Are they in Silvanost?
Where is Gilthas, Alhana, Gilthanas, and the Lioness?
Correct me if I am wrong, but Gilthas is the nephew of Alhana and Gilthanas, right?
Have the Qualinesti and the Silvanesti become one nation of elves?
If someone could help, I need to know everything there is to now about the current situation involving the elven nations.
Thanks in advance.
Originally posted by darthsylver
Where exactly are the elves that left Silvanesti and Qualinesti anyway?
Are they in Silvanost?
Where is Gilthas, Alhana, Gilthanas, and the Lioness?
Correct me if I am wrong, but Gilthas is the nephew of Alhana and Gilthanas, right?
Have the Qualinesti and the Silvanesti become one nation of elves?
1. In exile, wandering around.
2. You mean Sargasanti? No way.
3. Gilthas is trying to get to the desert west of Silvanesti (the name escapes me) and the Lioness is with him. The other two I don't know about.
4. He's the nephew of Gilthanas and Porthios.
5. Not yet, although Gilthas is planning to make them so.
Originally posted by darthsylver
Where exactly are the elves that left Silvanesti and Qualinesti anyway?
The better question seems to be, where aren't they?
Many are enslaved in the former elven kingdom of Silvanesti and serving minotaur masters.
Many more seem to be in the plains of dust ruthlessly pushing the desert barbarians away from the grazing lands and watering holes they need to survive. They seem to be doing this in order to continue a guerrilla campaign against Silvanesti, since the Plains of Dust border it.
Many other elven diaspora groups are setting up shop in various human cities such as Flotsam and Palanthas. I presume that many families have settled in the innummerable small towns and villages on the way from Silvanesti to Palanthas, as well as elves settling villages of their own in any land with a friendly local lord.
Are they in Silvanost?
Many Silvanesti still are. 10,000 in Silvanost (Sargasanti) alone actually, and their life sucks.
Where is Gilthas, Alhana, Gilthanas, and the Lioness?
As said previously, Gilthas and the Lioness are in the plains of dust trying to convince the desert barbarians that an area with extremely scant resources could handle an influx of tens of thousands. Frankly, I'm with the desert barbarians on this one. They should fight tooth and nail to keep their watering holes and grazing lands and make sure the elves leave.
Gilthanas is hanging out with Silvara, who is now posing as a human Solamnic Knight. Presumably both are still around the Solamnic Stronghold in the island sub-continent of Southern Ergoth, known as Castle Eastwatch. God I hate Gellidus. Is he dead yet?
Alhana is listed under the Desolation entry in the geography chapter, so I presume she wandered there after abdicating the rule of the elves to Gilthas. Given the lethal nature of the landscape, she probably went there to die like she probably feels she should have in the nightmare of the Silvanesti forest. Like that tormented forest during the WotL, the Desolation is probably the most hellish place on Krynn at the present time. Then again, maybe Ahlana is listed there because the designers decided we needed stats for a tertiary character and just stuck it there arbitrarily. Which kinda sucks cause I'd rather know about what kind of people inhabit the desolation if she isn't there. Stats for Khotai chieftain or warrior perhaps.
Correct me if I am wrong, but Gilthas is the nephew of Alhana and Gilthanas, right?
Yes, as the son of Tanis Half-Elven and Laurana the Golden General, both deceased.
Have the Qualinesti and the Silvanesti become one nation of elves?
The way I see it, they've become many nations of elves. Both Qualinesti and Silvanesti follow Gilthas, though I'm not sure how many actually swear fealty to him. I suspect most have simply chucked the monarchy as irrelevant in light of their current circumstances.
I imagine the desert elves follow Gilthas for now, but frankly they are going to need a stronger military leader. The Lioness perhaps (who will eclipse her husband's authority) or another more ruthless commander. The city based elves probably have ethnic leaders (religious, criminal, or semi-official) and follow human laws now. There is still an elven colony in Southern Ergoth, though nobody seems to care because it doesn't even have a name.
Since we're only weeks away from its release, I'll go ahead and mention that I have written a short story that deals with some of these questions, titled "At the Water's Edge." It is appearing in the upcoming SEARCH FOR POWER: DRAGONS OF THE WAR OF SOULS anthology.
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
The bulk of the elves (those not spread out all over or slaves in Silvanost) are in the Plains of Dust encroaching on the desert barbarians.
Gilthas leads both the SIlvinesti and the Qualinesti.
Alhana has left the elves and went to the Desolation.
Gilthanas and Silvara are in Southern Ergoth somewehere.
Alright time for some new questions.
1. Samuval - Where, Stats, Still alive?
2. Porthios - Dead right?
3. Group of elves that follwed Alhana (you know that tried to bring down the shield) - Where are they?
4. General Konnal - Dead, Alive, still a pain in the butt?
Can't think of any more important elven figures. But if I missed one, please let me know.
Originally posted by darthsylver
2. Porthios - Dead right?
According to Mina (I think), no.
Originally posted by darthsylver
Alhana has left the elves and went to the Desolation.
Merely idle speculation on my part. Frankly I think Alhana's NPC stats under the desolation section of the DLCS was arbitrary, but it is fun to think of Alhana in the desolation, isn't it? ;)
1. Samuval - Where, Stats, Still alive?
3. Group of elves that follwed Alhana (you know that tried to bring down the shield) - Where are they?
With Alhana if she wants the company. If not, probably with Gilthas and the Lioness.
2. Porthios - Dead right?
Appearantly still alive at the beginning of the War of Souls, but who knows? Tough badass to kill at any rate. He seems to have lost the whole "handsome charismatic prince" thing in exchange for the brutal, scarred, insane insurrectionist. Of all the suggestions of Porthios' fate, him going "Heart of Darkness" as the new goblin leader is the one I like best.
4. General Konnal - Dead, Alive, still a pain in the butt?
Died of a stroke at the end of "Dragons of a Fallen Sun" when it was revealed that "not Cyan" turned out to be "Cyan". He was shocked in a way I never was, but I believe that was the point. They were so xenophobic that they ignored the demon in their midst because he kept away the scary intangible threats from beyond their borders.
Frankly, I think many of House Protector who served under him became ghetto crime lords and Sargonnas worshippers in the new world the elves find themselves in.
Can't think of any more important elven figures. But if I missed one, please let me know.
Well, how important do we need to get? I beleive all the elves from the Weis and Hickman books are covered. As for political, religious, military and cultural leadership among the elves, all we knew about the elves is pretty much caput. I'm sure some still try to follow the old ways, but it is pretty much impossible to do without some modification to their traditions given the splintering of their society and their new environments. I imagine the Silvanesti caste system is dissolving faster than sugar in sulfuric acid.
Originally posted by darthsylver
1. Samuval - Where, Stats, Still alive?
Do you mean Samar? Samuval's the human captain of the archer company that joined up with Mina at Sanction and is now in the former Qualinesti lands, having handed out the easternmost reaches of the forest to his men.
Cheers,
Cam
Stormhawk
Alhana has left the elves and went to the Desolation.
There is actually no evidence that Alhana is in the Desolation. According to Age of Mortals, she went off in search of Porthios (probably in or near Qualinesti), and has been missing ever since.
1. Samuval - Where, Stats, Still alive?
The DLCS makes Samuval an 11th level NE fighter.
God I hate Gellidus. Is he dead yet?
Gellidus is still alive
Originally posted by cnposner
According to the entry for Pax Tharkas under Qualinesti, the fortress is being competed for by dwarves, humans, goblins, and refugee elves: but in the entry for Thorbardin, it is controlled by dwarves. Can anyone explain this discrepancy?
I would just justify this as, the dwarves are currently in controll of Pax Tharkas, but their control is being questioned/competed for by the humans, goblins, and elves.
It's the cheap way out...but it works for me a lot. ;)
Originally posted by jechambers
Since we're only weeks away from its release, I'll go ahead and mention that I have written a short story that deals with some of these questions, titled "At the Water's Edge." It is appearing in the upcoming SEARCH FOR POWER: DRAGONS OF THE WAR OF SOULS anthology.
A non-gnomish anthology story!?! I am so there. ;)
That book comes out next month right? It's the first book completely post-War of Souls...I'm very much looking forward to the possible information that can be gleaned from it.
Sometimes it is hard to keep all the names straight without resorting to the books.
Cruely ironic that the monarchs of their two peoples that strove to bring them back into the old alliances are now both exiled from their homes.
So that's one source at least that suggests Gilthas made it to the other side of the Planes of Dust and is not in control of Pax Tharkas. Which would be a good place to start trying to reclaim control of Qualinesti. Remember though the capital city was destroyed there are still many smaller towns and villages that weren't evacuated and are still under the dark knights control.
He always seemed a bit arrogant and after ending up scarred physically perhaps he has been corrupted to "the dark side" (begun worshipping sargonnas as a spirit of vengeance type) and is trying to use the goblin tribes to recapture qualinost with his ego promising him that once that task has been accomplished it will prove a simple task to simply slaughter the goblins and begin a new reign of "true monarchy" amoung the elves. He is cautiously and behind the scenes building himself into the new Kingpriest without even knowing it. *insert evil DM grin here*
Originally posted by Brimstone
A non-gnomish anthology story!?! I am so there. ;)
That book comes out next month right? It's the first book completely post-War of Souls...I'm very much looking forward to the possible information that can be gleaned from it.
Actually, I received my author copies shortly after I posted my message about the anthology yesterday! I would guess that it should be in a bookstore near you within the next ten days. Enjoy!
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Originally posted by kendernbabe
I really like that one.
I was actually referring to the book "Heart of Darkness" by Joseph Conrad, on which the movie "Apocolypse Now" was loosely based on, not the state of Porthios' soul.
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/ConDark.html
That link should prove useful.
I don't know about Porthios turning to evil though. He always struck me as a good man that had a lot of pride and no room for compromise. Ruthless maybe, but I don't know about evil.
Of course, you never know.
However, the coming novel Lake of Death is to feature a fight between Dhamon Grinwulf and a goblin army: this is hard to reconcile with the goblins being on the side of the elves.
The Kingpriest wasn't evil either but, look at all the "evil" things he did in the name of "good".
I think it would make a great story to show the fall of a force for good (as I don't think we've really seen that in DL). Besides as most things go he could always be brought back to the light slowly thorughout the adventure/story.
Originally posted by Brimstone
I would just justify this as, the dwarves are currently in controll of Pax Tharkas, but their control is being questioned/competed for by the humans, goblins, and elves.
It's the cheap way out...but it works for me a lot. ;)
In fact, the Qualinesti entry says that the fortress is empty.
I would have thought in any case that the place for the elves was Nightlund.
The encounter tables in the Bestiary under Qualinesti and Silvanesti include "Elven Resistance", so it seems that not all the elves have fled.