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Origin of Mystaran Immortals?

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#1
zombiegleemax
Nov 22, 2003 12:24:11 I own exactly one OD&D book (the Rules Cyclopedia), and no 2e Msyatara/Red Steel/Karameikos material, so could a more veteran Mystara fanatic tell me if it's ever been described where the earliest Immortals come from?

We know that only Immortals can grant Immortality. However, all Immortals were once mortal. This means that, at one point, something of greater than Immortal power had to get the ball rolling.

--also, is there a Creation Myth for Mystara? NB
#2
stanles
Nov 23, 2003 13:29:16
Originally posted by Nero's Boot
[b]I own exactly one OD&D book (the Rules Cyclopedia), and no 2e Msyatara/Red Steel/Karameikos material, so could a more veteran Mystara fanatic tell me if it's ever been described where the earliest Immortals come from?

We know that only Immortals can grant Immortality. However, all Immortals were once mortal. This means that, at one point, something of greater than Immortal power had to get the ball rolling.[/b/

that's still all a great deal of mystery to that one that hasn't really been gone into it there.

mortals can also gain immortality through the Radiance, and that one has already happened twice.

--also, is there a Creation Myth for Mystara? NB

not as such I don't think
#3
azzy
Dec 01, 2003 23:03:19
Originally posted by stanles
that's still all a great deal of mystery to that one that hasn't really been gone into it there.

mortals can also gain immortality through the Radiance, and that one has already happened twice.

Twice? The only one that comes to mind is Rad. Benekander and Rafiel came into immortality by pre-Radience accidents.

Also, there's reference (in the old Immortals boxed set and Wrath of the Immortals) to an older group of beings, the "Old Ones," that is the speculation of the oldest of the immortals. The Old Ones are perhaps to the immortals what the immortals are to mortals.

Also, the immortals believe that there was an earlier group of immortals the disappeared. Whether or nor these early immortals were destroyed or became the Old Ones or met some other fate.

So, there's a lot of speculation and no concrete proof.
#4
stanles
Dec 02, 2003 0:07:46
Originally posted by Azzy
Twice? The only one that comes to mind is Rad. Benekander and Rafiel came into immortality by pre-Radience accidents.

oh yeah, I'd forgotten about Benekander, I was thinking of Rad and Rafiel. And you're right that the way they came to immortality wasn't exactly through the Radiance but it's all messed up in there somehow. And anyway it all just adds further evidence to mortals gaining immortality without the aid of other immortals.

Also, there's reference (in the old Immortals boxed set and Wrath of the Immortals) to an older group of beings, the "Old Ones," that is the speculation of the oldest of the immortals. The Old Ones are perhaps to the immortals what the immortals are to mortals.

Also, the immortals believe that there was an earlier group of immortals the disappeared. Whether or nor these early immortals were destroyed or became the Old Ones or met some other fate.

So, there's a lot of speculation and no concrete proof.

yeah there's lots of conjecture about Old Ones, but I didn't want to bring them up in case somebody suggested, well maybe they're just the gods of the scenario instead, which I strongly doubt that they were ever supposed to be. As you suggest they're probably just the next stage along after immortals.
#5
zombiegleemax
Dec 11, 2003 9:41:06 There are lots of places on the Internet, but the Codex of the Immortals from the Wrath of the Immortals boxed set is the best source IMHO.
-Keene
#6
azzy
Dec 12, 2003 10:54:45 I'd have to agree about WotI, that's probably the best source for all things immortal (and what I had just read a couple of days before wandering to the Mystara boards).

Though it does contradict earlier info in some places (Tarastia's origin--see Dawn of the Emperors).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Nov 22, 2003 12:24:11	I own exactly one OD&D book (the Rules Cyclopedia), and no 2e Msyatara/Red Steel/Karameikos material, so could a more veteran Mystara fanatic tell me if it's ever been described where the earliest Immortals come from? We know that only Immortals can grant Immortality. However, all Immortals were once mortal. This means that, at one point, something of greater than Immortal power had to get the ball rolling. --also, is there a Creation Myth for Mystara? NB
#2 stanles Nov 23, 2003 13:29:16	Originally posted by Nero's Boot [b]I own exactly one OD&D book (the Rules Cyclopedia), and no 2e Msyatara/Red Steel/Karameikos material, so could a more veteran Mystara fanatic tell me if it's ever been described where the earliest Immortals come from? We know that only Immortals can grant Immortality. However, all Immortals were once mortal. This means that, at one point, something of greater than Immortal power had to get the ball rolling.[/b/ that's still all a great deal of mystery to that one that hasn't really been gone into it there. mortals can also gain immortality through the Radiance, and that one has already happened twice. --also, is there a Creation Myth for Mystara? NB not as such I don't think
#3 azzy Dec 01, 2003 23:03:19	Originally posted by stanles that's still all a great deal of mystery to that one that hasn't really been gone into it there. mortals can also gain immortality through the Radiance, and that one has already happened twice. Twice? The only one that comes to mind is Rad. Benekander and Rafiel came into immortality by pre-Radience accidents. Also, there's reference (in the old Immortals boxed set and Wrath of the Immortals) to an older group of beings, the "Old Ones," that is the speculation of the oldest of the immortals. The Old Ones are perhaps to the immortals what the immortals are to mortals. Also, the immortals believe that there was an earlier group of immortals the disappeared. Whether or nor these early immortals were destroyed or became the Old Ones or met some other fate. So, there's a lot of speculation and no concrete proof.
#4 stanles Dec 02, 2003 0:07:46	Originally posted by Azzy Twice? The only one that comes to mind is Rad. Benekander and Rafiel came into immortality by pre-Radience accidents. oh yeah, I'd forgotten about Benekander, I was thinking of Rad and Rafiel. And you're right that the way they came to immortality wasn't exactly through the Radiance but it's all messed up in there somehow. And anyway it all just adds further evidence to mortals gaining immortality without the aid of other immortals. Also, there's reference (in the old Immortals boxed set and Wrath of the Immortals) to an older group of beings, the "Old Ones," that is the speculation of the oldest of the immortals. The Old Ones are perhaps to the immortals what the immortals are to mortals. Also, the immortals believe that there was an earlier group of immortals the disappeared. Whether or nor these early immortals were destroyed or became the Old Ones or met some other fate. So, there's a lot of speculation and no concrete proof. yeah there's lots of conjecture about Old Ones, but I didn't want to bring them up in case somebody suggested, well maybe they're just the gods of the scenario instead, which I strongly doubt that they were ever supposed to be. As you suggest they're probably just the next stage along after immortals.
#5 zombiegleemax Dec 11, 2003 9:41:06	There are lots of places on the Internet, but the Codex of the Immortals from the Wrath of the Immortals boxed set is the best source IMHO. -Keene
#6 azzy Dec 12, 2003 10:54:45	I'd have to agree about WotI, that's probably the best source for all things immortal (and what I had just read a couple of days before wandering to the Mystara boards). Though it does contradict earlier info in some places (Tarastia's origin--see Dawn of the Emperors).