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Kagonesti need help with name

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#1
XIII
Jan 25, 2004 23:42:01 Its easy, i am starting a new campaign with new players (still holding the old one with old players) Game is composed of 3 girls and a guy. 2 girls and the guy choosed to play Kagonesti elf while the 3rd girl choosed a Qualinesti one.

No problem there so far, Chosed their class :

1st girl : Kag Druid
2nd girl : Kag Ranger
3rd girl : Qualinesti Fighter (ala Legolas)
Guy : Kag Barbarian

Since its a mostly female game they are getting really deep with backgroud, at least farther than my old-timers do most of the time.

And, they want to get nice name without taking those from the DLCS. One of the girl said : "How about getting the name from the elven language? like sydarin and such.." and so, i am stuck with trying to find them words in elven that translate into what name they want.

They are (in same order as above) :
Lore Keeper
Silent Scout
Wind Dancer
Brother of the Eagle

Anyone can help me? I got the Dragon mag #279 and there is a lexic in there, but of no big use since most words arent there.

Thanks a lot!
#2
zombiegleemax
Jan 26, 2004 9:04:26 Elven varies from D&D world to world, and even in the same world, I don't think authors check to see what words have been elven in the past, and what they translate to. I think they usually go with what "sounds" elven, and use it to make whatever statement they want. If you want to go with a fairly fleshed out elven language, check out the Simirillion, put together by Tolkien's son from his fathers very thorough notes. (At least I am pretty sure it is in there, but it has been awhile since I checked it out.)

The other thing to think about is which elven peoples does the lexicon belong to? Remember, Larauna and Gilthanas couldn't understand what the Kagonesti elves were saying in Dragons of Winters Night, so even if it is the same language, there is a significant dialect shift, much like that which is the difference between Scotts Gaelic, Irish Gaelic, and Welsh. IIRC, the kagonesti language was described as harsher than the "standard" elven tongue (Qual, Silv.), but that may have been simply describing the tone the Kagonesti were using.
#3
raggart_knug
Jan 28, 2004 22:50:02
Originally posted by Winterknight
Remember, Larauna and Gilthanas couldn't understand what the Kagonesti elves were saying in Dragons of Winters Night, so even if it is the same language, there is a significant dialect shift, much like that which is the difference between Scotts Gaelic, Irish Gaelic, and Welsh. IIRC, the kagonesti language was described as harsher than the "standard" elven tongue (Qual, Silv.), but that may have been simply describing the tone the Kagonesti were using.

Actually, per the DLCS, the Kagonesti speak a mixture of Elven and Sylvan that can be pretty difficult to understand to outsiders. However, they can still speak Elven and Sylvan fluently, and (as I understand it) their names tend to have Elven roots.
#4
zombiegleemax
Jan 28, 2004 23:51:23
Originally posted by XIII
Its They are (in same order as above) :
Lore Keeper
Silent Scout
Wind Dancer
Brother of the Eagle

These are Sindarin (Tolkien's Elder Elvish)

Lore = Angol or Ist
Keeper = I couldn't find a direct equivalent, but . . .
Keep = heb- or hebin
Holder = taew

So Lore Keeper can crudely be rendered as Hebangol, Angolhebin, Hebist, or Isthebin.

Silent = Dinen
Scout = again, there seems to be no direct equivalent.
Hunter = faron, faroth, feredir, faradrim

I'll suggest either Dinefaron, Feredinen, or Faradinen.

Wind = Gwae, Sul
Dancer = again, no equivalent
Song = glir, laer

Sullaer? Gwaeglir?

Brother = Gwador
of = ned, o, uin
the = i
Eagle = thor, thoron

So, perhaps Gwadoroithor, but I prefer Thorongwador - it's a bit easier on the tongue.

Hope this helps.
#5
XIII
Jan 29, 2004 0:18:21 Ithilorien : Thanks a lot. i was trying to find my silmarion or something to get a hand on a dictionary of tolkien, but oculdnt find it. Also, all i had find on the net wasnt really clear.

example, for the Brother of the Eagle, i had Thoron'Elrihor.

Thanks also to Raggart & Winter for your help. It did help with all the players to settle their name.
#6
zombiegleemax
Jan 29, 2004 0:36:36 This may be of use to others.

And glad to be of service, by the way.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 XIII Jan 25, 2004 23:42:01	Its easy, i am starting a new campaign with new players (still holding the old one with old players) Game is composed of 3 girls and a guy. 2 girls and the guy choosed to play Kagonesti elf while the 3rd girl choosed a Qualinesti one. No problem there so far, Chosed their class : 1st girl : Kag Druid 2nd girl : Kag Ranger 3rd girl : Qualinesti Fighter (ala Legolas) Guy : Kag Barbarian Since its a mostly female game they are getting really deep with backgroud, at least farther than my old-timers do most of the time. And, they want to get nice name without taking those from the DLCS. One of the girl said : "How about getting the name from the elven language? like sydarin and such.." and so, i am stuck with trying to find them words in elven that translate into what name they want. They are (in same order as above) : Lore Keeper Silent Scout Wind Dancer Brother of the Eagle Anyone can help me? I got the Dragon mag #279 and there is a lexic in there, but of no big use since most words arent there. Thanks a lot!
#2 zombiegleemax Jan 26, 2004 9:04:26	Elven varies from D&D world to world, and even in the same world, I don't think authors check to see what words have been elven in the past, and what they translate to. I think they usually go with what "sounds" elven, and use it to make whatever statement they want. If you want to go with a fairly fleshed out elven language, check out the Simirillion, put together by Tolkien's son from his fathers very thorough notes. (At least I am pretty sure it is in there, but it has been awhile since I checked it out.) The other thing to think about is which elven peoples does the lexicon belong to? Remember, Larauna and Gilthanas couldn't understand what the Kagonesti elves were saying in Dragons of Winters Night, so even if it is the same language, there is a significant dialect shift, much like that which is the difference between Scotts Gaelic, Irish Gaelic, and Welsh. IIRC, the kagonesti language was described as harsher than the "standard" elven tongue (Qual, Silv.), but that may have been simply describing the tone the Kagonesti were using.
#3 raggart_knug Jan 28, 2004 22:50:02	Originally posted by Winterknight Remember, Larauna and Gilthanas couldn't understand what the Kagonesti elves were saying in Dragons of Winters Night, so even if it is the same language, there is a significant dialect shift, much like that which is the difference between Scotts Gaelic, Irish Gaelic, and Welsh. IIRC, the kagonesti language was described as harsher than the "standard" elven tongue (Qual, Silv.), but that may have been simply describing the tone the Kagonesti were using. Actually, per the DLCS, the Kagonesti speak a mixture of Elven and Sylvan that can be pretty difficult to understand to outsiders. However, they can still speak Elven and Sylvan fluently, and (as I understand it) their names tend to have Elven roots.
#4 zombiegleemax Jan 28, 2004 23:51:23	Originally posted by XIII Its They are (in same order as above) : Lore Keeper Silent Scout Wind Dancer Brother of the Eagle These are Sindarin (Tolkien's Elder Elvish) Lore = Angol or Ist Keeper = I couldn't find a direct equivalent, but . . . Keep = heb- or hebin Holder = taew So Lore Keeper can crudely be rendered as Hebangol, Angolhebin, Hebist, or Isthebin. Silent = Dinen Scout = again, there seems to be no direct equivalent. Hunter = faron, faroth, feredir, faradrim I'll suggest either Dinefaron, Feredinen, or Faradinen. Wind = Gwae, Sul Dancer = again, no equivalent Song = glir, laer Sullaer? Gwaeglir? Brother = Gwador of = ned, o, uin the = i Eagle = thor, thoron So, perhaps Gwadoroithor, but I prefer Thorongwador - it's a bit easier on the tongue. Hope this helps.
#5 XIII Jan 29, 2004 0:18:21	Ithilorien : Thanks a lot. i was trying to find my silmarion or something to get a hand on a dictionary of tolkien, but oculdnt find it. Also, all i had find on the net wasnt really clear. example, for the Brother of the Eagle, i had Thoron'Elrihor. Thanks also to Raggart & Winter for your help. It did help with all the players to settle their name.
#6 zombiegleemax Jan 29, 2004 0:36:36	This may be of use to others. And glad to be of service, by the way.