Former Ravenloft DM now interested in Dragonlance.

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#1

b4real

Jan 07, 2004 9:59:05
I used to be a fan of the Ravenloft product line. After seeing the overall quality of the Ravenloft product line plummet with 3e(And also how the authors of the Ravenloft line think of their fans not to mention the pettiness of some of the fans.) I had decided to move on to a new campaign setting.

After taking a trip to the local Borders bookstore, sitting down and flipping through the Dragonlance campaign setting book, I must say that I was very impressed. It has been awhile since I have seen a campaign setting that was done so well.

My question is where do I start? What novels should I read to find out exactly where the timeline is and what the latest happening on Krynn are? Aside from having the Dragonlance campaign setting book what other accessories should I purchase?

~B4Real
#2

zombiegleemax

Jan 07, 2004 10:27:21
There are a lot of DL novels, but the 'core' books leading up to the present consists of the Chronicles trillogy, the Legends trillogy, the Second Generation, Dragons of Summer Flame, and the War of Souls Trillogy.
Here is a good reccomended reading list on dragonlance.com that goes into a bit more detail. As for gaming products there is the DLCS that was published by WotC, and for the rest of the line (which is being done by Soverign Press) check here. The Age of Mortals book and the Dm's screen are already out, and the Key of Destiny adventure should be out the begining of next month.
#3

b4real

Jan 07, 2004 10:33:29
Originally posted by Thrackerzog
There are a lot of DL novels, but the 'core' books leading up to the present consists of the Chronicles trillogy, the Legends trillogy, the Second Generation, Dragons of Summer Flame, and the War of Souls Trillogy.
Here is a good reccomended reading list on dragonlance.com that goes into a bit more detail. As for gaming products there is the DLCS that was published by WotC, and for the rest of the line (which is being done by Soverign Press) check here. The Age of Mortals book and the Dm's screen are already out, and the Key of Destiny adventure should be out the begining of next month.

Thanks alot!

That is another thing I love about Dragonlance there are tons of sources to pull info. from unlike the Ravenloft setting whose stuff is outdated.

~B4Real
#4

zombiegleemax

Jan 08, 2004 8:54:55
Originally posted by B4Real
unlike the Ravenloft setting whose stuff is outdated.

Outdated? You’re sadly mistaken. Since the resurrection of Ravenloft, the line has only flourished. While it’s true that certain people don’t have what it takes to hack it in the Land of Mists, many many others have found the Dread Realms to be amongst the best of those old TSR worlds. Whether you’re an intense role-player who focuses on character development or a brutal hack-n-slasher looking for that next meal, RL has something for everybody. Not to mention a cast of genuinely frightening, well-developed NPCs that have more character than most players!

And to say that RL materials are “outdated” is an uneducated statement. The current authors in the line have gone through great pains to research the settings history and preserve it for new and future generations of RL gamers. Much like Dragonlance, the history of RL and its characters are it’s biggest draw. And this history is not hard to uncover. Thousands and thousands of pages of text don’t have to be sorted through to get a grasp on current events. The RL Gazetteer series, Van Richten Guides and core rulebooks are amongst the best gaming products EVER: not just for RL.

Though some people may be under the misconception that RL is all doom and gloom, the fact remains RL could quite possibly be the most beautiful realm in all the multiverse. So while it’s kinda sad to see a fair-weather fan drop the setting like this, I just wanted to point out that your rationale is all wrong.

But to each his own; the opinions expressed in this post are my own and do not reflect the consensus of the entire RL community.

So I’m assuming you cashed in the big RL fansite you were running?
#5

b4real

Jan 08, 2004 10:56:40
Thrackerzog,

I cannot find the DM screen nor the Dragoneye expansion minis anywhere. Most stores I know of still have the Harbinger minis and the regular DM screen. Where might I find it.

~B4Real
#6

zombiegleemax

Jan 08, 2004 15:01:57
Originally posted by B4Real
Thrackerzog,

I cannot find the DM screen nor the Dragoneye expansion minis anywhere. Most stores I know of still have the Harbinger minis and the regular DM screen. Where might I find it.

~B4Real

Dragoneye miniature expansion is published by WotC so just give it a little more time. You can order the DL DM Screen from Margaret Weis's store: http://www.margaretweis.com/cgi-local/shop.pl/SID=1073546740.10649/page=product.html/product=9
#7

zombiegleemax

Jan 08, 2004 17:15:07
I used to be a fan of the Ravenloft product line. After seeing the overall quality of the Ravenloft product line plummet with 3e(And also how the authors of the Ravenloft line think of their fans not to mention the pettiness of some of the fans.) I had decided to move on to a new campaign setting.

Though some people may be under the misconception that RL is all doom and gloom, the fact remains RL could quite possibly be the most beautiful realm in all the multiverse. So while it’s kinda sad to see a fair-weather fan drop the setting like this, I just wanted to point out that your rationale is all wrong.

I'm mildly confused about both of these statements.

The quality of the RL stuff, so far as I have seen it, is at least as good as the DL stuff that's out. There's a missing index in both, but so far as I know, that's a White Wolf thing for the RL stuff. Flawed though the RL books are, the DL books are at least as flawed, although perhaps I only say that because I've been hanging around here long enough that everyone's pointed the flaws out already, and since I don't play RL any more (and that's because the DM left the game for personal reasons) I don't have much incentive to go to the boards. I also have virtually all the DL books and know more about it than any other setting.

Pettiness of fans is no reason to go off a setting; if they are annoying, so what? It doesn't make you one by association, and you don't *have* to go to the message boards. The authors as well - how do you know that they don't think much of their fans? Does it make that much difference?

Then, the counter argument. I saw no reason why MadStepDad here would believe that B4Real was against RL because of the doom and gloom, that beauty is irrelevant when you never see any of these imaginary places, and there is a lot of gloom - those mists are necessarily going to block out a lot of light. And as each domain is created around the mind-state of each (evil) Darklord, yeah, there's a fair bit of gloom as well.

As for outdated, I presume that B4Real was talking about the novel line for RL, which is outdated. Although all the gaming material is consistent with it (except in virtually all cases), it is old, and after the big thingumy with the Necropolis and everything, a lot is now old and isn't relevant.

Also, the Van richten's guides may be useful outside of RL, in a very undead-oriented game, but I can't see that the Gazeteers are going to be, since they deal primarily with describing particular cultures and locations. Many of the cultures in RL are renaissance era, which would be irrelevant in most fantasy games.
#8

b4real

Jan 09, 2004 11:08:53
Originally posted by Richard Connery
Dragoneye miniature expansion is published by WotC so just give it a little more time. You can order the DL DM Screen from Margaret Weis's store: http://www.margaretweis.com/cgi-local/shop.pl/SID=1073546740.10649/page=product.html/product=9

Thank you.

~B4Real
#9

zombiegleemax

Jan 09, 2004 14:26:46
Originally posted by pddisc
I can't see that the Gazeteers are going to be, since they deal primarily with describing particular cultures and locations. Many of the cultures in RL are renaissance era, which would be irrelevant in most fantasy games.

Actually, at its heart Ravenloft remains a patchwork world. The GAZ books still present lands that can be transported to any campaign world with relative ease.
#10

zombiegleemax

Jan 09, 2004 14:43:31
Steve Miller? In a Dragonlance board? WhaaAaAaA? ;) Heh, I thought you had given up on DL. Glad to see you here, good sir!
#11

zombiegleemax

Jan 09, 2004 14:51:21
Originally posted by Richard Connery
Steve Miller? In a Dragonlance board? WhaaAaAaA? ;) Heh, I thought you had given up on DL. Glad to see you here, good sir!

I poke my nose in here every so often.

While I've given up on any future involvement with DL on a professional level, I still have a soft spot in my heart for the world and its characters.
#12

talinthas

Jan 09, 2004 17:38:16
and we're always glad to have ya, steve =)
#13

b4real

Jan 10, 2004 11:56:18
Originally posted by Richard Connery
Steve Miller? In a Dragonlance board? WhaaAaAaA? ;) Heh, I thought you had given up on DL. Glad to see you here, good sir!

Rich,

In your profile I see a link to a DL Gazette. Is that an official Gazette or did you create it? If you created the gazette then I would like your permission to post it in the Unofficial Additions section of my DL3E Underground messageboards.

~B4Real
#14

zombiegleemax

Jan 10, 2004 23:58:26
Originally posted by B4Real
Rich,

In your profile I see a link to a DL Gazette. Is that an official Gazette or did you create it? If you created the gazette then I would like your permission to post it in the Unofficial Additions section of my DL3E Underground messageboards.

~B4Real

No, it's definitely not official. I released the GAZ on February 2001, a month or so after WotC cancelled Dragonlance as a game setting. Ever since I joined the Whitestone Council some months later I stopped working on it, so it's technically incomplete. But that's an hiatus I probably won't end. Anyway, feel free to post it on your messageboards!
#15

b4real

Jan 12, 2004 9:19:56
Thanks Rich!

~B4Real