* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Original D&D Started at 07-25-07 04:44 PM by silvereel Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=893348 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : silvereel Date : 07-25-07 04:44 PM Thread Title : Original D&D :D Hi I am new to D&D, and have picked up OD&D, or the "Red Box" Basic Set to start with. I know it may sound odd. A person new to D&D starting with a 20 year old set... I choose this because it looked simple, and I have heard alot of good stuff about it. Can anyone maybe direct me to some sites about it? I have found Dragonsfoot, which is a wonderful resource, and I am using alot of thier stuff and converting some AD&D things. I was just wondering if I could find some more sites and addons for it... Thanks. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Wiseblood Date : 07-25-07 07:41 PM Thread Title : Re: Original D&D Enworld is also good. Gary Gygax has an FAQ there I think. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : Solaris Date : 07-26-07 12:18 AM Thread Title : Re: Original D&D That's not original D&D. You can find out what you actually have at the Acaeum (http://acaeum.com/ddindexes/rulebooks.html). Dragonsfoot is the best I've found for classic D&D. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : RobertFisher Date : 07-26-07 10:36 AM Thread Title : Re: Original D&D The Dragonsfoot Classic D&D forum is, IMHO, the best starting point. There's the ODDGuild Yahoo Group. It's moved around a couple times, so I don't know which one is currently active. There's my web site (http://web.fisher.cx/robert/infogami/Classic_D&D). It's in a bit of a rough shape right now since it's just a backup of a site I'd created on another hosting service. Ideally I'll eventually migrate/update all that content to here (http://web.fisher.cx/robert/rpg/). & I don't know how many may be broken these days, but I have a bunch of links there to other sites. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : chatdemon Date : 07-26-07 12:23 PM Thread Title : Re: Original D&D The Dragonsfoot Classic D&D forum is, IMHO, the best starting point. There's the ODDGuild Yahoo Group. It's moved around a couple times, so I don't know which one is currently active. http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ODDguild/ is the current active incarnation. I'll second the notion that Dragonsfoot's Classic D&D forum is a great place to visit. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : chatdemon Date : 07-26-07 12:26 PM Thread Title : Re: Original D&D I am new to D&D, and have picked up OD&D, or the "Red Box" Basic Set to start with. As mentioned earlier, the Red Box isn't generally considered OD&D, but Classic D&D. Here's a breakdown I posted recently on the ODDGuild yahoo group: In a nutshell I think most folks would agree with: OD&D: Men & Magic Monsters & Treasure Underworld & Wilderness Adventures (Being the 3 volumes of the D&D game as first published by TSR) Greyhawk Blackmoor Eldritch Wizardry Gods, Demi-Gods, & Heroes Swords & Spells (And it's predecessor, Chainmail) (Being expansion volumes for the above rulebooks} OD&D/Classic (depending on who you ask) Basic Set (Eric Holmes editor edition) Classic D&D: Basic, Expert sets (Moldvay/Cook or Mentzer editor editions) Companion, Master, Immortal sets Rules Cyclopedia RC era "basic" sets/boardgames While essentially the same game in all of these versions, the OD&D system has noteworthy differences in the way class/race combos work, initiative systems, weapon damage, etc. The difference is similar in nature, though not as profound, as the difference between Classic D&D and AD&D 1st edition. The Holmes basic set is sort of a stepping stone from OD&D to either Classic or AD&D1, so it has a vague place in the breakdown. Also note that Chainmail, as most know, is a stand alone set of rules for single figure = single unit fantasy miniatures gaming, which eventually evolved into D&D. Swords & Spells was the adaptation of Chainmail into a miniatures rules expansion for D&D, but viewed by some as being of dubious quality and not really found in many conversations by OD&D/Classic fans anymore. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : shadzar Date : 07-26-07 09:21 PM Thread Title : Re: Original D&D um yeah, unless something very bad has happened you can actually find Frank Mentzer who did a lot of work on the red box set at dragonsfoot (http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10717) . try the general area you can't miss his name. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : RobertFisher Date : 07-26-07 10:18 PM Thread Title : Re: Original D&D Also note that Chainmail, as most know, is a stand alone set of rules for single figure = single unit fantasy miniatures gaming, which eventually evolved into D&D. Just to nitpick: Chainmail is primarily a set of rules for (historical medieval) 1:20 gaming. Each figure represents 20 men. It included two supplements. One covered fantasy units. The other, Man-to-man, covered the 1:1 scale. (& the man-to-man rules didn't directly include anything fantasy.) &--FWIW--while Chainmail certainly had some influence on D&D, Arneson claims to have abandoned using Chainmail for his Blackmoor campaign quite early on, & Gygax says he never used Chainmail for Greyhawk. Based on what I've read by Arneson, Schick, Mornard, Gygax, & Wesely; I think Wesely's Braunsteins & Megarry's Dungeon influenced D&D more. (Although it wasn't published until after D&D, Dungeon pre-dated it & was demostrated to Gygax & the Lake Geneva crowd along with Blackmoor.) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : WizO_Paradox Date : 07-28-07 04:29 AM Thread Title : Re: Original D&D You should try to find the Rules Cyclopedia. It has all the boxed sets from Red to Gold in one convenient book package. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : silvereel Date : 07-28-07 02:58 PM Thread Title : Re: Original D&D I thought it looked good, but I was told it only contained some of the info from the original box sets. If it has everything though, I would certainly get it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : HumanTorch Date : 07-28-07 03:52 PM Thread Title : Re: Original D&D THE FOLLOWING IS OPINION: For reference I refer to the BASIC/EXPERT SETs "teen D&D" because 14 year olds were their intended market and its more clarifying to know. Frankly, theres no reason not to use the "demonic covered" 1970's hardbacks for all D&D games. They're durable, convenient, cover quite a lot of variables and unlike later editions they were intended with adults in mind almost exclusively. I would like to see a petition for a 1970's restoration put up on this site. Is that possible? Like a way to get the old D&D back? Or is that asking too much? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : Solaris Date : 07-28-07 07:26 PM Thread Title : Re: Original D&D Is that possible? Like a way to get the old D&D back?Get it back? If you no longer have your books, then a petition on WotC's website isn't going to help you much; try second-hand bookstores, or eBay. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : HumanTorch Date : 07-29-07 12:52 PM Thread Title : Re: Original D&D double post -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : HumanTorch Date : 07-29-07 12:58 PM Thread Title : Re: Original D&D Theres an entire generation missing out on the original fun though. Can anyone at this company clearly say that today's type of game play is the same? Not really. They've pumped out forty versions of other games including "classic versions". So why not? I say aye! I know I'd buy a replica PLAYERS HANDBOOK and the other Gygax era hardocers. How about a UA with good binding? Can't get that on EBay! ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : havard Date : 07-30-07 06:25 PM Thread Title : Re: Original D&D THE FOLLOWING IS OPINION: Frankly, theres no reason not to use the "demonic covered" 1970's hardbacks for all D&D games. Unless you want to be able to have your characters advance to 36th level and beyond, in which case Mentzer is your friend :) Havard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Author : RobertFisher Date : 07-31-07 11:18 AM Thread Title : Re: Original D&D How about a UA with good binding? Can't get that on EBay! Ain't that the truth! I guess the closest you can come is to buy the PDF version & get a print shop to give it a decent binding. Or maybe buy a second copy second-hand & get a print shop to rebind it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Author : chatdemon Date : 08-01-07 11:02 PM Thread Title : Re: Original D&D Unless you want to be able to have your characters advance to 36th level and beyond, in which case Mentzer is your friend :) Or, if, like me, you find the Mentzer edition just fine without adding AD&D material. I've played every edition except 3.5 (it came out after my flirtation with 3.0 ended), these days I simply enjoy Mentzer's Classic edition most, and that's what's important, right? I honestly couldn't care less whether WotC ever recognizes the game as ever having existed again. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Author : GreyLord Date : 08-08-07 11:05 PM Thread Title : Re: Original D&D Something that easily flows into Classic D&D is Castles and Crusades. I know I've used the Classic D&D rules whilst using the classes and weapons of C&C along with their Siege system, and it flows pretty seamlessly if one wants it to. C&C just adding options to the D&D rules. That's also on Dragons foot though, but it is another venue for an expansion of Classic rules from the Red Box if one is looking for such a thing. However, for D&D itself, I would also back up those who are saying the Rules Compendium (the one for D&D, not the new one coming out for 3.5), as it is the best of the best rulebooks for Classic D&D I've ever come across. (Though nothing really comes close to adding or resembling OD&D, which came before the redbox...the blue box...or basic/expert even) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Author : havard Date : 08-09-07 07:07 PM Thread Title : Re: Original D&D Something that easily flows into Classic D&D is Castles and Crusades. I know I've used the Classic D&D rules whilst using the classes and weapons of C&C along with their Siege system, and it flows pretty seamlessly if one wants it to. C&C just adding options to the D&D rules. That's also on Dragons foot though, but it is another venue for an expansion of Classic rules from the Red Box if one is looking for such a thing. However, for D&D itself, I would also back up those who are saying the Rules Compendium (the one for D&D, not the new one coming out for 3.5), as it is the best of the best rulebooks for Classic D&D I've ever come across. (Though nothing really comes close to adding or resembling OD&D, which came before the redbox...the blue box...or basic/expert even) Its called the Rules Cyclopedia, but I agree with you on that. I was a little disappointed with C&C as it is too much of a retro'ed d20 game when I would much rather have liked to see a D20 game trying to capture the simplicity of Classic D&D instead of its quirks. For the quirks I can just go play actual Classic. I like the Sieged Classic D&D I have seen at some website though, basically adding the D20 mechanic and C&C skill system to RC D&D. Havard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Author : tankschmidt Date : 08-10-07 07:59 AM Thread Title : Re: Original D&D I like the Sieged Classic D&D I have seen at some website though, basically adding the D20 mechanic and C&C skill system to RC D&D. That sounds interesting. Any idea where you saw it? It's not Basic Fantasy or Labyrinth Lord, is it? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 21] Author : mlyon Date : 08-13-07 10:25 PM Thread Title : Re: Original D&D I don't play but happen to have some stuff that I would like to sell. 1. The official Advanced D&D players hand book by Gary Gygax 2. The Official Advanced D&D Dungeon Masters Guide by Gary Gygax 3. The Official Advanced D&D Wilderness Survival Guide by Kim Mohan 4. The TRS Dungeon & Dragons Fantasy Adventure Game Basic Set w/ minatures If anyone is interested or can tell me about what to sell them for let me know please! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:23 AM.