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#1
lorac75
Mar 09, 2004 12:55:57 When can we expect to get a peek at the cover to this Sourcebook? Also, who is the cover artist?
#2
zombiegleemax
Mar 09, 2004 13:47:52 I hope they go Stawicki or Parkinson.
#3
lorac75
Mar 09, 2004 13:57:32 I'm an Elmore man myself.
#4
cam_banks
Mar 09, 2004 13:59:26 Rumor is it will be Erol Otus' premier Dragonlance moment of fame.

Just kidding.

Although, there's a thought.

Cheers,
Cam
#5
zombiegleemax
Mar 09, 2004 14:10:45
Originally posted by Cam Banks
Rumor is it will be Erol Otus' premier Dragonlance moment of fame.

Or maybe they'll really go all out and commission Doug Kovacs. Nothing says Dragonlance to me like the Sivak Draconian and Silver Dragon in the DLCS. :D
#6
daedavias_dup
Mar 09, 2004 14:15:30
Originally posted by Kai Lord
I hope they go Stawicki or Parkinson.

I hope they go with Stawicki, I tend to like his covers more. Elmore's interior art is definitely amazing, though.
#7
brimstone
Mar 09, 2004 14:20:28 Although they all have their moments, Easly, Stawicki, Elmore, Parkinson, Caldwell...

Parkinson is my favorite Draconian artist (his dragons rock too).

Caldwell's dragons are my favorite designs.

No one does Overlords like Easly.

Stawicki's art is just so cool.

But when it comes to the War of the Lance...Larry Elmore is the one that comes to mind for me.
#8
lorac75
Mar 09, 2004 14:21:16 Erol Otus rocks. Personally, I'd take that 70's 1st ed./Hackmaster art over the overglossed color of 3rd ed. I just get enough of tap dancing Umber Hulks, but maybe that's just me. The Troll from the original MM is the best Troll drawing ever and I was stoked when I saw they had used that for BG 2.
#9
zombiegleemax
Mar 09, 2004 14:31:00
Originally posted by Brimstone
But when it comes to the War of the Lance...Larry Elmore is the one that comes to mind for me.

Yes but we got so many WOTL pieces from Elmore in the 80's, and his current work just hasn't quite matched it. Stawicki is at the top of his game, and is responsible for the current "face" of Dragonlance.

To really sell the idea of playing characters in the same world of the novels, I hope the cover art is consistent between both lines. If they go "old school" I hope they surprise us all with Parkinson, otherwise Stawicki all the way.

His Silvara on the cover of The Search for Magic is the best ever representation, as is his Goldmoon on Dragons of a Lost Star. And his dragons are distinct and awesome, as are Parkinson's and Caldwell's.
#10
The_White_Sorcerer
Mar 09, 2004 14:37:42
Originally posted by Brimstone
No one does Overlords like Easly.

Stawicki's art is just so cool.

But when it comes to the War of the Lance...Larry Elmore is the one that comes to mind for me.

1. And that's a good thing. I hate Easly's dragons.
2. Agreed.
3. True, unfortunately. Never liked the guy's art, most likely never will (except for the White Robe Raistlin that will be in Towers of High Sorcery. And that's just because of the subject of the picture).
#11
brimstone
Mar 09, 2004 14:38:48
Originally posted by Kai Lord
Or maybe they'll really go all out and commission Doug Kovacs. Nothing says Dragonlance to me like the Sivak Draconian and Silver Dragon in the DLCS.

Again...proof that good art is definately in the eye of the beholder.

Personally...I don't like the silver dragon...and the only thing I like about the Sivak is that it's silver (a rarity, sometimes...just look at Ragh on the cover of Redemption...he's green for cryin' out loud).

Anyway...as far as the DLCS goes, my favorite dragons are the white, brass, and gold. Oh...and that red is just a monster. I like Easly's red dragons (and Overlords...and the cover of the Bestiary of Krynn is pretty damn cool). And I love the blue dragon used in the "Dragon Rider" picture. Which is on the WotC website...but I don't remember if it was in the book or not. Anyway...it's obviously based off of Elmore's original blue dragon design...which is cool.

As far as dragon designs go...here's how I pick them:

Red: Easly's "Dragons of Flame"
Blue: Elmore's "Dragonlance" and "Dragons of Winter Night"
White: Elmore's "Dragons of Ice"
Green: Caldwell's "Dragons of Dreams"
Black: Caldwell's "Dragons of Despair"

Or, you can just look at Caldwell's "Dragons of Triumph" and see all the above five designs roled into one on Tiamat...uh I mean Takhisis. heh heh

Gold: I like the DLCS version...but I don't know who painted it.
Silver: Lockwoods "Chaos Spawn"
Brass: Parkinson's "Dagons of Hope"
Copper: Elmore's "Dragons of War"
Bronze: Well, we don't really have one I like...Shattraklangg on the cover of The Last Tower isn't really anything special...and I'm not too fond of the DLCS one...well, on second glance...I'd say from neck up is pretty close to my interpretation of a bronze dragon...chin tenticles and all (taken straight from the old Dragonlance comic book).

But that's just me...

;)
#12
zombiegleemax
Mar 09, 2004 14:43:20
Originally posted by Brimstone
Again...proof that good art is definately in the eye of the beholder.

Personally...I don't like the silver dragon...and the only thing I like about the Sivak is that it's silver

I was joking. I don't think anybody likes those two Kovacs pieces. Even his mother reportedly coughed up her raspberry mocha when she saw them.
#13
brimstone
Mar 09, 2004 14:45:08
Originally posted by Kai Lord
His Silvara on the cover of The Search for Magic is the best ever representation, as is his Goldmoon on Dragons of a Lost Star. And his dragons are distinct and awesome, as are Parkinson's and Caldwell's.

That wasn't Silvara...it was Arlena Plata. Same dragon...but different form. But I agree...she was beautiful.

As for Stawicki's dragons, personally I think that's his one failing...at least as far as my likes are concerned. I do not like any of his dragons. The characters that he paints are all quite good though. His Goldmoons (although neither of them looked alike...but given the circumstances, that's okay) are my favorite.
#14
zombiegleemax
Mar 09, 2004 14:58:43
Originally posted by Brimstone
That wasn't Silvara...it was Arlena Plata. Same dragon...but different form. But I agree...she was beautiful.

Yep, his characters are definitely the best.

Originally posted by Brimstone
As for Stawicki's dragons, personally I think that's his one failing...at least as far as my likes are concerned. I do not like any of his dragons.

Really? I think his Reds on the cover of Dragons of a Vanished Moon and The Eve of the Maelstrom are simply phenomenal.
#15
zombiegleemax
Mar 09, 2004 15:20:57 Gotta agree about giving Stawicki some love for his dragons....Hia are my favorite out there....as well as his interpretations of every character he has painted thus far. I am really not a big fan of Elmore...although I agree that Dragons of Triumph was his triumph....and the DL DM Screen painting.....except for the dragons on it. I dunno, his dragons all seem to me to be fat stupid looking monsters rather than impressive reptiles that one can feel fear and awe for simultaneaously.
#16
baron_the_curse
Mar 09, 2004 15:48:30 I agree, I love Elmore, but his dragons lack sometimes. Aside from the bloated observation I think most of his dragons also all look alike with just different scale colors.
#17
loreseeker
Mar 09, 2004 17:25:41 I prefer Elmore.

Regarding the current "face" of DL:
Stawicki is a good artist, yes, but his covers look too, well, modern for my taste. E.g. hairstyle of the knight on the covers of the War of Souls Tril.
And his dragons ... their OK - but I prefer Elmore's.
#18
wolffenjugend_dup
Mar 09, 2004 19:30:26 I agree, Elmore rocks!
#19
zombiegleemax
Mar 09, 2004 22:39:17 I like Elmore alright enough, but its his artwork now that isnt up to snuff I think....they are definitely not the pieces he used to turn out. The DM Screen painting was great....but as I said the dragons he paints...and this has been pattern for him....his dragons are fairly interchangeable as far as color...and they all need Jenny Craig. And his work in AoM....I liked his new Laurana....that was top notch....I think he has always loved painting her....but his portrait of Mina was just IMHO awful...Stawicki really captured her essence for me....

But one thing we have to remember is art is subjective....so what one person finds utterly awesome may be trash to another
#20
ranger_reg
Mar 10, 2004 0:36:35 When it comes to the War of the Lance, Elmore's artworks always comes to mind.
#21
zombiegleemax
Mar 10, 2004 0:40:44
Originally posted by Ranger REG
When it comes to the War of the Lance, Elmore's artworks always comes to mind.

Elmore's artwork from the 80's or his current work?
#22
sweetmeats
Mar 10, 2004 8:56:44 Elmore is my Dragonlance artist of choice. More Elmore!!!
#23
frostdawn
Mar 10, 2004 12:00:19 Since we are essentially discussing tastes, here's my $.02.

Easley- probably my least favorite Dragonlance artist of all time. His depictions of dragons look like human bodybuilders with claws, wings, tail and dragon heads. The physiology is all off.

Elmore- mad props to Larry. He set the flavor of the classic Dragonlance. When one thinks of classic Dragonlance, who doesn't envision one of his MANY paintings. I agree with his cookie cutter style of dragon depictions though (interchangeable colors, etc) Something everyone might want to consider, he did suffer a stroke or heart attack or something while working on some Dragonlance paintings. He himself has admitted that he felt his work has suffered as a result ever since, and was never quite as good as it used to be.

Lockwood- to me, his dragons are simply stunning. Hands down, he is my favorite all time Dragonlance artist. Everything he portrays has this mystical aura about it, fantasy through and through. His dragons in particular are just as I've always envisioned them. I could go on forever on how much I love his work.

Stawicki- he's become to the new Dragonlance stuff what Elmore was to the classics. To me, his strength is really in depicting people, and the way he plays with the backgrounds of the paintings moreso than his peers. Nice style, but IMHO, it just doesn't compete with Lockwood.
#24
jrblasingame
Mar 10, 2004 15:44:07
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
Elmore .... And his work in AoM....I liked his new Laurana....that was top notch....I think he has always loved painting her....but his portrait of Mina was just IMHO awful...Stawicki really captured her essence for me....

I have to agree, although I don't usually look at artists names, Stawicki's Mina had me actually look for the name....very good (IMO).

I like Elmore, but Stawicki has made a huge impression on me.
#25
ranger_reg
Mar 10, 2004 15:58:19
Originally posted by Kai Lord

Elmore's artwork from the 80's or his current work?

Considering that DL began in the 80's (yeah, yeah, I lived long enough), Elmore have been the prominent artist for 4th Age DL.
#26
brimstone
Mar 10, 2004 16:31:40
Originally posted by Baron the Curse
I agree, I love Elmore, but his dragons lack sometimes. Aside from the bloated observation I think most of his dragons also all look alike with just different scale colors.

See...I completely disagree with that...except in one case.

I will concede that his re-printed Chronicles covers were of lower quality compared to the originals (as far as the dragons are concerned). They all do look interchangeable (even though they have the distiguishing features they had from before...ie. red jaw spikes, blue's beard, green's fin, etc.) This is shortly after his stroke, I believe. For a while there was a definate change in style. But I think he's back to where he was beforehand. Just look at his Sovereign Stone stuff...excellent.

Anyway, his original paintings, the dragons definately have character...depending on color...it's going to be different.

Oh, and Serena Darkmyst, "Dragons of Triumph" is painted by Clyde Caldwell (although the dragon designs are all Elmore's except for the Black and Green dragons).
#27
zombiegleemax
Mar 11, 2004 0:10:32
Originally posted by Ranger REG
Considering that DL began in the 80's (yeah, yeah, I lived long enough), Elmore have been the prominent artist for 4th Age DL.

The point was that Elmore doesn't draw quite as well as he did in the 80's, so in choosing an artist for the upcoming WOTL sourcebook that's definitely a factor.

I really like Elmore's cover for the new DL boxed set, but I hope they get Stawicki. Or Parkinson.
#28
zombiegleemax
Mar 11, 2004 0:13:20
Originally posted by Brimstone

Oh, and Serena Darkmyst, "Dragons of Triumph" is painted by Clyde Caldwell (although the dragon designs are all Elmore's except for the Black and Green dragons).

Thanks....I must have totally had a brainstem explosion there.
#29
lorac75
Mar 11, 2004 7:56:46 I hope the cover to the book is half as cool as this:

http://www.dragonlance.com/d20/product.asp?id=SVP-4802&showimage=yes

Sturm, Flint, Raist, and a little Onyx.
#30
brimstone
Mar 11, 2004 11:07:59
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
Thanks....I must have totally had a brainstem explosion there.

I have them often, too. They must be contagious.
#31
ranger_reg
Mar 12, 2004 1:02:55
Originally posted by Kai Lord

I really like Elmore's cover for the new DL boxed set, but I hope they get Stawicki. Or Parkinson.

Sorry, but nothing says DL like Elmore.
#32
zombiegleemax
Mar 12, 2004 1:05:26
Originally posted by Ranger REG
Sorry, but nothing says DL like Elmore.

No need to apologize, its okay to be wrong.
#33
zombiegleemax
Mar 12, 2004 1:17:01 quote:
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Originally posted by Ranger REG
Sorry, but nothing says DL like Elmore.
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No need to apologize, its okay to be wrong.

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Ok...this is kinda unnecessary....art is subjective and what one person finds to be a good fit for DL doesnt necessarily fit everyone's vision. Elmore is a good artisit....while I admit he isnt my favorite for Dragonlance. But his art IS definitive for the setting. Whenever I think of Raistlin Its definitely an Elmore piece that I am imagining.......

But if I want to picture the landscapes of krynn....It's Stawicki all the way for me....It just depends on the strengths of the artist...each one of them tends to have a particular strength for DL.....Like Parkinson...and his piece Raistlin's Farewell......that totally captured that moment.
#34
ranger_reg
Mar 12, 2004 1:17:12 No, I'm just sorry that we don't agree.
#35
zombiegleemax
Mar 12, 2004 1:23:43
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
Ok...this is kinda unnecessary....art is subjective and what one person finds to be a good fit for DL doesnt necessarily fit everyone's vision.

I was kidding. Of course Elmore's signature DL work is legendary, and I like his Laurana in the AoM as well as his great new cover for the DLA Boxed Set.

I do think Stawicki has surpassed him, however. There's a reason they chose his art to replace all the old Elmore and Easley covers....
#36
lorac75
Mar 15, 2004 7:50:58 bump
#37
raistlinrox
Mar 15, 2004 9:54:31 Where is Raistlin's Farewell?
#38
brimstone
Mar 15, 2004 10:37:31
Originally posted by raistlinrox
Where is Raistlin's Farewell?

It's in the original Art of the Dragonlance Saga book. It was never a cover of a module or book...so it was most likely a calendar painting by Keith Parkinson...at least I think it is by him. It's not on his website...

Anyway, it's a great pick of Caramon (not a big fan of Raistlin in that one though). And the half naked Tika is pretty nice.

It also has probably the most compelling painting of Tas ever, imho.
#39
ranger_reg
Mar 15, 2004 18:22:21
Originally posted by Kai Lord

I do think Stawicki has surpassed him, however. There's a reason they chose his art to replace all the old Elmore and Easley covers....

Because Elmore's arts are more expensive?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 lorac75 Mar 09, 2004 12:55:57	When can we expect to get a peek at the cover to this Sourcebook? Also, who is the cover artist?
#2 zombiegleemax Mar 09, 2004 13:47:52	I hope they go Stawicki or Parkinson.
#3 lorac75 Mar 09, 2004 13:57:32	I'm an Elmore man myself.
#4 cam_banks Mar 09, 2004 13:59:26	Rumor is it will be Erol Otus' premier Dragonlance moment of fame. Just kidding. Although, there's a thought. Cheers, Cam
#5 zombiegleemax Mar 09, 2004 14:10:45	Originally posted by Cam Banks Rumor is it will be Erol Otus' premier Dragonlance moment of fame. Or maybe they'll really go all out and commission Doug Kovacs. Nothing says Dragonlance to me like the Sivak Draconian and Silver Dragon in the DLCS. :D
#6 daedavias_dup Mar 09, 2004 14:15:30	Originally posted by Kai Lord I hope they go Stawicki or Parkinson. I hope they go with Stawicki, I tend to like his covers more. Elmore's interior art is definitely amazing, though.
#7 brimstone Mar 09, 2004 14:20:28	Although they all have their moments, Easly, Stawicki, Elmore, Parkinson, Caldwell... Parkinson is my favorite Draconian artist (his dragons rock too). Caldwell's dragons are my favorite designs. No one does Overlords like Easly. Stawicki's art is just so cool. But when it comes to the War of the Lance...Larry Elmore is the one that comes to mind for me.
#8 lorac75 Mar 09, 2004 14:21:16	Erol Otus rocks. Personally, I'd take that 70's 1st ed./Hackmaster art over the overglossed color of 3rd ed. I just get enough of tap dancing Umber Hulks, but maybe that's just me. The Troll from the original MM is the best Troll drawing ever and I was stoked when I saw they had used that for BG 2.
#9 zombiegleemax Mar 09, 2004 14:31:00	Originally posted by Brimstone But when it comes to the War of the Lance...Larry Elmore is the one that comes to mind for me. Yes but we got so many WOTL pieces from Elmore in the 80's, and his current work just hasn't quite matched it. Stawicki is at the top of his game, and is responsible for the current "face" of Dragonlance. To really sell the idea of playing characters in the same world of the novels, I hope the cover art is consistent between both lines. If they go "old school" I hope they surprise us all with Parkinson, otherwise Stawicki all the way. His Silvara on the cover of The Search for Magic is the best ever representation, as is his Goldmoon on Dragons of a Lost Star. And his dragons are distinct and awesome, as are Parkinson's and Caldwell's.
#10 The_White_Sorcerer Mar 09, 2004 14:37:42	Originally posted by Brimstone No one does Overlords like Easly. Stawicki's art is just so cool. But when it comes to the War of the Lance...Larry Elmore is the one that comes to mind for me. 1. And that's a good thing. I hate Easly's dragons. 2. Agreed. 3. True, unfortunately. Never liked the guy's art, most likely never will (except for the White Robe Raistlin that will be in Towers of High Sorcery. And that's just because of the subject of the picture).
#11 brimstone Mar 09, 2004 14:38:48	Originally posted by Kai Lord Or maybe they'll really go all out and commission Doug Kovacs. Nothing says Dragonlance to me like the Sivak Draconian and Silver Dragon in the DLCS. Again...proof that good art is definately in the eye of the beholder. Personally...I don't like the silver dragon...and the only thing I like about the Sivak is that it's silver (a rarity, sometimes...just look at Ragh on the cover of Redemption...he's green for cryin' out loud). Anyway...as far as the DLCS goes, my favorite dragons are the white, brass, and gold. Oh...and that red is just a monster. I like Easly's red dragons (and Overlords...and the cover of the Bestiary of Krynn is pretty damn cool). And I love the blue dragon used in the "Dragon Rider" picture. Which is on the WotC website...but I don't remember if it was in the book or not. Anyway...it's obviously based off of Elmore's original blue dragon design...which is cool. As far as dragon designs go...here's how I pick them: Red: Easly's "Dragons of Flame" Blue: Elmore's "Dragonlance" and "Dragons of Winter Night" White: Elmore's "Dragons of Ice" Green: Caldwell's "Dragons of Dreams" Black: Caldwell's "Dragons of Despair" Or, you can just look at Caldwell's "Dragons of Triumph" and see all the above five designs roled into one on Tiamat...uh I mean Takhisis. heh heh Gold: I like the DLCS version...but I don't know who painted it. Silver: Lockwoods "Chaos Spawn" Brass: Parkinson's "Dagons of Hope" Copper: Elmore's "Dragons of War" Bronze: Well, we don't really have one I like...Shattraklangg on the cover of The Last Tower isn't really anything special...and I'm not too fond of the DLCS one...well, on second glance...I'd say from neck up is pretty close to my interpretation of a bronze dragon...chin tenticles and all (taken straight from the old Dragonlance comic book). But that's just me... ;)
#12 zombiegleemax Mar 09, 2004 14:43:20	Originally posted by Brimstone Again...proof that good art is definately in the eye of the beholder. Personally...I don't like the silver dragon...and the only thing I like about the Sivak is that it's silver I was joking. I don't think anybody likes those two Kovacs pieces. Even his mother reportedly coughed up her raspberry mocha when she saw them.
#13 brimstone Mar 09, 2004 14:45:08	Originally posted by Kai Lord His Silvara on the cover of The Search for Magic is the best ever representation, as is his Goldmoon on Dragons of a Lost Star. And his dragons are distinct and awesome, as are Parkinson's and Caldwell's. That wasn't Silvara...it was Arlena Plata. Same dragon...but different form. But I agree...she was beautiful. As for Stawicki's dragons, personally I think that's his one failing...at least as far as my likes are concerned. I do not like any of his dragons. The characters that he paints are all quite good though. His Goldmoons (although neither of them looked alike...but given the circumstances, that's okay) are my favorite.
#14 zombiegleemax Mar 09, 2004 14:58:43	Originally posted by Brimstone That wasn't Silvara...it was Arlena Plata. Same dragon...but different form. But I agree...she was beautiful. Yep, his characters are definitely the best. Originally posted by Brimstone As for Stawicki's dragons, personally I think that's his one failing...at least as far as my likes are concerned. I do not like any of his dragons. Really? I think his Reds on the cover of Dragons of a Vanished Moon and The Eve of the Maelstrom are simply phenomenal.
#15 zombiegleemax Mar 09, 2004 15:20:57	Gotta agree about giving Stawicki some love for his dragons....Hia are my favorite out there....as well as his interpretations of every character he has painted thus far. I am really not a big fan of Elmore...although I agree that Dragons of Triumph was his triumph....and the DL DM Screen painting.....except for the dragons on it. I dunno, his dragons all seem to me to be fat stupid looking monsters rather than impressive reptiles that one can feel fear and awe for simultaneaously.
#16 baron_the_curse Mar 09, 2004 15:48:30	I agree, I love Elmore, but his dragons lack sometimes. Aside from the bloated observation I think most of his dragons also all look alike with just different scale colors.
#17 loreseeker Mar 09, 2004 17:25:41	I prefer Elmore. Regarding the current "face" of DL: Stawicki is a good artist, yes, but his covers look too, well, modern for my taste. E.g. hairstyle of the knight on the covers of the War of Souls Tril. And his dragons ... their OK - but I prefer Elmore's.
#18 wolffenjugend_dup Mar 09, 2004 19:30:26	I agree, Elmore rocks!
#19 zombiegleemax Mar 09, 2004 22:39:17	I like Elmore alright enough, but its his artwork now that isnt up to snuff I think....they are definitely not the pieces he used to turn out. The DM Screen painting was great....but as I said the dragons he paints...and this has been pattern for him....his dragons are fairly interchangeable as far as color...and they all need Jenny Craig. And his work in AoM....I liked his new Laurana....that was top notch....I think he has always loved painting her....but his portrait of Mina was just IMHO awful...Stawicki really captured her essence for me.... But one thing we have to remember is art is subjective....so what one person finds utterly awesome may be trash to another
#20 ranger_reg Mar 10, 2004 0:36:35	When it comes to the War of the Lance, Elmore's artworks always comes to mind.
#21 zombiegleemax Mar 10, 2004 0:40:44	Originally posted by Ranger REG *When it comes to the War of the Lance, Elmore's artworks always comes to mind.* Elmore's artwork from the 80's or his current work?
#22 sweetmeats Mar 10, 2004 8:56:44	Elmore is my Dragonlance artist of choice. More Elmore!!!
#23 frostdawn Mar 10, 2004 12:00:19	Since we are essentially discussing tastes, here's my $.02. Easley- probably my least favorite Dragonlance artist of all time. His depictions of dragons look like human bodybuilders with claws, wings, tail and dragon heads. The physiology is all off. Elmore- mad props to Larry. He set the flavor of the classic Dragonlance. When one thinks of classic Dragonlance, who doesn't envision one of his MANY paintings. I agree with his cookie cutter style of dragon depictions though (interchangeable colors, etc) Something everyone might want to consider, he did suffer a stroke or heart attack or something while working on some Dragonlance paintings. He himself has admitted that he felt his work has suffered as a result ever since, and was never quite as good as it used to be. Lockwood- to me, his dragons are simply stunning. Hands down, he is my favorite all time Dragonlance artist. Everything he portrays has this mystical aura about it, fantasy through and through. His dragons in particular are just as I've always envisioned them. I could go on forever on how much I love his work. Stawicki- he's become to the new Dragonlance stuff what Elmore was to the classics. To me, his strength is really in depicting people, and the way he plays with the backgrounds of the paintings moreso than his peers. Nice style, but IMHO, it just doesn't compete with Lockwood.
#24 jrblasingame Mar 10, 2004 15:44:07	Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst Elmore .... And his work in AoM....I liked his new Laurana....that was top notch....I think he has always loved painting her....but his portrait of Mina was just IMHO awful...Stawicki really captured her essence for me.... I have to agree, although I don't usually look at artists names, Stawicki's Mina had me actually look for the name....very good (IMO). I like Elmore, but Stawicki has made a huge impression on me.
#25 ranger_reg Mar 10, 2004 15:58:19	Originally posted by Kai Lord Elmore's artwork from the 80's or his current work? Considering that DL began in the 80's (yeah, yeah, I lived long enough), Elmore have been the prominent artist for 4th Age DL.
#26 brimstone Mar 10, 2004 16:31:40	Originally posted by Baron the Curse I agree, I love Elmore, but his dragons lack sometimes. Aside from the bloated observation I think most of his dragons also all look alike with just different scale colors. See...I completely disagree with that...except in one case. I will concede that his re-printed Chronicles covers were of lower quality compared to the originals (as far as the dragons are concerned). They all do look interchangeable (even though they have the distiguishing features they had from before...ie. red jaw spikes, blue's beard, green's fin, etc.) This is shortly after his stroke, I believe. For a while there was a definate change in style. But I think he's back to where he was beforehand. Just look at his Sovereign Stone stuff...excellent. Anyway, his original paintings, the dragons definately have character...depending on color...it's going to be different. Oh, and Serena Darkmyst, "Dragons of Triumph" is painted by Clyde Caldwell (although the dragon designs are all Elmore's except for the Black and Green dragons).
#27 zombiegleemax Mar 11, 2004 0:10:32	Originally posted by Ranger REG Considering that DL began in the 80's (yeah, yeah, I lived long enough), Elmore have been the prominent artist for 4th Age DL. The point was that Elmore doesn't draw quite as well as he did in the 80's, so in choosing an artist for the upcoming WOTL sourcebook that's definitely a factor. I really like Elmore's cover for the new DL boxed set, but I hope they get Stawicki. Or Parkinson.
#28 zombiegleemax Mar 11, 2004 0:13:20	Originally posted by Brimstone Oh, and Serena Darkmyst, "Dragons of Triumph" is painted by Clyde Caldwell (although the dragon designs are all Elmore's except for the Black and Green dragons). Thanks....I must have totally had a brainstem explosion there.
#29 lorac75 Mar 11, 2004 7:56:46	I hope the cover to the book is half as cool as this: http://www.dragonlance.com/d20/product.asp?id=SVP-4802&showimage=yes Sturm, Flint, Raist, and a little Onyx.
#30 brimstone Mar 11, 2004 11:07:59	Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst Thanks....I must have totally had a brainstem explosion there. I have them often, too. They must be contagious.
#31 ranger_reg Mar 12, 2004 1:02:55	Originally posted by Kai Lord I really like Elmore's cover for the new DL boxed set, but I hope they get Stawicki. Or Parkinson. Sorry, but nothing says DL like Elmore.
#32 zombiegleemax Mar 12, 2004 1:05:26	Originally posted by Ranger REG Sorry, but nothing says DL like Elmore. No need to apologize, its okay to be wrong.
#33 zombiegleemax Mar 12, 2004 1:17:01	quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Ranger REG Sorry, but nothing says DL like Elmore. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No need to apologize, its okay to be wrong. **************************************************** Ok...this is kinda unnecessary....art is subjective and what one person finds to be a good fit for DL doesnt necessarily fit everyone's vision. Elmore is a good artisit....while I admit he isnt my favorite for Dragonlance. But his art IS definitive for the setting. Whenever I think of Raistlin Its definitely an Elmore piece that I am imagining....... But if I want to picture the landscapes of krynn....It's Stawicki all the way for me....It just depends on the strengths of the artist...each one of them tends to have a particular strength for DL.....Like Parkinson...and his piece Raistlin's Farewell......that totally captured that moment.
#34 ranger_reg Mar 12, 2004 1:17:12	No, I'm just sorry that we don't agree.
#35 zombiegleemax Mar 12, 2004 1:23:43	Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst Ok...this is kinda unnecessary....art is subjective and what one person finds to be a good fit for DL doesnt necessarily fit everyone's vision. I was kidding. Of course Elmore's signature DL work is legendary, and I like his Laurana in the AoM as well as his great new cover for the DLA Boxed Set. I do think Stawicki has surpassed him, however. There's a reason they chose his art to replace all the old Elmore and Easley covers....
#36 lorac75 Mar 15, 2004 7:50:58	bump
#37 raistlinrox Mar 15, 2004 9:54:31	Where is Raistlin's Farewell?
#38 brimstone Mar 15, 2004 10:37:31	Originally posted by raistlinrox Where is Raistlin's Farewell? It's in the original Art of the Dragonlance Saga book. It was never a cover of a module or book...so it was most likely a calendar painting by Keith Parkinson...at least I think it is by him. It's not on his website... Anyway, it's a great pick of Caramon (not a big fan of Raistlin in that one though). And the half naked Tika is pretty nice. It also has probably the most compelling painting of Tas ever, imho.
#39 ranger_reg Mar 15, 2004 18:22:21	Originally posted by Kai Lord I do think Stawicki has surpassed him, however. There's a reason they chose his art to replace all the old Elmore and Easley covers.... Because Elmore's arts are more expensive?