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#1 caul Nov 29, 2003 10:44:19	Well, I've waited and waited, and athas.org has finally put out their version of DS, thankfully compliant with 3.5, and though it is quite good, I still have a bit of tweaking to do to get it to work just right...however, I don't see any kind of monster update. Perhaps I am missing something. Saw the TotDL, but I never used undead that much. Where are the generic every day terrors of the desert?
#2 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Nov 29, 2003 10:55:37	As was stated in other posts (dozens, at least), the monsters update is being worked on. IIRC, Gab's now in charge of the project for the monsters, but I could be mistaken. I believe Kameleon is also working on the monsters, due to the influx of information he's been passing to the community for our input. Patience is and always will be a virtue. Something to keep in mind about the development process for DS3 is the lack of playtesting staff and that there isn't 100's of payed employees working on the project. People have to do it when they have time, and to keep some semblance of continuity to the project, they have restricted how many hands can be in the project directly. They do take input from the community, and toss around ideas from us, but it does take a substantial amount of time to get it all worked on. Personally, I don't see why you need to tweak the DS3 core document for your own games, unless you are referring to the errata that's being worked on continuously by the athas.org team. Or maybe you are someone who doesn't percieve Dark Sun in the same way the athas.org team does, which is all fine and good, but IMHO is a god-aweful amount of extra work you are putting on yourself.
#3 caul Nov 29, 2003 10:57:20	Thanks. I guess I should have browsed the board first. Silly me... Well, at least now I can start working on my campaign again...
#4 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Nov 29, 2003 11:07:49	I'm sorry, just bit miffed about the same/similar questions being posted frequently, and it takes less time, IMHO to read the messages on the forums than to post a three-or-four sentence question for most people. And having to read repetitious responses to the repetitious questions does get very old.
#5 Kamelion Nov 29, 2003 13:14:09	The 3.5 monster document is still being finalised but there is a basic monster doc available. It's 3.0 but should cover your basic needs. I think the link still works. It's here: http://www.athas.org/releases/ds3/monsters.20030331.pdf The Terrors of the Deadlands, by the way, has an appendix listing athasian vermin, including old favourites like the cilops and some of the golems. Not just undead. MM2 also has conversions of quite a few DS monsters (cloud ray, nightmare beast, megapede etc etc). There's another thread about this. Also, the Tome of Horrors contains the conversion of the giant space hamster, in case you were wondering where it is
#6 zombiegleemax Nov 29, 2003 17:55:06	I still have a bit of tweaking to do to get it to work just right If you feel there are flaws in the DS rules doc, by all means, share them. We'd all be interested in seeing what problems you've come across in your playtesting.
#7 gab Nov 29, 2003 21:51:05	Yes, I am the coordinator/editor for Terrors of Athas. Kamelion is the main monster man, though; he's done (and still doing) a huge amount of work on the document.
#8 jihun-nish Feb 05, 2004 19:22:39	Originally posted by Gab Yes, I am the coordinator/editor for Terrors of Athas. Kamelion is the main monster man, though; he's done (and still doing) a huge amount of work on the document. I thought Nytcrawlr was the monster guy cause he sure seem to have digged his claws into the project lately. Anyway, in my book, the more you are, the quicker it'll come out to us!! I'll profit in the moment to ask you(monster guys) if you have thought of converting the creatures in the accessory book WRotJC?? Specificaly: the guardians and the mounts. If not. Well. Its not to late
#9 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Feb 05, 2004 19:28:59	Nyt was involved, but last I checked, he retired from it.
#10 nytcrawlr Feb 05, 2004 22:30:51	Originally posted by xlorepdarkhelm [b]As was stated in other posts (dozens, at least), the monsters update is being worked on. IIRC, Gab's now in charge of the project for the monsters, but I could be mistaken. I believe Kameleon is also working on the monsters, due to the influx of information he's been passing to the community for our input. Patience is and always will be a virtue. *cough* Don't forget me. :P Editing as we speak. ;) P.S. I am no longer retired, haven't been for a few months now.
#11 nytcrawlr Feb 05, 2004 22:37:00	Originally posted by Jihun-Nish I thought Nytcrawlr was the monster guy cause he sure seem to have digged his claws into the project lately. Kam and I both are. Gab's just smoking something again me thinks, heh. I'll profit in the moment to ask you(monster guys) if you have thought of converting the creatures in the accessory book WRotJC?? Specificaly: the guardians and the mounts. The short answer is yes. The long answer is that maybe one or two monsters have escaped us in the process. We're talking most of the monsters from the Polyhedron mags, all from Dragon and Dungeon, MC1, MCII, adventures, accessories, you name it. Rest assured, we are getting there.
#12 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Feb 05, 2004 23:07:45	Originally posted by NytCrawlr *cough* Don't forget me. :P Editing as we speak. ;) P.S. I am no longer retired, haven't been for a few months now. Well... umm.... I'm so glad I'm kept in the loop.
#13 nytcrawlr Feb 05, 2004 23:10:32	Originally posted by xlorepdarkhelm Well... umm.... I'm so glad I'm kept in the loop. This isn't the first time you have heard of it I'm sure. Flip needs to update my status on athas.org anyways.
#14 Kamelion Feb 06, 2004 2:22:45	Nyt was involved, but last I checked, he retired from it. It's true that the inestimable N. Crawlr took a brief sabbatical a short while ago but he's back with the beasties and badder than ever ;) I'll profit in the moment to ask you(monster guys) if you have thought of converting the creatures in the accessory book WRotJC?? Specificaly: the guardians and the mounts. We haven't converted any of the lifeshaped items from the WRotJC. Bvanen and reggelid are both included (and statted out to play as characters) but we took a decision to leave the lifeshaped items out. They deserve separate treatment and are probably better off in a separate supplement (imho). We're currently pushing for final review so that we can get something released to the community so I doubt that the lifeshaped will be aded at this late stage. Thanks for asking though - they do need doing but my tendency is to get them all in one go (and include those from PAoA as well). Something like the graft rules, methinks... (wanders off to ruminate)
#15 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Feb 06, 2004 13:01:02	Originally posted by NytCrawlr This isn't the first time you have heard of it I'm sure. Flip needs to update my status on athas.org anyways. I just hadn't put two & two together.
#16 nytcrawlr Feb 06, 2004 14:53:26	Originally posted by xlorepdarkhelm I just hadn't put two & two together. No problem, it's all good.
#17 jihun-nish Feb 09, 2004 19:53:39	I was reading a PrC in Grummor's web site(nice work by the way) and I came to read the Slimahacc(mounted wurm on box set 2 cover) ---By the way, is it its real(canon) name-- and I was interessted in using the PrC. So my question is: has one of you considered to upgrade the Slimahacc monster stats to 3.5 in the up-coming ToA supplement.?? If not, well, with little work it should be done Its a great monster.
#18 nytcrawlr Feb 09, 2004 20:14:51	Originally posted by Jihun-Nish So my question is: has one of you considered to upgrade the Slimahacc monster stats to 3.5 in the up-coming ToA supplement.?? If not, well, with little work it should be done Its a great monster. It will be in ToA, yes.
#19 Pennarin Feb 10, 2004 0:59:23	Is someone interested in hosting on their site a new undead I designed? I'll send a .doc copy to anyone who is interested in reviewing it.
#20 Kamelion Feb 10, 2004 2:08:20	So my question is: has one of you considered to upgrade the Slimahacc monster stats to 3.5 in the up-coming ToA supplement.?? If not, well, with little work it should be done Its a great monster. It's a sweet beastie - enjoyed converting that one Like Nyt says - you'll find him in ToA. The slimahacc has also been added to the list of available druid animal companions so now you too can maraud about the Tablelands dispensing swift druidy justice from the back of your giant killer desert worm. Which is nice.
#21 nytcrawlr Feb 10, 2004 3:06:55	Originally posted by Pennarin Is someone interested in hosting on their site a new undead I designed? I'll send a .doc copy to anyone who is interested in reviewing it. You know I am gay er game, send away. :D
#22 Grummore Feb 10, 2004 11:09:58	Originally posted by NytCrawlr You know I am gay er game, send away. :D Always late with these posts...! BUT you still can send it and I will put it on my web site.
#23 Kamelion Feb 10, 2004 12:35:17	Well, I can't offer a website hosting but if you want a critical eye cast over your undead, feel free to drop me a line as well
#24 Pennarin Feb 11, 2004 1:35:57	It was suggested to me I should make the undead a template instead of a monster, but its more akin to a Krag than a T'liz, for instance: the base creature does not keep its spellcasting capabilities and comes from the ranks of a single class. I'm not sure what to do, convert or not? What is your opinion everyone: not all undeads from the MM3.5 are templates (wraiths for instance) and TotDL v3.0 puts the Krag in the monster list instead of the template list. I have checked the v3.5 Huecuva template (MMII) and it keeps its divine spellcasting and feats, while mine loses both, so there shouldn't be enough variation left to warrant a template, would there? I'm sending by email the monster to Kamelion and Grummore for their critical eye ;) and Nyt already has it.
#25 Kamelion Feb 11, 2004 2:37:00	I'm sending by email the monster to Kamelion and Grummore for their critical eye Cool - I'll keep an eye open. Umm, if you send it and don't hear anything from me after a day, please PM me. My email has gone a bit mad over the last few days and I'm not 100% trusting it yet. (I'm ditching my dialup and getting DSL, today, with any luck!)
#26 nytcrawlr Feb 11, 2004 15:07:16	Originally posted by Pennarin It was suggested to me I should make the undead a template instead of a monster, but its more akin to a Krag than a T'liz, for instance: the base creature does not keep its spellcasting capabilities and comes from the ranks of a single class. I'm not sure what to do, convert or not? What is your opinion everyone: not all undeads from the MM3.5 are templates (wraiths for instance) and TotDL v3.0 puts the Krag in the monster list instead of the template list. I have checked the v3.5 Huecuva template (MMII) and it keeps its divine spellcasting and feats, while mine loses both, so there shouldn't be enough variation left to warrant a template, would there? Forgot about most of those examples. I would either make it a template and kill any earlier spellcasting and metamagic feats or just leave it like you originally sent to me. However, I think all undead should be templates, including the wraith, whether official agrees with me or not, heh.
#27 dawnstealer Feb 11, 2004 15:27:49	Huh. Just realized I don't have a critter-list for ToA. Could someone post that or email it on to me so that I'm not wasting pics on monsters that won't be used?
#28 nytcrawlr Feb 11, 2004 15:35:47	Originally posted by Dawnstealer Huh. Just realized I don't have a critter-list for ToA. Could someone post that or email it on to me so that I'm not wasting pics on monsters that won't be used? Bouncing the table of contents your way.
#29 Kamelion Feb 11, 2004 15:55:23	Bouncing the table of contents your way. Heh heh heh. Wallop...;)
#30 nytcrawlr Feb 11, 2004 16:21:25	Originally posted by Kamelion Heh heh heh. Wallop...;) ?
#31 Kamelion Feb 11, 2004 16:32:20	That's quite the list that's going to hit Dawnstealer's inbox. ("Wallop" is British for, erm "thud", in this case...:D )
#32 nytcrawlr Feb 11, 2004 16:59:24	Originally posted by Kamelion That's quite the list that's going to hit Dawnstealer's inbox. ("Wallop" is British for, erm "thud", in this case...:D ) Ah, I sent it in doc format, heh.