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#1
zombiegleemax
May 06, 2004 21:34:30 I'm curious, and now I feel slow. Is what everyone telling me in other threads that the new Dragon Magazine and the Dungeon Magazine is the only DS material that WotC is bringing out????????????????????????????????????
#2
jihun-nish
May 06, 2004 21:37:46
Originally posted by Moont
I'm curious, and now I feel slow. Is what everyone telling me in other threads that the new Dragon Magazine and the Dungeon Magazine is the only DS material that WotC is bringing out????????????????????????????????????

Simply said, yes.

Why??

Dont know. But seeing what Dragon mag did with the setting, might as well be that way.
#3
zombiegleemax
May 06, 2004 21:41:27 NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Alright, I admit I've been slow to catch what everyone was trying to tell me.... and I say that I'll make the noose and supply the torches... :hoppingma Lets go get those responsible!
#4
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
May 06, 2004 22:54:39 That's why there is Athas.org. Just as official, and hundreds of times better than the Dragon and Dungeon magazine articles. Remember - the Dungeon and Dragon magazines are not owned by WotC, but rather Paizo. WotC only gave them the permission to publish articles, WotC didn't write it themselves.
#5
ranger_reg
May 07, 2004 1:02:56
Originally posted by Jihun-Nish

Why??

To help promote WotC's release of the Expanded Psionic's Handbook. 'Nuff said.
#6
jon_oracle_of_athas
May 09, 2004 2:34:40
I'm curious, and now I feel slow. Is what everyone telling me in other threads that the new Dragon Magazine and the Dungeon Magazine is the only DS material that WotC is bringing out????????????????????????????????????

Is there some form of relationship between you feeling slow and the excessive amounts of question marks in your post? Too slow to lift your finger? :D

[EDIT] No, that's not sarcasm - it's just me having fun at your expense. ;) Welcome to the boards!
#7
gilliard_derosan
May 09, 2004 6:15:06 So, Oracle of Athas. . . do you sense any weather pattern changes any time soon?... Just how long do we have to suffer through this ridiculous heat anyway?

Anyway, I have to second the statements that athas.org's material is much better than what you may have found in dragon or dungeon.

And, I don't think "just as" official is right, since athas.org has been around for.. what, 4 years now?.. More official to me than any substandard material less than a month old
#8
jon_oracle_of_athas
May 09, 2004 11:29:20
So, Oracle of Athas. . . do you sense any weather pattern changes any time soon?... Just how long do we have to suffer through this ridiculous heat anyway?

Depends on the outcome of Whispers of the Storm.
#9
nytcrawlr
May 09, 2004 12:35:10
Originally posted by Gilliard DeRosan
And, I don't think "just as" official is right, since athas.org has been around for.. what, 4 years now?.. More official to me than any substandard material less than a month old

They are both on the same level of officialness.

Just because one has been out longer doesn't mean it's more official, time has no meaning on this sort of thing.

Just clearing your misunderstanding up.
#10
jon_oracle_of_athas
May 09, 2004 15:16:44 Nyte is saying that because two things are labeled official, they are equally official. Legally, that's probably correct. However, there are other objective criteria one can use: Number of fans that support the conversion, the time the conversion has been about, size of the conversion etc. There are no standard criteria to evaluate this by. I'd say neither of you is wrong, it depends on the criteria used.
#11
nytcrawlr
May 09, 2004 15:26:21 Most of the time when I say something is official, I base it on the fact that it was published or endorsed by said owner of intellectual property, not based on fanbase or any of the other qualifiers you gave.

So in this case, both are official since they were both endorsed by WotC who is owner of the DS license, whether the endorsement went through athas.org to publish material on the web or through David Noonan to sell his work and get it (eh, well some of it anyways since it was butchered) published via Paizo. Both are official in my eyes.

I just *prefer* the athas.org version to the Paizo version, but that doesn't make it any more official over the other.
#12
jon_oracle_of_athas
May 10, 2004 11:50:13 Like I said, *legally* that's probably correct. Just accept the fact that other people might not give a z'tal's rear end about the legal aspect and could use other criteria to evaluate it. ;)
#13
nytcrawlr
May 10, 2004 17:09:34
Originally posted by Jon, Oracle of Athas
Like I said, *legally* that's probably correct. Just accept the fact that other people might not give a z'tal's rear end about the legal aspect and could use other criteria to evaluate it. ;)

Sorry, I don't consider the definition of official a subjective one, heh.

Creates confusion that way if it was.

;)
#14
jon_oracle_of_athas
May 10, 2004 18:05:02 Be narrowminded then. :D
#15
nytcrawlr
May 10, 2004 18:12:51
Originally posted by Jon, Oracle of Athas
Be narrowminded then. :D

Nah, that's people that actually think, for some odd reason that I can't quite understand, that the definition of official is a subjective one, when what they really want to say is they prefer x over y more.

Give it up, you're not going to win this one. :D
#16
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
May 10, 2004 19:25:04 People are misinterpreting the definition of "official" and believing that it is a synonym for "better", but it isn't.

of·fi·cial ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-fshl)
adj.

1. Of or relating to an office or a post of authority: official duties.
2. Authorized by a proper authority; authoritative: official permission.
3. Holding office or serving in a public capacity: an official representative.
4. Characteristic of or befitting a person of authority; formal: an official banquet.
5. Authorized by or contained in the U.S. Pharmacopoeia or National Formulary. Used of drugs.

n.

1. One who holds an office or position, especially one who acts in a subordinate capacity for an institution such as a corporation or governmental agency.
2. Sports. A referee or umpire.

[From Middle English, ecclesiastical officer, from Old French, from Latin officilis, an attendant of an office, from officium, duty, service. See office.]of·ficial·dom n.
of·ficial·ly adv.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

Entry: Official
Function: adjective
Definition: legitimate
Synonyms: OK'd, accredited, approved, authentic, authenticated, authoritative, authorized, bona fide, canonical, cathedral, ceremonious, certified, cleared, conclusive, correct, customary, decided, decisive, definite, endorsed, established, ex cathedra, ex officio, fitting, formal, legitimate, licensed, ordered, orthodox, positive, precise, proper, proper, real, recognized, rightful, sanctioned, suitable, true, valid
Concept: law entity
Source: Roget's New Millennium⁚ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.5)
Copyright © 2004 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

The bold text is the definition used in the capacity of defining a Dark Sun conversion as official. It is official because the proper authority (the people who own the Trademarks/copyrights, i.e. Wizards of the Coast) has approved it, or the creation of it. Unofficial would be anything that they don't actually approve for Dark Sun. For instance - my Dragon & Avangion write-ups are unofficial. It's not a subjective thing at all.
#17
nytcrawlr
May 10, 2004 20:33:47
Originally posted by xlorepdarkhelm
People are misinterpreting the definition of "official" and believing that it is a synonym for "better", but it isn't.

Amen my brother, I should have posted that earlier.
#18
jon_oracle_of_athas
May 11, 2004 5:14:33 I help one little newbie and that's what I get. Damn dictionaries. :D

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax May 06, 2004 21:34:30	I'm curious, and now I feel slow. Is what everyone telling me in other threads that the new Dragon Magazine and the Dungeon Magazine is the only DS material that WotC is bringing out????????????????????????????????????
#2 jihun-nish May 06, 2004 21:37:46	Originally posted by Moont I'm curious, and now I feel slow. Is what everyone telling me in other threads that the new Dragon Magazine and the Dungeon Magazine is the only DS material that WotC is bringing out???????????????????????????????????? Simply said, yes. Why?? Dont know. But seeing what Dragon mag did with the setting, might as well be that way.
#3 zombiegleemax May 06, 2004 21:41:27	NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Alright, I admit I've been slow to catch what everyone was trying to tell me.... and I say that I'll make the noose and supply the torches... :hoppingma Lets go get those responsible!
#4 xlorepdarkhelm_dup May 06, 2004 22:54:39	That's why there is Athas.org. Just as official, and hundreds of times better than the Dragon and Dungeon magazine articles. Remember - the Dungeon and Dragon magazines are not owned by WotC, but rather Paizo. WotC only gave them the permission to publish articles, WotC didn't write it themselves.
#5 ranger_reg May 07, 2004 1:02:56	Originally posted by Jihun-Nish Why?? To help promote WotC's release of the Expanded Psionic's Handbook. 'Nuff said.
#6 jon_oracle_of_athas May 09, 2004 2:34:40	I'm curious, and now I feel slow. Is what everyone telling me in other threads that the new Dragon Magazine and the Dungeon Magazine is the only DS material that WotC is bringing out???????????????????????????????????? Is there some form of relationship between you feeling slow and the excessive amounts of question marks in your post? Too slow to lift your finger? :D [EDIT] No, that's not sarcasm - it's just me having fun at your expense. ;) Welcome to the boards!
#7 gilliard_derosan May 09, 2004 6:15:06	So, Oracle of Athas. . . do you sense any weather pattern changes any time soon?... Just how long do we have to suffer through this ridiculous heat anyway? Anyway, I have to second the statements that athas.org's material is much better than what you may have found in dragon or dungeon. And, I don't think "just as" official is right, since athas.org has been around for.. what, 4 years now?.. More official to me than any substandard material less than a month old
#8 jon_oracle_of_athas May 09, 2004 11:29:20	So, Oracle of Athas. . . do you sense any weather pattern changes any time soon?... Just how long do we have to suffer through this ridiculous heat anyway? Depends on the outcome of Whispers of the Storm.
#9 nytcrawlr May 09, 2004 12:35:10	Originally posted by Gilliard DeRosan And, I don't think "just as" official is right, since athas.org has been around for.. what, 4 years now?.. More official to me than any substandard material less than a month old They are both on the same level of officialness. Just because one has been out longer doesn't mean it's more official, time has no meaning on this sort of thing. Just clearing your misunderstanding up.
#10 jon_oracle_of_athas May 09, 2004 15:16:44	Nyte is saying that because two things are labeled official, they are equally official. Legally, that's probably correct. However, there are other objective criteria one can use: Number of fans that support the conversion, the time the conversion has been about, size of the conversion etc. There are no standard criteria to evaluate this by. I'd say neither of you is wrong, it depends on the criteria used.
#11 nytcrawlr May 09, 2004 15:26:21	Most of the time when I say something is official, I base it on the fact that it was published or endorsed by said owner of intellectual property, not based on fanbase or any of the other qualifiers you gave. So in this case, both are official since they were both endorsed by WotC who is owner of the DS license, whether the endorsement went through athas.org to publish material on the web or through David Noonan to sell his work and get it (eh, well some of it anyways since it was butchered) published via Paizo. Both are official in my eyes. I just prefer the athas.org version to the Paizo version, but that doesn't make it any more official over the other.
#12 jon_oracle_of_athas May 10, 2004 11:50:13	Like I said, legally that's probably correct. Just accept the fact that other people might not give a z'tal's rear end about the legal aspect and could use other criteria to evaluate it. ;)
#13 nytcrawlr May 10, 2004 17:09:34	Originally posted by Jon, Oracle of Athas *Like I said, legally* that's probably correct. Just accept the fact that other people might not give a z'tal's rear end about the legal aspect and could use other criteria to evaluate it. ;)** Sorry, I don't consider the definition of official a subjective one, heh. Creates confusion that way if it was. ;)
#14 jon_oracle_of_athas May 10, 2004 18:05:02	Be narrowminded then. :D
#15 nytcrawlr May 10, 2004 18:12:51	Originally posted by Jon, Oracle of Athas Be narrowminded then. :D Nah, that's people that actually think, for some odd reason that I can't quite understand, that the definition of official is a subjective one, when what they really want to say is they prefer x over y more. Give it up, you're not going to win this one. :D
#16 xlorepdarkhelm_dup May 10, 2004 19:25:04	People are misinterpreting the definition of "official" and believing that it is a synonym for "better", but it isn't. of·fi·cial ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-fshl) adj. 1. Of or relating to an office or a post of authority: official duties. 2. Authorized by a proper authority; authoritative: official permission. 3. Holding office or serving in a public capacity: an official representative. 4. Characteristic of or befitting a person of authority; formal: an official banquet. 5. Authorized by or contained in the U.S. Pharmacopoeia or National Formulary. Used of drugs. n. 1. One who holds an office or position, especially one who acts in a subordinate capacity for an institution such as a corporation or governmental agency. 2. Sports. A referee or umpire. [From Middle English, ecclesiastical officer, from Old French, from Latin officilis, an attendant of an office, from officium, duty, service. See office.]of·ficial·dom n. of·ficial·ly adv. Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. Entry: Official Function: adjective Definition: legitimate Synonyms: OK'd, accredited, approved, authentic, authenticated, authoritative, authorized, bona fide, canonical, cathedral, ceremonious, certified, cleared, conclusive, correct, customary, decided, decisive, definite, endorsed, established, ex cathedra, ex officio, fitting, formal, legitimate, licensed, ordered, orthodox, positive, precise, proper, proper, real, recognized, rightful, sanctioned, suitable, true, valid Concept: law entity Source: Roget's New Millennium⁚ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.5) Copyright © 2004 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved. The bold text is the definition used in the capacity of defining a Dark Sun conversion as official. It is official because the proper authority (the people who own the Trademarks/copyrights, i.e. Wizards of the Coast) has approved it, or the creation of it. Unofficial would be anything that they don't actually approve for Dark Sun. For instance - my Dragon & Avangion write-ups are unofficial. It's not a subjective thing at all.
#17 nytcrawlr May 10, 2004 20:33:47	Originally posted by xlorepdarkhelm People are misinterpreting the definition of "official" and believing that it is a synonym for "better", but it isn't. Amen my brother, I should have posted that earlier.
#18 jon_oracle_of_athas May 11, 2004 5:14:33	I help one little newbie and that's what I get. Damn dictionaries. :D