|#1KamelionFeb 06, 2004 12:16:01||Hey folks.|
Below is a preview version of the Athas-specific list for Summon Nature's Ally. This is the list that will be featured in the upcoming Terrors of Athas release from athas.org and we're looking for feedback, comments, suggestions - the usual round of blistering critique. The final version will be the official list, to be released with ToA. There's another thread for Summon Monster.
Summon Nature’s Ally – Athasian Variant
Creatures in bold are found in Terrors of Athas.
(1) The creature may only be summoned into an aquatic environment.
(2) The creature may only be summoned into a silt-rich environment.
(3) The creature may only be summoned into an abundant environment (DS3e Core Rules Chapter 8).
Snake, Small viper (animal)
Bear, black (animal)
Elemental, Small (any)
Giant Lizard (animal)
Shark, Medium(1) (animal)
Snake, Medium viper (animal)
Athasian shark, Large(1) (animal)
Snake, constrictor (animal)
Snake, Large viper (animal)
Bear, brown (animal)
Elemental, Medium (any)
Snake, Huge viper (animal)
Subterranean lizard (animal)
War crodlu (animal)
Athasian shark, Huge(1) (animal)
Athasian sloth (animal)
Elemental, Large (any)
Snake, giant constrictor (animal)
Elemental, Huge (any)
Elemental Beast (any)
Octopus, giant(1) (animal)
Paraelemental Beast (any)
Elemental, greater (any)
Squid, giant(1) (animal)
White silt horror(2) (animal)
|#2NefalFeb 07, 2004 19:30:53||Hi!|
Good job! DS needed really such a list!
IMHO there's too much "aquatic"creature in the 4th and 8th level... particulary the 8th lvl. You can summon (in normal conditions) Athasian Roc or a Noble Salamander (pretty good creatures but that's not the point)... I know that's no more proposed creature in the "official" 3.5 rules... maybe it could be a good opportunity to give real choice to the druid? Maybe the "minor" drakes of the draconomicon? Or "toolbox" as lammasu or sphinx (I've always thought about "athasian lammasu" neutral and used by officials of Urik...) Shambling mound? Tendriculous? Mekillot?
BTW good job! I enjoy to see the preview of the summon monster!
|#3KamelionFeb 07, 2004 20:23:43||Hi Nefal - thanks for your feedback. Good points about the aquatic creatures. They certainly unbalance the list at 8th level. I'll have a look at tweaking that and coming up with an alternative. Cheers|
|#4KamelionFeb 08, 2004 11:55:09||OK, tweaked the list to have strine at 4th level and drik at 8th level. Had to lose the dire shark, but there you go. This should be a bit more balanced|
|#5NefalFeb 08, 2004 18:34:28||Dag!|
I must admit I've know idea what's a strine or a drik... but I trust you and hope it would be more balanced!
Great job for the summon monster list too!
|#6KamelionFeb 09, 2004 2:42:11||Heh - a drik is a giant shelled lizard, a bit like a mekillot but more grumpy. They were originally in DSMC2. The strine is a sort of mutant porcupine - it's from Polyhedron iirc - that shoots its quills at its enemies. Anyway, they'll both be in the imminent ToA|
|#7terendelFeb 14, 2004 13:41:14||Tiger (animal) is listed at both 4th and 5th level. Was that intentional?|
|#8KamelionFeb 14, 2004 13:43:46|
Tiger (animal) is listed at both 4th and 5th level. Was that intentional?
Nope. That was just plain stupid. Lemme fix that. Shoo, kitty, shoo...
(Thanks, Del )
Edit: OK, replaced it with the tigone. It seemed a better replacement for the nixie. Ta!
|#9nytcrawlrFeb 15, 2004 1:54:37|
Originally posted by Kamelion
Shattered Lands actually.
|#10KamelionFeb 15, 2004 2:02:55|
Originally posted by NytCrawlr
Heh - I stand corrected
|#11zombiegleemaxFeb 15, 2004 14:57:54||What are your reasons for having shadow giant on the list?|
|#12KamelionFeb 15, 2004 18:14:15|
Originally posted by Hill Giant
I initially needed a replacement for the satyr and started by looking at creatures of appropriate CR and abilities (in other words, it shouldn't be replaced by some CR 6 animal.) I also considered the fact that the Nature's Ally spells can summon creatures from planes tied to the (super)natural world - the inner planes rather than the outer planes. On Athas, this includes the Black. The shadow giant met all of the above criteria quite nicely and so I went for that.