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#1 zombiegleemax Apr 27, 2004 15:55:00	Jamie announced this link in the other thread:http://www.dragonlance.com/features/articles/display.asp?id=12340 Wow. I'm already salivating and I don't even know what half the monsters are. How much Ron Spencer art is in the book? And I'm curious as to what a number of the creatures are. Perhaps someone familiar with the name in another book or product or one of the authors could give a brief description of the following: Dragons: Feeder Hatori Tylor Races: Tayfolk Tayling Taylang Beasts: Funno Horax Kalothagh Magical Beasts: Wyndlass (I *know* I've seen this before, just can't place it) This is cool....can't wait.
#2 cam_banks Apr 27, 2004 16:01:34	Originally posted by Kai Lord How much Ron Spencer art is in the book? Ron has several pieces in the book, including the ursoi which is my hands-down favorite (and one of the ones I wrote). The feeder is from Nick O'Donohoe's short story, "Dagger-Flight". Hatori and tylor are long-established Krynnish dragonkin, the hatori being a giant desert crocodile and the tylor the offspring of a hatori and a true dragon. Tayfolk is the name for the race which the tayling and taylang belong to. They're the race of siblings, one of which is magical and the other of which is a bestial warrior. The funno is a favorite of mine from Otherlands, the horax is a giant centipede-like beast, and the kalothagh is the giant prickleback fish from DL12 Dragons of Faith. Magical Beasts: Wyndlass (I *know* I've seen this before, just can't place it) Think "freaking scary swamp octopus". Cheers, Cam
#3 zombiegleemax Apr 27, 2004 16:04:02	Wyndlass It was also Odila's last name. ;) ~~~
#4 brimstone Apr 27, 2004 16:05:19	(Edit: Cam did a better job of describing them than me...but I stand by my "Ultros the Wyndlass" idea. ) Magical Beasts: Wyndlass - kinda like a land/swamp octopus. Ever played Final Fantasy III/VI? Picture Ultros...and that's a decent idea of a wyndlass, I think. :D
#5 ferratus Apr 27, 2004 16:10:32	Dragons: Feeder - new Hatori - Sand Crocodile with a vicious whip-like tail Tylor - The crossbreed that happened when Cyan had a little too much elven wine and wandered into the deserts of Khur. Those poor violated Hatori suffering the predations of dragon beastiality. ;) Races: Tayfolk - A race of twins, in imitation of Caramon/Raistlin: Tayling - Brutish, Big and Beastial Taylang - beautiful elven mage chicks Beasts: Funno - underdark weiner rat-dog Horax - Insect thing Kalothagh - New Magical Beasts: Wyndlass: Quicksand Pit octopus with barbed tentacles. Looking it over, about half the monsters seem to be brand new. Which could be a very good thing.
#6 brimstone Apr 27, 2004 16:14:23	Originally posted by ferratus Looking it over, about half the monsters seem to be brand new. Which could be a very good thing. I don't know...I definately recognize well over half (not all mind you...but almost all) the entries. So I wouldn't say they're new. Unless by new you mean "seen before in a book, but never had stats before."
#7 ferratus Apr 27, 2004 16:37:17	Originally posted by Brimstone Unless by new you mean "seen before in a book, but never had stats before." That is indeed what I mean. There are some too that I'm pretty sure I've seen before, but I'm not entirely sure. For example the Feeder could be that dagger-looking creature that was drinking blood in the Tales anthology. The Child of Chemosh probably refers to the Steve Miller stories about what came crawling out of Raekel's Pit. The monsters which I do not recognize at all are: Dragon Vassal - Super Dragon Spawn? Subordinate dragon template? Tyinv Kalothagh Mandibear - a cross between a bug and a bear? Black Willow Bloodrager Magori Qlippoth Demon, Malrauthin Dragon Ravager Now the Dragon Thrall and the Scourge of Chaos I don't recognize either, but I have a fairly good guess as to what their concept would be.
#8 brimstone Apr 27, 2004 16:49:57	Yes, that's what the Feeder is (Cam confirmed as much above). He also states that the Kalothagh is from DL12...some freaky fish thing. For some reason...the Mandibear and the Black Willow both sound familiar. The Magori are the crab like chaos creatures from Reavers of the Blood Sea.
#9 ferratus Apr 27, 2004 17:00:43	Yes, the K-fish I found in DL Monstrous Compendium. Basically it is a giant 12 foot long puffer fish that shoots spikes. Aside from the Phaeton and the Kodragon, pretty much all the monsters from the DL Monstrous Compendium have been covered.
#10 zombiegleemax Apr 27, 2004 17:02:02	Originally posted by Brimstone The Magori are the crab like chaos creatures from Reavers of the Blood Sea. Didn't the Magori exist before th Choas War? They were the enemies of the sea elves as well, were they not? How civilized would the be? I always considered them a "lost" race, similar to the thanoi.
#11 zombiegleemax Apr 27, 2004 17:40:03	Can't see the Frost Wight in this list. Did I miss something? Simon Collins
#12 zombiegleemax Apr 27, 2004 19:17:12	What about the Bakali? It says right in the description of the book on margaretweis.com, but they are not in the table of contents
#13 cam_banks Apr 27, 2004 19:29:04	Originally posted by Hrumachis What about the Bakali? It says right in the description of the book on margaretweis.com, but they are not in the table of contents No, because Krynn's bakali use lizardfolk stats from the 3.5 Monster Manual. Bakali is just the Krynnish name for D&D lizardfolk, in other words. There are variants of the 'common' bakali race, but they didn't make it into the book, much as the phaethon didn't, in the final editing process. Cheers, Cam
#14 Dragonhelm Apr 27, 2004 20:00:33	Just an FYI, the link above was a temporary location. You can see the Table of Contents at our Bestiary of Krynn page on Dragonlance.com. Bestiary of Krynn Table of Contents
#15 zombiegleemax Apr 27, 2004 20:57:19	Originally posted by Cam Banks No, because Krynn's bakali use lizardfolk stats from the 3.5 Monster Manual. Bakali is just the Krynnish name for D&D lizardfolk, in other words. There are variants of the 'common' bakali race, but they didn't make it into the book, much as the phaethon didn't, in the final editing process. Cheers, Cam For those pining for the Phaethons, they need not wait for very long! They are fully detailed in KEY OF DESTINY out next month! Jamie Chambers Sovereign Press, Inc.
#16 iltharanos Apr 28, 2004 1:54:35	Originally posted by jechambers For those pining for the Phaethons, they need not wait for very long! They are fully detailed in KEY OF DESTINY out next month! Jamie Chambers Sovereign Press, Inc. Cool, that coupled with the Kirath prestige class may mean the breaking of my personal rule to avoid buying adventure modules.
#17 The_White_Sorcerer Apr 28, 2004 4:36:50	The kingfisher, along with its familiar info, had better be in the Mundane Animal section, or else... :fight!:
#18 zombiegleemax Apr 28, 2004 6:50:58	Originally posted by SimonCollins Can't see the Frost Wight in this list. Did I miss something? Simon Collins The frost wight is actually a sub-section of the shadow wight. It's in there! Jamie Chambers Sovereign Press, Inc.
#19 sweetmeats Apr 28, 2004 8:31:29	Thanks for posting that. Can't wait for this to get into my hands.
#20 brimstone Apr 28, 2004 9:21:45	Originally posted by jechambers The frost wight is actually a sub-section of the shadow wight. It's in there! Does that mean there's a possible Fire wight as well, as Terry speculated earlier? (like Shadow, Fire, and Frost dragons?) Just curious. I know I know...I should just wait until Friday (or whenever). :D
#21 zombiegleemax Apr 28, 2004 9:28:15	Originally posted by Brimstone Does that mean there's a possible Fire wight as well, as Terry speculated earlier? (like Shadow, Fire, and Frost dragons?) Just curious. I know I know...I should just wait until Friday (or whenever). :D No fire wight, but actually that's a pretty cool idea! Jamie Chambers Sovereign Press, Inc.
#22 cam_banks Apr 28, 2004 9:29:31	Originally posted by jechambers No fire wight, but actually that's a pretty cool idea! Well, you know where I am... ;) Cheers, Cam
#23 brimstone Apr 28, 2004 9:43:38	Originally posted by jechambers No fire wight, but actually that's a pretty cool idea! That's what I was thinking. As per usual...someone mentions a new addition to DL and my first knee jerk reaction is recoil. Then I thought about it for a minute and thought, "Wait...that's actually a pretty cool idea!" I smell a web enhancement... ;)
#24 zombiegleemax Apr 28, 2004 12:16:47	I too smell a web enhancement...and said web enhancement could possibly include the poor poor homeless kodragon couldnt it?
#25 cam_banks Apr 28, 2004 12:18:26	Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst I too smell a web enhancement...and said web enhancement could possibly include the poor poor homeless kodragon couldnt it? It doesn't look too good for the kodragon, Serena. Cheers, Cam
#26 zombiegleemax Apr 28, 2004 12:24:07	Eh...ya win some, ya lose some...No big deal...I'm sure there is a soup kitchen for the odd little fellas somewhere. Now that I think of it....I have a question for you designers....When you started work on the bestiary how large was the list of monsters as compared to what is in the book now?
#27 zombiegleemax Apr 28, 2004 12:30:48	It was pretty sizeable considering that the original list was just a brainstorm of every possible monster (as well as some of the original ones) to include. The intention was to have more than could fit in, in order for Jamie to sort the best out of the lot and hand us a list of approved monsters. As the process went on, certain things came up here and there that required us to take a few additional monsters out, as well as our own self-policing (with Cam being "good cop" and me being "bad cop" when we tried to figure out what to limit.) I think playing off of each other's strengths like this ensured that only the best stuff got through.
#28 zombiegleemax Apr 28, 2004 12:47:44	Well...and I know this is hilarious as the Bestiary has just been released....I see people talking about web enhancements with critters not in the book...and I now see that there were a bunch of critters not included in the first....Could it be possible that SP is going to go the route that WotC has gone and publish a Bestiary of Krynn II? I'd buy it...
#29 zombiegleemax Apr 28, 2004 13:34:27	The Magori were the unholy servants of the Coil, which was the great beast that served Ionthas (Chaos). The Magori were unknown of before the Chaos War, and were believed to have created at some stage by the Graygem. They are seven foot tall giant crustaceans, with five eyes and massive pincers with which they can use weaponry or just crush enemies. They have no established civilisation as such, and live only to serve the Coil. The Coil itself, perished during the Chaos War, as did many of the Magori, so it is uncertain what the survivors will do. The Magori are known to reside in the depths of the Blood Sea, yet they have not been seen since the close of the Summer of Chaos. Found this info on a website. They're in the Reavers too, as Slapstick Mentioned, along with Morkoth, the nasty thing they battled, which is in the Monster Manual II (3.0 Core).
#30 brimstone Apr 28, 2004 14:26:31	Originally posted by Darlantan They're in the Reavers too, as Slapstick Mentioned, along with Morkoth, the nasty thing they battled, which is in the Monster Manual II (3.0 Core). Who are you calling "Slapstick?" Anyway...the chaos beast (from the MM) is a good substitute for the Coil, I think.
#31 daedavias_dup Apr 29, 2004 21:29:38	Originally posted by Brimstone Who are you calling "Slapstick?" He is referring to Slapstick_80... Great googly moogly! When you guys said this thing was packed with monsters, you weren't kidding. I seriously need to start saving cash to add this one to my collection. I am intrigued quite a bit by a lot of the monsters on the list.
#32 zombiegleemax Apr 29, 2004 23:19:14	Originally posted by Brimstone Who are you calling "Slapstick?" Sorry, was reading his quote from you ;) heheh
#33 brimstone Apr 30, 2004 16:47:45	Originally posted by Darlantan Sorry, was reading his quote from you ;) heheh Actaully...I didn't even see his/her post. I didn't realize there actually was someone called "Slapstick" I just thought you were calling me that...which was weird (or a reference that went way over my head) :D
#34 zombiegleemax Apr 30, 2004 20:38:45	That would be me:D Thanks Darlantan. What site did you find that info? I figured that much of it was found in the Reavers but that one of the fifth age books i didn't catch. Aren't they mentioned in the Lost Histories, Dargonesti or some such? I vaguely remember them battling the sea elves.... As for the beastiary....CAN'T WAIT! I love the info that I've read so far. Especially the idea of the noble draconians. Will there be detailed info on each of them? Each have their own art? Oh, the name Slapstick came from on old Marvel Comics superhero that made it in a total of 4 comics. Go fig. :D
#35 zombiegleemax Apr 30, 2004 21:08:03	http://www.dreadgazebo.com/astinus/folk.html was where I found it, but I do recall reading about them somewhere, in one of the many novels. As I'm sure many of the folks here will tell you, once you get around the 100 novels read mark, you start forgetting some of the other lesser details ;) heheh Yeah, the Noble Draconians are one of the things I'm most looking forward to reading about, my local hobby store has said they will try to get the book ASAP for me! (They're pretty good to their customers (especially those who have spent about $600 bucks in DnD Miniatures lol)). DragonLance.com posted a preview of the Venom Draconian, w/ image.
#36 Dragonhelm Apr 30, 2004 23:11:17	Originally posted by Slapstick_80 Oh, the name Slapstick came from on old Marvel Comics superhero that made it in a total of 4 comics. Go fig. :D Bad part is, I think I remember that character. :D
#37 zombiegleemax Apr 30, 2004 23:27:20	Originally posted by Dragonhelm Bad part is, I think I remember that character. :D Remember that character, or are that character?
#38 Dragonhelm Apr 30, 2004 23:36:19	Originally posted by Andre La Roche Remember that character, or are that character? No comment, Speedball. :P
#39 zombiegleemax May 01, 2004 7:13:17	Originally posted by Dragonhelm No comment, Speedball. :P Oy, don't diss on the Speedball! He really got to be cool after New Warriors, and in the hands of good writers... so watch out! *laughs* Speedie's one of my fave characters, up there with Apollo & Midnighter, but I do remember how he started *shudders* Thank god for the writers of New Warriors, who made Rage, Speedie, Firestar, and Namorita all some pretty kickin' characters! Christopher PS: Oh. Er. Um. Dragonlance. Bestiary. Got my copy, looks incredible. Congrats to all involved, myself included!
#40 zombiegleemax May 01, 2004 8:49:55	Thanks for the link Darlantan, after reading the page I was thinking of the Chilkits, another race of "lobster-like" creatures.
#41 Dragonhelm May 01, 2004 9:13:27	Originally posted by Stormprince Oy, don't diss on the Speedball! He really got to be cool after New Warriors, and in the hands of good writers... so watch out! I actually like Speedball quite a bit too. New Warriors was a cool series. Back to DL... I like the look of the chaos creatures (i.e. daemon warrior, etc.). Looks like the same artist did all of those. I like that, as it provides a unified look.
#42 zombiegleemax May 01, 2004 11:29:16	It seems like the best way to appease everyone on this thread is by merging the two running topics. So, Dragonlance monsters that wear blue and orange spandex and jump really far and really fast. How about 'em?
#43 The_White_Sorcerer May 01, 2004 12:06:47	Originally posted by Dragonhelm I like that, as it provides a unified look. But isn't that a bad thing with chaos creatures? ;) My current DM and I are waiting eagerly for this book to fall into our hands so we can mine it for critters for our homebrew world. The chaos creatures will be a great addition to the hordes of Entropy.
#44 zombiegleemax May 02, 2004 1:51:27	Originally posted by Slapstick_80 Thanks for the link Darlantan, after reading the page I was thinking of the Chilkits, another race of "lobster-like" creatures. Hey, no problem! :D I learned a few things there myself. I didn't even realize the Aarakocra existed in Krynn.