GreenAge Trolls!!!

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#1

jihun-nish

Nov 01, 2003 0:29:41
Some of you may have read this question in a post lately but I didn't recive any reply so I have created it's own thread;

Has anywone read anything concerning the troll race( what they look like? Their way of life ??(before they were whipe out of course) Where they use to live ( altough I suspect they made a last stand at Troll Grave Chasm where I think there main city stood) I dont recal ever reading anything about Trolls!

Ho! And concerning Troll Grave Chasm; You will notice inside the said chasm there's a yellow dot ( on the map; 2nd box set) A yellow dot = site of interest but I have not found anything related to it. Can you help me there!! Jon??

Again please stick to the thread bla bla bla...
#2

jon_oracle_of_athas

Nov 01, 2003 6:28:01
I have yet to read it, but from what I have heard, the Dungeon Magazine adventure "Grave Circumstances" involves tracking an elf defiler to Troll Grave Chasm - and an encounter with the last athasian troll. This is merely my guessing, but that yellow dot could mark the lair of the last troll.
#3

jihun-nish

Nov 01, 2003 9:39:25
Originally posted by Jon, Oracle of Athas
I have yet to read it, but from what I have heard, the Dungeon Magazine adventure "Grave Circumstances" involves tracking an elf defiler to Troll Grave Chasm - and an encounter with the last athasian troll. This is merely my guessing, but that yellow dot could mark the lair of the last troll.

Ok thanks But tell me. If an adventure appears in a Dungeon/dragon mag. does it considered automaticly official like in this case. Will the *last Troll* be an official one(appearance habit way of living etc.?) of the DS setting ( if its a DS adventure of course.)
#4

jon_oracle_of_athas

Nov 02, 2003 14:01:31
The previously released Dungeon adventures and Dragon articles are considered official. Any contradictions or inconsistencies in such adventures and articles are overruled by other DS products.
#5

zombiegleemax

Nov 05, 2003 10:48:39
The Last Troll ain't yer standard D&D troll, though...

It's a patchwork beastie, with a few extra limbs, a couple extra mouths...

You get the idea.

It's baaaaaaaad mojo.
#6

zombiegleemax

Nov 05, 2003 11:48:23
If you consider the incredibly poor novel Rise and Fall of a Dragon King canonical (which I don't, considering that Lynne Abbey butchers the Dark Sun history in that awful, mind-numbing book), Athasian trolls are tall, dark-skinned miners that worshipped stone and earth.

--God that novel sucked NB
#7

Pennarin

Nov 05, 2003 15:40:13
I read that issue of Dungeon, great adventure, great artwork, incredible front piece, best troll ever, just not DS troll material. Then I later read RaFoaDK and understood why: the standard D&D troll is a monster while Abbey's is a proud humanoid, but mostly proud looking humanoid. Grey skinned, tight muscles, seven foot tall, stone worshiping, non-violent. And they are real characters too: turned violent by the persecution of Myron's armies, becoming warriors that no humans could ever have hoped to have bested. It took a champion to succeed.
All in all, a far more interesting troll than what D&D can give us.

As for me, I sleep with RaFoaDK under my pillow...
#8

zombiegleemax

Nov 05, 2003 15:50:00
Originally posted by Pennarin
As for me, I sleep with RaFoaDK under my pillow...

Heathen.

--;) NB
#9

jihun-nish

Nov 05, 2003 16:42:09
Originally posted by Pennarin
I read that issue of Dungeon, great adventure, great artwork, incredible front piece, best troll ever, just not DS troll material. Then I later read RaFoaDK and understood why: the standard D&D troll is a monster while Abbey's is a proud humanoid, but mostly proud looking humanoid. Grey skinned, tight muscles, seven foot tall, stone worshiping, non-violent. And they are real characters too: turned violent by the persecution of Myron's armies, becoming warriors that no humans could ever have hoped to have bested. It took a champion to succeed.
All in all, a far more interesting troll than what D&D can give us.

As for me, I sleep with RaFoaDK under my pillow...

It seems to me your describing a warcraft (trade mark) Troll .
#10

jihun-nish

Nov 05, 2003 16:43:36
Originally posted by Nero's Boot
If you consider the incredibly poor novel Rise and Fall of a Dragon King canonical (which I don't, considering that Lynne Abbey butchers the Dark Sun history in that awful, mind-numbing book), Athasian trolls are tall, dark-skinned miners that worshipped stone and earth.

--God that novel sucked NB

Oh! ok thanks NB
#11

zombiegleemax

Nov 05, 2003 17:02:44
Originally posted by Jihun-Nish
It seems to me your describing a warcraft (trade mark) Troll .

Nothin' wrong with that (although the WC trolls were always fairly warlike, if I recall correctly)- I personally prefer the way Warcraft fleshed out some of the traditionally "monster" races...
#12

jihun-nish

Nov 06, 2003 0:58:45
Originally posted by Jon, Oracle of Athas
I have yet to read it, but from what I have heard, the Dungeon Magazine adventure "Grave Circumstances" involves tracking an elf defiler to Troll Grave Chasm - and an encounter with the last athasian troll. This is merely my guessing, but that yellow dot could mark the lair of the last troll.

How can there still be adventures in official D&D mag if WotC has put the setting aside??
#13

jon_oracle_of_athas

Nov 06, 2003 2:40:12
Because they were released before or shortly after the setting was discontinued. ;)
#14

zombiegleemax

Nov 06, 2003 7:35:39
Actually, "Grave Circumstances is pretty old- I think the setting was still officially alive at that point...
#15

zombiegleemax

Nov 06, 2003 7:39:16
I don't care what Athasian trolls are like...

...so long as they are not like the ones depicted in that God-awful novel.

--must rinse eyes with soap, after merely thinking about RaFoaDK NB
#16

gforce99

Nov 07, 2003 9:32:57
OT: as long as you ignore the ending of RaFoaDK then its a pretty good novel.
#17

Pennarin

Nov 07, 2003 18:29:27
Hihi...no, seriously, fun aside, I really did happen to like the end of that novel.
It wasen't epic, for once. And in a world devoid of an afterlife, Abbey managed pretty well to give Hamanu a final gift (after having been told his city was safe, of course): some rest and peace.
God, I'm making myself cry...

...too much...tugging at internet line/
#18

zombiegleemax

Dec 31, 2003 10:12:10
Safe to say there are definetely NO MORE trolls on Athas Right?
#19

nytcrawlr

Dec 31, 2003 10:22:40
I personally liked RaFoaDK. The ending was so so.

I wouldn't mind writing up what a Troll was like back in the Green Age and getting it official so we can then tweak it from there and have that be the current version of the troll and totally rewrite Grave Circumstances, or just redefine the Troll Grave Chasm area.
#20

nytcrawlr

Dec 31, 2003 10:24:28
Originally posted by Gr8Scott
Safe to say there are definetely NO MORE trolls on Athas Right?

Depends on how you want to define that.

Not counting the patchwork Troll in "Grave Circumstances", there is at least one undead Troll Kaisharga in the Deadlands.
#21

Grummore

Dec 31, 2003 11:59:54
Grace circumstance ??? Where was that, a dragon mag?
#22

Grummore

Dec 31, 2003 12:02:24
Grace circumstances ??? Where was that, a dragon mag?
#23

Grummore

Dec 31, 2003 12:04:22
Grave circumstances ?? What's that? In Dragon mag ?
#24

heretic_apostate

Dec 31, 2003 23:35:54
Originally posted by Grummore
Grave circumstances ?? What's that? In Dragon mag ?

Dungeon.

In a swamp, there's a troll(s). One troll, but it grabbed body parts from its dying companions to fuse onto itself.

So, it has a certain number of heads, arms, and legs. (Sold my Dungeon collection, dang it...)
#25

nytcrawlr

Jan 02, 2004 12:41:34
Grave Circumstances was in Dungeon #56.
#26

dawnstealer

Jan 02, 2004 13:30:40
I actually had a similar adventure that I ran. I used the Fensir (planescape trolls from Ysgard). I had to switch a few things around to make them mesh more with Abbey's version (which I like, by the way, flames or no - may not be the most accurate DS book ever, but COME ON: WAAAAAAAAYYYY better than than steaming pile of whale vomit known as Tribe of One).

Things I changed:

Sunlight does not turn them to stone (duh).
Tougher AC.
Psionic abilities (duh).

Other than that, they are surprisingly similar to Lynn's description.
#27

nytcrawlr

Jan 02, 2004 14:01:25
Originally posted by Dawnstealer
I actually had a similar adventure that I ran. I used the Fensir (planescape trolls from Ysgard). I had to switch a few things around to make them mesh more with Abbey's version (which I like, by the way, flames or no - may not be the most accurate DS book ever, but COME ON: WAAAAAAAAYYYY better than than steaming pile of whale vomit known as Tribe of One).

Blasphemy, I liked Tribe of One despite the many contradictions.

Things I changed:

Sunlight does not turn them to stone (duh).
Tougher AC.
Psionic abilities (duh).

Other than that, they are surprisingly similar to Lynn's description.

Hmm, the PL version sounds more and more like Tolkien's version, and I was imagining the same thing for Athas, except that sunlight doesn't turn them to stone, they are smarter, and have psionics of course.

Needless to say, I will have to take a look at the Fensir one of these days.
#28

dawnstealer

Jan 02, 2004 14:04:04
Wiz 'O the Coast actually has 3e stats for these guys in the new Fiend Folio. Oh, while on the topic, the Draconomicon has the Athasian Drakes, but they are not listed as such: just plain drakes.
#29

nytcrawlr

Jan 02, 2004 14:10:01
Originally posted by Dawnstealer
Wiz 'O the Coast actually has 3e stats for these guys in the new Fiend Folio. Oh, while on the topic, the Draconomicon has the Athasian Drakes, but they are not listed as such: just plain drakes.

Hmmm, thanks.

Will take a look at the Draconomicon while at work and Fiend Folio when I get home.
#30

zombiegleemax

Jan 02, 2004 16:20:50
Originally posted by GFORCE99
OT: as long as you ignore the ending of RaFoaDK then its a pretty good novel.

I, personally, agree. If fact I wished more novels were done that dealt with the origins of the Sorcerer-Kings. Borys and Abalach-Re being the one's I'm most curious about.

Sielba's may require a parental warning though- :D
#31

Kamelion

Jan 07, 2004 14:31:05
Oh, while on the topic, the Draconomicon has the Athasian Drakes, but they are not listed as such: just plain drakes.

They're kinda puny compared to athasian elemental drakes, but would make good opponents for lower-level groups as lesser relatives of the regular athasian drakes, perhaps...
#32

dawnstealer

Jan 07, 2004 14:39:02
My thoughts exactly.
#33

zombiegleemax

Jan 07, 2004 16:05:53
I have a copy if anyone wants it

[email]GR8scottimsol8@aol.com[/email]
#34

zombiegleemax

Jan 07, 2004 16:05:58
I have a copy if anyone wants it

[email]GR8scottimsol8@aol.com[/email]
#35

zombiegleemax

Jan 07, 2004 16:09:15
Originally posted by Heretic Apostate
Dungeon.

In a swamp, there's a troll(s). One troll, but it grabbed body parts from its dying companions to fuse onto itself.

So, it has a certain number of heads, arms, and legs. (Sold my Dungeon collection, dang it...)

I have a copy if anyone wants it

[email]GR8scottimsol8@aol.com[/email]
#36

zombiegleemax

Jan 08, 2004 10:01:48
Originally posted by Grummore
Grave circumstances ?? What's that? In Dragon mag ?

Sebastien, I have it saved if you want a copy
#37

zombiegleemax

Jan 08, 2004 10:06:13
could i gank a copy too...
please:D
#38

zombiegleemax

Jan 08, 2004 10:16:35
Anytime, I have everything on Disc and hard drive just let me know
#39

Grummore

Jan 08, 2004 11:34:25
Sure, throw everything you wish in my mailbox Even virus! I am virtually indestructible (Am a Mac user)
#40

jihun-nish

Jan 08, 2004 20:40:36
Originally posted by Grummore
Sure, throw everything you wish in my mailbox Even virus! I am virtually indestructible (Am a Mac user)

Ho! boy! no comment
#41

nytcrawlr

Jan 08, 2004 20:42:58
Originally posted by Jihun-Nish
Ho! boy! no comment

Macs are better than PCs by far, and I am a PC user and know this. ;)
#42

zombiegleemax

Jan 10, 2004 5:46:18
I like my PC because I love a good challenge, and there's no greater challenge in life than to get Windows to do even 10% of what you want it to do.

Anyhow, just as an FYI, the adventure Grave Circumstances was put out to coincide with and promote the second DS box set release.
#43

zombiegleemax

Jan 12, 2004 14:03:39
To all of you requesting my copies of Grave Circumstances. I will be sending them today and throughout the week. I apologize for the Delay. I am Active duty Air Force and can't always give the time to my Passion for Dark Sun living

Scott

[email]Gr8scottImsol8@aol.com[/email]
#44

zombiegleemax

Jan 15, 2004 7:13:34
Did everyone that requested a copy get it?
#45

Grummore

Jan 15, 2004 8:37:07
I recieved the package, thanks!

Dont forget to download more about your work in the silly frog mailbox! :D
#46

zombiegleemax

Jan 15, 2004 11:41:36
Originally posted by Grummore
I recieved the package, thanks!

Dont forget to download more about your work in the silly frog mailbox! :D

Sebastien, I'm still trying to finish my work, I also am going to set up my own web site. I want all to utilize my work
#47

Grummore

Jan 15, 2004 19:21:35
Anyway Gr8man, you wont escape the claws of the silly frog. You will be added to the hugest darksun links page. MUHAHAHAHAHAHA