http://www.dragonlance.com/d20/enhancements/bestiary.asp
Its just so marvelously evil, a party wouldn't even know what hit them... if any survived... both fire and cold damage... man that's ruthless.
Oh I can't wait for the Beastiary... I just wonder how I will contain my maniacal laughter if I ever decide to throw one of these at my group.
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
The owl looks extremely clean and polished as if it had just come out of the shower 
Make the monsters more "adult", make them dirty with blood and gore, add a pile of munched bones at their feet. Do not make the clean and shaved and ready for inspection
Originally posted by Eaglos
Right....it's ok I guess, for a child book
Make the monsters more "adult", make them dirty with blood and gore, add a pile of munched bones at their feet. Do not make the clean and shaved and ready for inspection
It's a flaming owlbear corpse with ribs sticking out of it, man. What did you want?
Cheers,
Cam
You're not even going to see that kind of art in a D&D book (aside from the ones I mentioned). You certainly aren't going to see that in a Dragonlance book.
And I'm not even sure why something like that is necessary? (although I do enjoy BoVD and BoED...but as far as the art goes, I could take it or leave it, it really didn't do anything for me either way)
As for the Bestiary art I find it so far alright. The only one I didn't like at all was the Whisper Spider and the Venon Drac and the Forest Master are at the top of my list.
I understand what Eaglos wants but unfortunately the 3rd Edition comic style art lends itself well for that clean look. I miss 2nd Edetion art. Not gory, but epic. Oh, and very cool undead by way.
Guess I missed a few pics.
Anyway...on the whole, you're not going to get gory pictures. You rarely see blood...and if you do, it's usually just a stain on a weapon. (sometimes you see flowing blood...but not very often)
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Originally posted by Brimstone
Anyway...on the whole, you're not going to get gory pictures. You rarely see blood...and if you do, it's usually just a stain on a weapon. (sometimes you see flowing blood...but not very often)
I should add, however, that some of the creatures in the Bestiary are pretty damn scary-looking. Even without "vile" content.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Cam Banks
I should add, however, that some of the creatures in the Bestiary are pretty damn scary-looking. Even without "vile" content.
Cheers,
Cam
My own personal pick of the scariest-looking creature in the book? I'd have to say the Kani Doll. Good ol' fashioned nightmare fuel!
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
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Well, Cam, there are indeed some ribs out in the open but the body looked too clean. It's a monster for crying out loud, give it some dirt and grime at least. It reminded me of a teddy bear I had seen on a TV ad:D
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I guess I will have to live with the comic feel of 3rd.
*Sighs*
Originally posted by jechambers
My own personal pick of the scariest-looking creature in the book? I'd have to say the Kani Doll. Good ol' fashioned nightmare fuel!
Egad, it's "Child's Play" meets Dragonlance!
Chucky's baaaaaack!
Originally posted by Baron the Curse
Ahh..... the Kani Doll.... you bring back highschool memories of DL gaming and scaring the crap out of my players...
Is this Dragonlance or Ravenloft we are talking about ?
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Originally posted by LordofIllusions
Is this Dragonlance or Ravenloft we are talking about ?
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A kender player stole a Kani doll from a primitive tribe in my old DL campaign. As Dragonhelm said is Dragonlance meets Child’s Play. Camping in the dark woods suddenly became a very horrid experience for the party.
Originally posted by Baron the Curse
I'm sorry I meant to say a kender "borrow" a kani doll.
I think you just caused my kender companion to have a heart attack...:P
All this mention of old monsters and stuff really makes me want to find a SAGA Bestiary...
Originally posted by Eaglos
I guess I will have to live with the comic feel of 3rd.
*Sighs*
Yeah...I like the 3rd ed art...but it is definately different from what came before. (although I don't necessarily recall 2nd ed being any gorier than this). One thing I do like about the "comic" feel...is that it at least gives dissenters of D&D in gereral one less thing to point out that makes it "evil." Know what I mean?
Originally posted by Daedavias
All this mention of old monsters and stuff really makes me want to find a SAGA Bestiary...
They have them at www.hitpointe.com.
Originally posted by talinthas
you know, i wish that they had placed a little sentance somewhere stating the source of all the monsters. where does this one come from? i don't recall seeing it ever.
The ankholian undead template comes from a type of undead beast called the ankholox. It was turned into a template so that any corporeal undead could end up shrouded in green flame, rather than make it a specific undead creature on its own.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Brimstone
They have them at www.hitpointe.com.
...but I have to get my car fixed...and pay for school...
...must resist temptation...
[joke]I suppose there is always Kazaa[/joke]
When I cash in my vacation time, I will seriously consider getting the Bestiary. I wish they had DLA and TotL in stock, so I could get those so I could understand what the heck people are talking about when they quote stuff from it.
*Thinking of various ways to get his wife to add the Bestiary of Krynn to his birthday list*
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Here's the URL: http://www.nobleknight.com
A quick glance in the Role-Playing Games --> TSR --> Dragonlance section reveals novels and some really hard-to-find old products--including the DL Atlas! Collectors take note.
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
AND I CAN"T BUY IT! Thanks for the info though, I will keep both the site you gave me and the site Brim gave me in mind.
Originally posted by jechambers
Another place you might find out-of-print Dragonlance products is Noble Knight Games in Wisconsin. They purchased all of the old inventory from the Game Guild in Lake Geneva, which had a lot of Dragonlance-related items!
Here's the URL: http://www.nobleknight.com
A quick glance in the Role-Playing Games --> TSR --> Dragonlance section reveals novels and some really hard-to-find old products--including the DL Atlas! Collectors take note.
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Yes, I highly recommend them as well. I shop on their online store often. I’ve bought from them very obscure gaming products that I’ve yet to seen anywhere else.
Originally posted by Baron the Curse
Yes, I highly recommend them as well. I shop on their online store often. I’ve bought from them very obscure gaming products that I’ve yet to seen anywhere else.
I'd never heard of them before.
Thanks! New classic D&D supplier! :D
I honestly think the noble draconians are unoriginal and poorly thought out. The story says that they were created to supplement the draconian armies with more troops. Well when they started acting all noble why did they continue breeding them? For that matter dragons are well known to be extremely protective of their eggs and I can't see why they would allow them to be perverted in this manner rather than allowing them to grow into powerful dragons.
The Beastiary is definitely a book I'll have to read through on the shelf before deciding whether or not I'll buy it.
Originally posted by Taskr36
Is it just me or is this beastiary overloaded with templates?
I don't know about that. I'd definately hold judgement on whether or not it's "overloaded" until I see the list of creatures and see how many are templates.
It's kinda hard to judge that based off of only 5 entries. (which aren't randomly chosen)
I would think that there will be very few templates...simply based off of what creatures have come before that are Dragonlance specific.
Originally posted by Taskr36
Is it just me or is this beastiary overloaded with templates?
I think Brim summed this up nicely. ;)
I honestly think the noble draconians are unoriginal and poorly thought out. The story says that they were created to supplement the draconian armies with more troops. Well when they started acting all noble why did they continue breeding them?
Who says they did? ;)
For that matter dragons are well known to be extremely protective of their eggs and I can't see why they would allow them to be perverted in this manner rather than allowing them to grow into powerful dragons.
Takhisis may have used the eggs of dragons slain in battle.
The Beastiary is definitely a book I'll have to read through on the shelf before deciding whether or not I'll buy it.
A good idea for any RPG product.
Originally posted by Taskr36
Is it just me or is this beastiary overloaded with templates? So far the only creatures that haven't been templates are the whisper spider and the noble draconians.
There are only about a dozen templates in the book, and each of them has a sample creature written up using the template. So no, the book isn't overloaded with them. There's just a higher proportion of the preview creatures being templated creatures, that's all.
Since there is only one forestmaster I think it makes little sense for that to be a template when it should be a one of a kind creature.
There isn't just one, or at least that's kind of the point we're trying to make with it. The Heroes of the Lance only ever encountered one, of course, and she's the one we stuck in there as the sample. If you want that to be the only one, then you're golden. If you want some others, such as a swampmaster alligator or a reefmaster manta ray, then you can do that, too.
The worst template is the Ogre Titan contained in the Age of Mortals sourcebook. The ankholian undead are the best I've seen so far, I'm just a little concerned about how good this book will be when it is released.
I can quite imagine.
The Beastiary is definitely a book I'll have to read through on the shelf before deciding whether or not I'll buy it.
The Bestiary (note spelling) is a book that folks are going to want to look at before they buy it, like any other purchase, but I think a lot of folks are going to like what they see.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Taskr36
I honestly think the noble draconians are unoriginal and poorly thought out. The story says that they were created to supplement the draconian armies with more troops. Well when they started acting all noble why did they continue breeding them?
Use your imagination. Perhaps they thought the first batch was a fluke, or if they were so desperate for more troops they tried to corrupt too many eggs at once (possibly contributing to them losing control of the magic and pulling celestial instead of demonic spirits into the draconians), or maybe master and creator didn't know they were of differing alignments until the field of battle, and the noble draconians realized they were fighting for the wrong side and turned on their commanders en masse...there really are a great deal of plausible scenarios.
Originally posted by Taskr36
For that matter dragons are well known to be extremely protective of their eggs and I can't see why they would allow them to be perverted in this manner rather than allowing them to grow into powerful dragons.
Right, because we all know that the loving and nurturing Takhisis would never resort to betraying her own dragons in secret.... ;)
Originally posted by Taskr36
I honestly think the noble draconians are unoriginal and poorly thought out. The story says that they were created to supplement the draconian armies with more troops. Well when they started acting all noble why did they continue breeding them? For that matter dragons are well known to be extremely protective of their eggs and I can't see why they would allow them to be perverted in this manner rather than allowing them to grow into powerful dragons..
Actually Noble Draconians were not bred continually. In my storyline concept for them, the dragonarmies actually exterminated many of them when they learned the "secret" that the noble draconians were given good souls. There should only be handful left alive in the Age of Mortals.
Dragons of all kinds are protective of their eggs, yet the good dragons had their eggs stolen. In my mind, noble draconians were created during the latter days of the war, in which many dead dragons had left behind unprotected clutches of eggs.
The concept may not work for everyone, and they are certainly easy to ignore. But I've used them for both stories and games and had a good time with them!
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Originally posted by JRBlasingame
this is pretty neat. It reminds me kind of the Dread Wolves. Are they going to be in the Bestery (sp)? You know come to think of it, I have only seen Dread Wolves in like 3 sources: 1) Legend of Huma, 2) Kaz the Minatour, 3) the computer game Champions of Krynn (and possibly the sequels too). Is there any other appearances by the Dread Wolves?
I think they may have popped up in the Dragonlance comics, though I'm not certain.
Originally posted by iltharanos
I think they may have popped up in the Dragonlance comics, though I'm not certain.
Dreadwolves do appear in the Legend of Huma comic series quite prominently. You will see them off and on throughout the series.