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Favored Psionic Class

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#1
nytcrawlr
Apr 06, 2004 23:22:27 Instead of just giving every race an additional FC in psion, I decided to break it down to all three psionic classes and based the psionic FC class according to the nature of the race.

Here is what I have so far:

Aarakocra Cleric or Wilder
Dwarf Fighter or Psychic Warrior
Elf Rogue or Psion
Elfling Any or Wilder
Githzerai Monk or Psion
Githyanki Fighter or Psychic Warrior
Half-Elf Any or Wilder
Half-Giant Barbarian or Psychic Warrior
Halfling Ranger or Wilder
Human Any & Psion
Illithid Psion
Mul Gladiator or Psychic Warrior
Pterran Druid, Ranger, or Psion
Rhul-thaun Nil on psionic class
Tarek Barbarian or Psychich Warrior
Thri-kreen Ranger or Psychic Warrior (Thor will be Psion)
Yuan-ti Psion

Now, this is not all the races I allow, but this is what I have so far.

Thoughts?
#2
Pennarin
Apr 07, 2004 0:05:02 You let out the Erudite, the 'wizard' of psionic-users?
#3
nytcrawlr
Apr 07, 2004 0:51:24
Originally posted by Pennarin
You let out the Erudite, the 'wizard' of psionic-users?

Never heard of it.

Where is this from?
#4
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Apr 07, 2004 1:04:33
Originally posted by Pennarin
You let out the Erudite, the 'wizard' of psionic-users?

Isn't that an EverQuest race?
#5
Pennarin
Apr 07, 2004 1:25:00 Its from this PH thread.

Although no one seems to know weither its a Dragon #319 new core class or an excerpt from the XPH.

If its really a core class (we'll know april 9!) then the total comes to 5 core classes: psion, psychic warrior, wilder, soulknife, erudite.
#6
nytcrawlr
Apr 07, 2004 2:59:29
Originally posted by Pennarin
Its from this PH thread.

Although no one seems to know weither its a Dragon #319 new core class or an excerpt from the XPH.

If its really a core class (we'll know april 9!) then the total comes to 5 core classes: psion, psychic warrior, wilder, soulknife, erudite.

Ah ok, it's another psi class.

Totally forgot that soulknife was a class now too, guess this opens it up a bit.
#7
Shei-Nad
Apr 07, 2004 10:35:16 I have had this double favored psionic class system for a while in my conversion, and I also updated it with the release of the class list of the XPsiHB.

However, I finally decided against giving different athasian races different psionic classes as favored classes. All my athasian races have wilder as an additionnal favored class. Here's why:

To me, wilders represent those that develop their wild talents on their own, trying without schooling, or that of other wilders, to augment their own psionic power, with more raw than refined successes. I feel that the class does even reflect this mechanically with its wild surge and psychic enervation features. I short, this class represents the development of natural psionic abilities.

Now, other psionic classes seem like disciplines to me. Psions would be tarandan scions to me, with the 6 psionic disciplines and a more rigourous study of the way. Psychic warriors also don't naturally develop psionic powers, but rather learn to apply them to their fighting skills, and even select their powers to that end, and have specific powers only available to their own methods. Soulknifes learn very specific abilities which are entirly focused on their mind blades, and all their psionic abilities are focused on that power. To me, these seem more like schooled abilities and classes than raw and almost random development of natural abilities and aptitudes.

As for favored classes, I would not bar any of the other 3 classes from the favored class list of a race which does more often than not take up the study of psionics. Illithids (though I don't personnally want them in DS) could very well have psions as a favored class.

However, I don't see any race, short of maybe humans, who go into psionic schooling more than other paths (classes). If athasian humans had to have a set favored class, it could have been psion, but since they don't, I feel no race really would be enclined towards any psionic class as a favored class, and that is why none of them have a psionic favored class in the one favored class system (aside from athas.org's thri-kreen, which should be ranger :p)

Since their primary paths are all non-psionic, I feel that the second psionic class should represent their natural raw aptitude at psionics, much like sorcerer is the prestige class of ''draconic'' races in D&D, who all have potential for the spell-like abilities of their greater kin. This raw aptitude, to me, is best demonstrated in the wilder class.
#8
zombiegleemax
Apr 07, 2004 13:09:30 I am a bit reluctant to purchase this new Expanded Psionics Handbook. The $50 CAN price tag is a little much for my tastes, and besides, I have heard that the Malhavoc books are just as good, if not better. I've also been debating on checkin out the Psychic's Handbook over at Green Ronin. It got very good reviews and uses a drastically different psionics ruleset than the WOTC books (which I don't particularly like). Check it out.

www.gamingreport.com/ modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=957 - 37k - 6 Apr 2004
#9
psiseveredhead
Apr 07, 2004 14:09:07 People do know about the erudite.

It is a Dragon Magazine only class. It will not be in the XPH.
#10
nytcrawlr
Apr 07, 2004 14:45:18
Originally posted by (Psi)SeveredHead
People do know about the erudite.

It is a Dragon Magazine only class. It will not be in the XPH.

What Dragon #?
#11
Shei-Nad
Apr 07, 2004 19:03:00 319
#12
nytcrawlr
Apr 07, 2004 19:13:13
Originally posted by Shei-Nad
319

Still waiting for that one.

/me sighs
#13
nytcrawlr
Apr 13, 2004 10:17:28
Originally posted by Shei-Nad
However, I finally decided against giving different athasian races different psionic classes as favored classes. All my athasian races have wilder as an additionnal favored class.

Yeah, after thinking about it, I will probably do this as well, and only give a few of the races that are born good at psionics different psionic classes.

Also, looked at the Erudite, and overall it's crap. It's basically a wizard that manifests powers now instead of casting spells, oooh that's original.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 nytcrawlr Apr 06, 2004 23:22:27	Instead of just giving every race an additional FC in psion, I decided to break it down to all three psionic classes and based the psionic FC class according to the nature of the race. Here is what I have so far: Aarakocra Cleric or Wilder Dwarf Fighter or Psychic Warrior Elf Rogue or Psion Elfling Any or Wilder Githzerai Monk or Psion Githyanki Fighter or Psychic Warrior Half-Elf Any or Wilder Half-Giant Barbarian or Psychic Warrior Halfling Ranger or Wilder Human Any & Psion Illithid Psion Mul Gladiator or Psychic Warrior Pterran Druid, Ranger, or Psion Rhul-thaun Nil on psionic class Tarek Barbarian or Psychich Warrior Thri-kreen Ranger or Psychic Warrior (Thor will be Psion) Yuan-ti Psion Now, this is not all the races I allow, but this is what I have so far. Thoughts?
#2 Pennarin Apr 07, 2004 0:05:02	You let out the Erudite, the 'wizard' of psionic-users?
#3 nytcrawlr Apr 07, 2004 0:51:24	Originally posted by Pennarin You let out the Erudite, the 'wizard' of psionic-users? Never heard of it. Where is this from?
#4 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Apr 07, 2004 1:04:33	Originally posted by Pennarin You let out the Erudite, the 'wizard' of psionic-users? Isn't that an EverQuest race?
#5 Pennarin Apr 07, 2004 1:25:00	Its from this PH thread. Although no one seems to know weither its a Dragon #319 new core class or an excerpt from the XPH. If its really a core class (we'll know april 9!) then the total comes to 5 core classes: psion, psychic warrior, wilder, soulknife, erudite.
#6 nytcrawlr Apr 07, 2004 2:59:29	Originally posted by Pennarin Its from this PH thread. Although no one seems to know weither its a Dragon #319 new core class or an excerpt from the XPH. If its really a core class (we'll know april 9!) then the total comes to 5 core classes: psion, psychic warrior, wilder, soulknife, erudite. Ah ok, it's another psi class. Totally forgot that soulknife was a class now too, guess this opens it up a bit.
#7 Shei-Nad Apr 07, 2004 10:35:16	I have had this double favored psionic class system for a while in my conversion, and I also updated it with the release of the class list of the XPsiHB. However, I finally decided against giving different athasian races different psionic classes as favored classes. All my athasian races have wilder as an additionnal favored class. Here's why: To me, wilders represent those that develop their wild talents on their own, trying without schooling, or that of other wilders, to augment their own psionic power, with more raw than refined successes. I feel that the class does even reflect this mechanically with its wild surge and psychic enervation features. I short, this class represents the development of natural psionic abilities. Now, other psionic classes seem like disciplines to me. Psions would be tarandan scions to me, with the 6 psionic disciplines and a more rigourous study of the way. Psychic warriors also don't naturally develop psionic powers, but rather learn to apply them to their fighting skills, and even select their powers to that end, and have specific powers only available to their own methods. Soulknifes learn very specific abilities which are entirly focused on their mind blades, and all their psionic abilities are focused on that power. To me, these seem more like schooled abilities and classes than raw and almost random development of natural abilities and aptitudes. As for favored classes, I would not bar any of the other 3 classes from the favored class list of a race which does more often than not take up the study of psionics. Illithids (though I don't personnally want them in DS) could very well have psions as a favored class. However, I don't see any race, short of maybe humans, who go into psionic schooling more than other paths (classes). If athasian humans had to have a set favored class, it could have been psion, but since they don't, I feel no race really would be enclined towards any psionic class as a favored class, and that is why none of them have a psionic favored class in the one favored class system (aside from athas.org's thri-kreen, which should be ranger :p) Since their primary paths are all non-psionic, I feel that the second psionic class should represent their natural raw aptitude at psionics, much like sorcerer is the prestige class of ''draconic'' races in D&D, who all have potential for the spell-like abilities of their greater kin. This raw aptitude, to me, is best demonstrated in the wilder class.
#8 zombiegleemax Apr 07, 2004 13:09:30	I am a bit reluctant to purchase this new Expanded Psionics Handbook. The $50 CAN price tag is a little much for my tastes, and besides, I have heard that the Malhavoc books are just as good, if not better. I've also been debating on checkin out the Psychic's Handbook over at Green Ronin. It got very good reviews and uses a drastically different psionics ruleset than the WOTC books (which I don't particularly like). Check it out. www.gamingreport.com/ modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=957 - 37k - 6 Apr 2004
#9 psiseveredhead Apr 07, 2004 14:09:07	People do know about the erudite. It is a Dragon Magazine only class. It will not be in the XPH.
#10 nytcrawlr Apr 07, 2004 14:45:18	Originally posted by (Psi)SeveredHead People do know about the erudite. It is a Dragon Magazine only class. It will not be in the XPH. What Dragon #?
#11 Shei-Nad Apr 07, 2004 19:03:00	319
#12 nytcrawlr Apr 07, 2004 19:13:13	Originally posted by Shei-Nad 319 Still waiting for that one. /me sighs
#13 nytcrawlr Apr 13, 2004 10:17:28	Originally posted by Shei-Nad However, I finally decided against giving different athasian races different psionic classes as favored classes. All my athasian races have wilder as an additionnal favored class. Yeah, after thinking about it, I will probably do this as well, and only give a few of the races that are born good at psionics different psionic classes. Also, looked at the Erudite, and overall it's crap. It's basically a wizard that manifests powers now instead of casting spells, oooh that's original.