|#1zombiegleemaxFeb 09, 2004 6:56:54||I've not got the DL SM Screen yet, but one of the things I've heard that is says is that all bar specific monsters are somewhere in Krynn. Are we going to find out where? I think I remember something somewhere saying that pegasi lived in or around Darken Wood, but everything else...|
|#2cam_banksFeb 09, 2004 8:47:25||I'm not sure what you're asking. Are you wanting to know where specifically each creature lives? That would be a pretty substantial undertaking. You can determine that quickly (if not accurately) by looking up the creature's terrain type (warm hills, temperate swamp, etc) and then assuming that the areas of Krynn which match those terrain types will be likely places for that creature to be found.|
|#3zombiegleemaxFeb 09, 2004 9:01:11||I agree with Cam that would take an incredible amount of reasources and would take away alot of the DMing. The terrain decription is enough. Its bad enought when a player recalls hearing that a certain creature is from a certain area but we dont need players saying"well I NOW that OGRES live here".|
No one needs toi know this kind of specific information. If a DM need this info they can go through the beatie book of Krynn monster by monster and place them exactly where they want the monsters to be.
just my 2 steel
|#4zombiegleemaxFeb 09, 2004 9:52:51||So if it were a massive undertaking, then wouldn't it make sense to do it where masses of people go? I just think that having another resource, like the Names of Dragons thread that was on here or the novel board (when it was there), would be useful for newer DMs who want to get some idea of where they should place random monsters. And if there was such a thing, for all those beasties that are never mentioned in any books or game material, there could be a little DL flavour added.|
Take the beholder for example. I don't recall there being any, but since they're not excluded (I don't think), they're in Krynn somewhere. Where? Well, they're aberrations. Aberrations are frequently magical accidents, so there could be some in and around Zhaman, or there might be one deep under the Ruins near Kendermore (especially after Malys messed around with it).
Another might be a roc. They live in warm montains, so having them somewhere in the Vingaard range or the Astivar mountains might be a good place. Then they'd need a description of how they deal with the things near them, or vice versa - what the Solamnics think about them, and if they cause much trouble, or if Lorrinar has somehow got her tribes to train them to be attack mounts or something.
If each person on this board took it in turns to take a monster from the monster manual, and write about where it lives and give it some Krynnish flavour, it wouldn't take long before we had a reasonably useful resource. Then submit it to Dragonlance.com, the Nexus or the Tobril (or all three), and before long, a good footnote to the DM screen.
As for saying 'I know ogres live here', that's either metagaming or plain annoying. It wouldn't be official, more something the DM can use of they want. And anyway, everyone knows the ogres live chiefly in Kern, Blode and South Ergoth - but they aren't restricted to living only there. It's if a DM wants something that would live in the area.
|#5ferratusFeb 09, 2004 14:13:32||It is indeed too much to ask for to have a region by region breakdown of monsters. After all, monsters are generally solitary and many, so you can't really expect to list them all. It is pretty much inconsequential for adventure design. If you need a Night Hag in this town, or a Behir on this mountain you don't really know ahead of time that one is there, you just need to add as needed.|
Of course, there are one exception to this, and two possible options. The exception is with the social monsters of relatively low CR, mainly the Humanoids and the Monstrous Humanoids. We need to know their numbers and percentage of a population so we can figure out the political role they play in a particular region. For example, we need to have a rough estimate of the number of Centaurs in Duntillok, which will determine if they are a majority, a significant minority, or a small military caste. We need to know there are goblins in Sikket'Hul, Throt, Holat and Skullrott, and how many there are. We also need to know if a particular monster is having a significant impact on a state, such as if a dragon rules a village. If Sable has a lot of abberations and lizardmen in the Swamps of Shrentak, that would also be good to mention. All of this is covered in a good geographical entry. So for example if a copper dragon named Tonyanianki and her brood of kapak siblings is a big part of why the dragon warlords of the desolation are leaving Port Balifor alone, then it should be mentioned in the entry. If the dragon is hiding there incognito, then she really doesn't need to be revealed until the adventure that features her.
Two options for giving us rough estimates of monsters and their role in the campaign setting above and beyond what you expect are these. In chapters dealing with flora and fauna, where we are dealing with certain regions, it probably isn't a bad idea to include the commonly found monsters in the region. The other option is to focus on one monster that has a significant impact on the campaign setting, which in dragonlance's case, is dragons. Every major conflict in the last 80 years of dragonlance's history has been decided by dragon power. Therefore it might not be a bad idea to do a splash map showing the lairs and locations of various clans and dragons of great power.
However, both of these are not necessary. All you really need to know about the climate and monsters of a region can usually be done in a good geographical entry.
|#6cam_banksFeb 09, 2004 14:52:27||Holat? Skullrott?|
|#7ferratusFeb 09, 2004 15:05:53||Holat - Beryl's dying woods on the Southeast side of the Kharolis Mountains. It says in the DLCS that that is where the Goblins are, so I gave it a name (since none was forthcoming). It could be named something else, but I find it convenient to distinguish "Human Qualinesti" and "Goblin Qualinesti".|
Skullrott is a goblin city (ruled by 3 cave lords) Kipper made in the great caverns beneath Port Balifor, Nereka and Sanction.
|#8cam_banksFeb 09, 2004 15:14:03||Ah. It would probably be of benefit to those who aren't familiar with your own creations to distinguish those from locations and other terms which do currently exist as accessible continuity. I'm all for fan creations, but it can be easy to forget that not everybody knows about them.|
|#9ferratusFeb 09, 2004 15:34:45||There is too little to talk about without mentioning fan creations, that's why we generally don't talk about the setting itself much. Everyone is either waiting for the novels to blow over, or are just going and creating new stuff. Since there are a lot of blank spots on the map, for my good humour I'm just assuming I know what I'm talking about when they come up. ;)|
Besides, all the dragonlance stuff is scattered across dozens of products (which may or may not be canonical). What's a dozen more fan products going to really confuse? Just the obsessive collectors who have collected every last book. The rest will find the obscure references just as maddening. After all, what does the average Dragonlance fan know about the Vale of Perfect Silences?
|#10cam_banksFeb 09, 2004 17:27:43||Well, it was worth a shot.|
|#11zombiegleemaxFeb 09, 2004 17:41:54||Well I think DL fan stuff is very important since there is very little official stuff out there and it will be a few years till there is much of an info base...|
....on the other side it is good to let people know when the fan based stuff is being used.
|#12cam_banksFeb 09, 2004 17:45:05|
Originally posted by Hammerhand
Right. Never assume anything.
|#13ferratusFeb 09, 2004 21:32:29||This new signature file should clear things up! Now I have to talk for awhile because I need to make my post longer than my sig. |
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