|#1zombiegleemaxApr 29, 2004 10:55:09||Just for those who are interested to see what it could have been, look here:|
I don't know if any of you has a better scan, but i would like to use it for my "Ivid the undying".
Really undying this Ivid.
|#2HalberkillApr 29, 2004 11:00:27||That is so friggin cool.|
and yet sad at the same time.
|#3GreysonApr 29, 2004 11:10:21||That's a pretty cool cover. It's just like the covers of Iuz the Evil, City of Skulls, etcetera. |
I have never seen that before, and do not have or know where a better scan is. So, thanks for sharing that, Makoma. Gosh, it would be nice if WotC just released Ivid the Undying as commercial product!
|#4erik_monaApr 29, 2004 17:22:40||This is, so far as I know, a forgery created by someone who worked at a Neutral Ground retail store. The whole sordid story is available in the archives of this folder. I really wish the Acaeum would take that image down, since all it seems to do is perpetuate the myth that the product was ever released.|
The true cover of Ivid the Undying was actually painted by Jeff Easley, and appears as the cover of "Blood Enemies of Cerelia," a late-era Birthright product. In fact, in a Jeff Easley trading card set released by FPG in the mid/late 1990s, the "Blood Enemies" cover is actually called "Ivid the Undying."
So, as neat as this mock-up cover is to look at and fantasize about, it's little more than a forgery.
|#5eric_anondsonApr 29, 2004 17:58:50||The pros and cons about this veracity of this.|
First Erik does mention some pretty convincing facts against this photo. Another is that these photos are missing the required UPC.
However... were Ivid meant to be a boxed set, first, the art by Easley could have just as well been the cover art of the box, while this item may be of a booklet that would be in the box. This would also account for the missing UPC... but not why the booklet has the prices, which would have to be on the box.
Plus, many folks who worked at TSR at the time Ivid was in production (even those who worked on the Greyhawk line) have denied that they ever saw this, even as a mock-up. No former-TSR person has yet come forward claiming they saw this.
Too many facts are stacked against this being anything other than a creation of someone who didn't work at TSR.
|#6grodogApr 29, 2004 20:48:33|
Originally posted by Erik Mona
I'll ask Scott to clarify the info there further, so that it's clear that the book was never published....
|#7omoteMay 04, 2004 20:09:35||When I first saw this post, I thought the walls of reality had come crashing down. I had always thought the Ivid cover was the Easly cover of the Birthright book, but then I saw that mock up and was like "WoW, that is so friggin cool!!!" Eh, unfortunatly it is a fake, a convincing one at that, congrats to those at the Proving Grounds who worked on it. whew, got me...|
|#8grodogMay 04, 2004 22:46:05|
Originally posted by grodog
In case anyone wants to chime in on the Acaeum discussion I started on clarifying the faked Ivid, here's the link:
|#9GreysonMay 04, 2004 23:16:09||Well, the forgery fooled me. So, thanks for the clarification, gentelmen. It's pretty good artwork, whatever product it ended up gracing.|
That guy at Aceaum seemed kinda bent about us making comments over there. I hope we did not ruffle the feathers too much.
|#10zombiegleemaxMay 05, 2004 8:45:53||I think the cover is pimp, and if some are gullable to believe it (Ivid the Undying) were ever officially released, too bad. ;)|