I know I do! Just imagine. A box set to buy filled with high quality ravenloft maps. DROOL
Lets get em to publish one I know I would fork out for it!
Just imagine. A box set to buy filled with high quality ravenloft maps.
Hmmm, depending on how they do it I think that would be great. Detailed maps of the major castles and towns maybe even some of the important stores and buildings mapped out as well. And for the big world map they could do a cloth map similar to what came with the Ultima computer games. Now THAT would be cool to roll out during a game session.
SIGH! that would be sooo sweet
My old ravenloft box set maps have taken a pounding!
Originally posted by Keen_Man
heh I have every single ultima cloath map and I was actualy thinking the exact same thing..
SIGH! that would be sooo sweet
My old ravenloft box set maps have taken a pounding!
Great idea and it would definitely beat using the corny map they have in the book cover.
~B4Real
:sad:
So the core can be as big or small as you want.
http://www.geocities.com/montemal666/faq.htm
Think it mentions the size in there somewhere...
I remember taking some measurements for our game Involution. I believe it was from the scale of the Mordent Cartographical Society maps (all very well done if you never checked them out).
It's about 13 leagues (app. 40 miles) from Viaki, Darkon to the City of the Dead in Keening. Going by that scale, the inside cover map for that distance is 2 inches. So the scale of that map would be about 20 miles to an inch.
By that scale the core is about 140 miles wide, 150 miles long. Although it looks deceiving, in the Eastern part of Darkon the mists stretch south, so it is also 150 miles from the mist border to the hook of Nova Vassa, although visually it looks like it's longer.
England is about 360 miles long, give or take, and 300 miles wide.
Interestingly enough, the Island Domain of Vorostokov is something like 600 or 650 miles across. I always found it odd that a frozen wasteland in the middle of no where was so much bigger then the political hub of the Demi-plane. lol
Onto maps and a map product. I too would love to see maps, and detailed regional information. It was first suggested to the duo on the Kargatane boards and they seemed excited.
The next time I heard something they announced they were going to pitch the idea at one of the conventions to the publisher.
If I remeber correctly they didn't get the chance or something to that effect.
However, I read a disappointing post on the S&S boards recently by the duo stating that their research showed fans were not that interested in such a product. I find this interesting and wonder where they got their demographic info from, because everyone in the internet community seemed overtly enthusiastic about such a product (myself included). It must be the same think tank that brought us power checks for everything and the new magic rules.
I'm at a loss for understanding this but what can ya do.
And
Players dont want maps? are they nuts? what gae master does not want a good map???? how about Players maps? les detaild ones that its ok to hand to players? who would not want that?
Crazy man crazy
"I also have to agree that there needs to be some better
editing/mapping...
... And if the maps must be little more than blown up sections of the core, can we at least have all of them labeled?"
The Duo responded:
"We're sorry about the sporadic map deficiency in the
Gazetteers. Sometimes we get maps from our authors and
sometimes we have to use the ones in the text. We've found that most people would prefer to customize their own maps
or leave things vague on paper so that they don't map
themselves and their campaigns into a corner...literally."
Ok so maybe I misinturpreted, now that I re-read it, but this statement says to me that we the fans don't want detailed maps.
Has anyone ever seen the FR atlas? Or the Waterdeep supplement?
Would Ravenloft fans really be disappointed in a product that gave half as much visual detail and showed landmarks? Or a list of business' and establishments? Political make-up, lists and mini bios of all the secret societies and such in an area?
ehhhhh? so we the fans are daft I guess huh?
weeeeeird
WE WANT MAPS WE WANT MAPS!
-pounds the table and stamps his feet
:hoppingma
where do they get this info? Originally posted by Keen_Man
"Ok so maybe I misinturpreted, now that I re-read it, but this statement says to me that we the fans don't want detailed maps."
ehhhhh? so we the fans are daft I guess huh?
weeeeeird
WE WANT MAPS WE WANT MAPS!
-pounds the table and stamps his feet
:hoppingma
Did the complete boxed sets really do that bad(as far as with sales) or are the gaming companies just getting greedier?
~B4Real
If they add a perviously unmentioned city right where someone has their own villiage or where a DM's campaign said there was only farmland people get upset.
Some people stick pretty close to the canon.
But I don't think they meant they'd never make a better map product featuring all existing places or were against an atlas.
My own Core measurements put the current maps at slitghtly less than 30 miles per inch, but I round up and went by a rough guideline.
So for personal reference I'd split the difference and make it 25. Doesn't hurt ta have some extra room.
But for an example of the flexibility of scale look at Farelle, almost unseen since the Black Box which was something like 4 x 6 miles tops. Then when it Clustered to form the Frozen Reaches it was either HUGE or its mate shrunk!
Originally posted by The_Jester
But for an example of the flexibility of scale look at Farelle, almost unseen since the Black Box which was something like 4 x 6 miles tops. Then when it Clustered to form the Frozen Reaches it was either HUGE or its mate shrunk!
Surely, you mean Sanguinia, not Farelle?
Vorostokov was bigger then the entire core, now it joined to make the Frozen Reaches and is the same size, yet on all maps distances between 2E and 3E cities are relative.
I don't think it really matters, Vorostokov is a frozen wasteland anyway. I'm sure maps of the region are sketchy at best. No one is going to die of exposure to stand out there and debate it. So either the core is 4x the size i think it is, or Vorostokov is alot smaller then listed in the 2E mod.
I think the official stance is: "Ravenloft is as big as it should be."
IMC the Core is five times as big.
Originally posted by ManinDarkness
I think the official stance is: "Ravenloft is as big as it should be."
Could you point out where that is listed as the offical stance? I'd like to read about it.
Originally posted by The_Jester
But for an example of the flexibility of scale look at Farelle, almost unseen since the Black Box which was something like 4 x 6 miles tops. Then when it Clustered to form the Frozen Reaches it was either HUGE or its mate shrunk!
A) You mean Sanguinia and B) This oddity is easily explained by the cartographer copying the 2nd Ed. maps and slapping them together without looking at the scale or reading the text descriptions.
Chris Nichols
This may be a rash promise, btw. I have a lot on my plate at the moment.. (Damn looking for new job crap..)
[Edit] Just seen The Mordent Cartographic Society's site, which really have some nice stuff on it ( www.gryphonhill.com ) and it's probably far better than I could claw together, so..
Originally posted by daffy72
Could you point out where that is listed as the offical stance? I'd like to read about it.
It's not listed anyw¿here, but the given that there are no scale on the maps, JWM saying there is no "official" scale in the new edition, and the emphasis that the Land of Mist is everchanging and unpredicatable, make me think so.
