Can Kender be Sorcerer's?

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#1

zombiegleemax

Jan 03, 2004 0:28:02
This may have been asked before, not sure, I couldn't find anything. I do not as of yet have the 3rd Edition DL Campaign setting book, though I hope to soon. I'm just curious if a Kender could become a sorc, and actually advance in the class? Anything official on this, anyone have any thoughts?
#2

The_White_Sorcerer

Jan 03, 2004 0:33:11
Unless otherwise noted, any race can belong to any class and advance in it. There is nothing saying that a kender couldn't become a sorcerer. Thus, kender can be sorcerers.
#3

zombiegleemax

Jan 03, 2004 0:35:36
Some people I know have raised questions with a Kender's ability to gain levels in that class, what with their flighty natures and such. Though, being a sorcerer isn't like being a wizard, and I didn't really see a problem with it. Just wanted to hear what others here thought on the matter. Thanks for the quick reply.

EDIT: Though, one of them did give me a quote, stating that Kender normally lack the ability to summon the focused concentration needed to go beyond basic Sorcery... Any thoughts on that? If I can scrounge up the actual quote I shall.
#4

zombiegleemax

Jan 03, 2004 0:43:37
yeah, it is the wizard class that has questions as to whether or not kender can join....
#5

Dragonhelm

Jan 03, 2004 9:39:45
Kender can become sorcerers. They get a -4 to all Concentration checks, though, as they are not focused.
#6

darthsylver

Jan 03, 2004 14:33:01
Well one thing to remember is that in the current age there are two main types of kender.

Those that we know and love and of course the afflicted kender.

Now while the rules stat that any race can be any class there are some classes that would seem out of place for our fun-loving wanderlusting kender that would be right up the alley for the afflicted kender.

All kender can be sorcerors or even wizards should they wish.

Our fun-loving kender would probably lose interest in the wizard class over time and would have a hard time with the WoHS as a n organization. The sorceror on the other hand IMO is more of a natural occurance, but even this the fun-loving kender may eventualy get bored with. And as DH pointed out the fun-loving kender receives a -4 penalty to all concentration checks.

The afflicted kender on the other hand does not suffer from the historical drawbacks to wizardry that their fun-loving cousins have. Afflicted kender do not suffer the -4 penalty to concentration. They also understand fear in a way that their cousins do not. As such it is not that far-fetched to see an afflicted kender become a sorceror or even a serious and dedicated wizard, especially say an abjurer. It is even possible, although unlikely, that an afflicted kender could become an evil black robe intent on finding all the vulnerabilities inherent in the kender physiology (through necromantic experiments) and attempting to correct them or improve upon them in himself.

And let's face it, who would ever suspect a kender of being an evil mastermind necromancer?
#7

zombiegleemax

Jan 03, 2004 14:41:35
I think kenders would be excellent sorcerers. They like adventuring and they are mostly chaotic. I should definitely consider playing a kender sorcerer in our next game =)
#8

daedavias_dup

Jan 03, 2004 14:56:27
I have a question that is slightly off-topic.

Do afflicted kender still receive the -2 to wisdom as run-of-the-mill kender do? If so, can someone explain the reasoning?
#9

darthsylver

Jan 03, 2004 17:39:33
Yes they do.

Why, don't know.
#10

zombiegleemax

Jan 03, 2004 21:38:57
Why? Maybe because they're so paranoid.
#11

kipper_snifferdoo_02

Jan 04, 2004 8:26:49
Originally posted by Ave
I think kenders would be excellent sorcerers. They like adventuring and they are mostly chaotic. I should definitely consider playing a kender sorcerer in our next game =)

Yup, kender can be sorcerers, but as Trampas said they get that -4 on concentration checks. In my current game I have a kender NPC, Telbin Shadowchaser, that is a Rog/Sorc. His only major problem is that he tends to drop balls of acid on his feet alot. Darn acid splash spell.
#12

kipper_snifferdoo_02

Jan 04, 2004 8:56:20
Originally posted by Daedavias
Do afflicted kender still receive the -2 to wisdom as run-of-the-mill kender do? If so, can someone explain the reasoning?

Yes, they get the -2... why? I don't know. That is a great question. The reason for the -2 in the DLCS is because they don't take time to think things through. Well that is certainly not the case for afflicted kender. I think Jacen is probably on the right track. Maybe their paranoia keeps them from thinking clearly. Or maybe kender just plain aren't wise.
#13

daedavias_dup

Jan 04, 2004 13:21:12
Originally posted by Kipper Snifferdoo
Yes, they get the -2... why? I don't know. That is a great question. The reason for the -2 in the DLCS is because they don't take time to think things through. Well that is certainly not the case for afflicted kender. I think Jacen is probably on the right track. Maybe their paranoia keeps them from thinking clearly. Or maybe kender just plain aren't wise.

I suppose paranoia is an ok way to say why they maintain the -2 Wis, however, one can balance that out with afflicted kender having more common sense. One cannot argue that the loss of kender innocense has lead the afflicted to be be more sensible than their "true kender" cousins. Besides, I wouldn't call an afflicted kender paranoid, they are overly cautious :P
#14

zombiegleemax

Jan 04, 2004 15:21:45
we've played with both kender wizards and sorcerers on numerous occations and with great success.
Our first kender Sorcerer had this inherent gift of blowing stuff up, so he just used every excuse he could get to cast magic to see how different things reacted to it.
He managed to cast prestigidation on the dwarf, coloring his beard purple... THAT nearly got him decapitated! He also cast Light on himself once in order to appear "radiant and powerful" as I believe he said it. Caused him to attract every monster in the woods!

Our Kender Wizard was semi serious about his work as he really wanted to prove to the world that kender could be as powerful as other races..... that and the nagging urge to find out what the Wizards of High Sorcery kept in their secret towers!


If you build every kender after Tasselhoff, it'll quickly get boring IMO. Try to create your own unique Kender. Make him whatever class you want and find a great back story as to why that particular kender has chosen that path in life. It's the extraordinary kenders that are fun, not just the insane happy-go-lucky curious morons.

Our newest kender is - well, a rogue - but not just a rogue.... we maxd her stealth skills and combat abilities, gave her TWF and 2 bladed Gauntlets and a Foresters cloak. A camouflaged mix between Wolverine and the Tazmanian devil. We gave her the story that she came from Gobwatch where she uses her hatred towards goblins in guerilla like skirmish war against those goblins that venture too close to kender territory. She an invisible warrior... a ghost of the forest.... a Kender Gobhunter.....
By using acrobatics and stealth she spends near to every second turn hiding and every other turn sneak attacking. She's awesome.
Of course she has her problems with larger monsters, but her typical kender fearlessness makes her careless and she attacks an elder Earth elemental with the same passion and tactics as a group of three goblins..... but that's kender for ya!
#15

zombiegleemax

Jan 04, 2004 21:19:42
Originally posted by Daedavias
Besides, I wouldn't call an afflicted kender paranoid, they are overly cautious :P

You don't see afflicted kender as paranoid? They're *OBSSESSED* with protection. Everything they do is for the sake of protection. It's mad crazy, man!
#16

darthsylver

Jan 05, 2004 2:11:55
Yeah afflicted kender might be obsessed with caution or veven protection by why is that represented by a -2 to wis.

I thought the -2 to Wis rerpesented the kender child-like innocence and not knowing better than to walk into the lair of the dragon overlord.