For the last few years, it's not like he didn't have work to do.
First, the faith of his minions brings him back as a demi-god after thousands of years in limbo.
Then, he tries to become the overgod of the GH setting, is dragged into a fight with Iuz, and ends up a darklord in Ravenloft. To add insult to injury, his old "pal" Kas is right along with him and neither of them can harm the other.
He studies the place, manages to escape it and attempts to steal control of Sigil as well as become a greater god (obsessed, isn't he?)
Again, adventurers mess up his plans and he ends up "only" a lesser god.
You can bet your Staff of Power that he is bidding his time, with at least a dozen plots going to get/grab/steal more power.
If anything though, he'll be more careful about it. If you'll remember, when he was "but" a demi-god, there was already no way to keep a dirty secret from him. If I was him, I would bribe or blackmail my way to the top.
Just because we haven't heard about him lately doesn't mean he isn't up to no good. Remember what Mordenkainen had to say about the Horned Society. Now that they have gone into hiding, they are even worse than before. With Vecna, that statement is even truer I am afraid...
EDIT: oh, and I also bet he is still looking for his lost eye and hand...
Originally posted by Mortepierre
Then, he tries to become the overgod of the GH setting, is dragged into a fight with Iuz, and ends up a darklord in Ravenloft. To add insult to injury, his old "pal" Kas is right along with him and neither of them can harm the other.
Tell me what vecna does 18 years between fight with Ius and his imprisionment?
(btw why with Iuz? The module Vecna Lives have different ending and I read somwhere that Cutbert was involved).
The Vecna attemt to conquer Flanaress was in 581 CY
and he appear in Ravenloft only in 750 BC (599 CY)...
Who can tell me answer on this question?
Originally posted by Lordik
Tell me what vecna does 18 years between fight with Ius and his imprisionment?
(btw why with Iuz? The module Vecna Lives have different ending and I read somwhere that Cutbert was involved).
The Vecna attemt to conquer Flanaress was in 581 CY
and he appear in Ravenloft only in 750 BC (599 CY)...
Who can tell me answer on this question?
WGA4 Vecna Lives! had, it is true, several possible endings. However, the one with the highest probability of success was summoning Iuz and letting him deal with Vecna while the players were running for cover. From various sources written since that module was published, it appears that has become the "canon" solution adopted.
St Cuthbert, to the best of my knowledge, was never involved in that battle. Not even as a suggestion for a prospective end. Are you sure you're not thinking of the Iuz/St Cuthbert battle at the end of Temple of Elemental Evil ?
Now, as to the dates .. remember that the Ravenloft timeline is a difficult one at best. Several attempts were made throughout the years to pinpoint "crossroads" between RL and the timelines of the various worlds with which it interacted. Yet, even so, nothing "canon" was ever established.
Like you, I generally use the great RL timeline established by J. Mangrum of the Kargatane. According to it, Vecna fought Iuz on Oerth in 581 CY/732 BC, yet only appears in RL as darklord of Cavitius in 599 CY/750 BC. So, why the 18 years gap?
IMHO, that's one big error. Remember that Mangrum's GH main reference is the arrival of Azalin. Domains of Dread just confirms the "750 BC" date, it never gives the equivalent GH date! What John did - I think - is take 581 CY, and calculate the equivalent RL date (732 BC) by using Azalin's arrival as an "anchor point". Thus, when DoD stated that Vecna arrived in RL in 750 BC, again John calculated (using Azalin's arrival) that the equivalent year in GH must have been 599 CY.
It's a pretty logical conclusion.. except it doesn't work.
For starter, we know some prospective darklords were kept for a time in the limbo of the mists before being granted a domain. Yet Vecna was a demi-god even back then. I doubt whoever truly rules RL could have kept him waiting for 18 years.
Furthermore, in the original RL boxed set Realm of Terror, it was stated that one year generally passes in RL for two years in other worlds (read: TSR settings) but most authors for RL novels apparently never bothered to take that into account when dragging in NPCs from various other settings (GH/DL/FR mainly).
The incoherences were usually justified by a catch-all explanation : "the powers of the mists work mysteriously". Right..
Finally, if Vecna really arrived in RL in 599 CY, that would have been more than a decade after the events described in the From the Ashes boxed set, something that happened after Vecna's banishment. Heck, it would even be years in the future of the current Living Greyhawk campaign!
No, to me the only explanation making sense is that the RL chronology doesn't make sense at all. It's futile to try to give it its DL/FR/GH/.. equivalent because the almighty Mists don't work that way. That would be too predicatable, too easy for dark powers who like nothing better than to deceive.
IMHO, 581 CY = 750 BC and I leave it at that.
Note that I still think Mangrum's chronology is a work of art worthy of praises but I don't trust it blindly.
Grodog, I would be interested by your opinion on this.
Originally posted by Lordik
Tell me what vecna does 18 years between fight with Ius and his imprisionment?
The Vecna attemt to conquer Flanaress was in 581 CY
and he appear in Ravenloft only in 750 BC (599 CY)...
Who can tell me answer on this question?
The suggested ending was the players sacrifice themselves to take the worn down Dieties into one of the gates, which were out of control and could have lead ANYWHERE. Knowing this, it is easy to delay Vecna for as long as you wish.
Ex. Vecna is transported to a banquet on Mt. Olympus. An Annoyed Zues has a few questions for him, and Vecna has used most of his powers in the fight with Iuz.
It takes Vecna 18 years to escape from the Greek Pantheon.
When you can gate him anywhere, it is easy to delay even a Demi-God.
Ex. Vecna is transported to a banquet on Mt. Olympus. An Annoyed Zues has a few questions for him, and Vecna has used most of his powers in the fight with Iuz.
This could be the 4th installment of the Vecna saga: 'Dine Vecna Dine'.
That is timeline for Gryhawk
581 CY Vecna (after apparently destroying of the Circle of Eight) is himself thrown into out of the Prime Material planes at Tovag Baragu...Cuthbert expends huge amounts of energy to simulate the death of the Circle, and after contributing immense aid to a party in overthrowing Vecna, is himself greatly weakened. (3015 OR)
Im by myself greatly inspired by Mangrum timeline and I make my timline (24 pages long) that uses only 3ed books.
Sadly it is not on english
Finally, if Vecna really arrived in RL in 599 CY, that would have been more than a decade after the events described in the From the Ashes boxed set, something that happened after Vecna's banishment. Heck, it would even be years in the future of the current Living Greyhawk campaign!
I think I will make things just like you suggest 581--->750
thank you :embarrass
Probably having a fitting for a new snazzy eye-patch and just lost track of time dah-ling :D
Originally posted by Lordik
That is timeline for Gryhawk
581 CY Vecna (after apparently destroying of the Circle of Eight) is himself thrown into out of the Prime Material planes at Tovag Baragu...Cuthbert expends huge amounts of energy to simulate the death of the Circle, and after contributing immense aid to a party in overthrowing Vecna, is himself greatly weakened. (3015 OR)
Lordik,
Now you've got me intrigued.
Could you tell me which source you quote about that St Cuthbert's intervention? I went back to every canon history of GH I own and those that do speak of the event do not make a single mention of Cuthbert, always pinpointing Iuz as the only other deity present on that fateful day.
I reread chapter 11 of Vecna Lives! and the only solution for the players is to call Iuz. Even if they turn to other gods, the latter tell them to call Iuz (and, if possible, to get rid of both him and Vecna). No mention of St Cuthbert whatsoever.
So, I am curious about this
Originally posted by Mortepierre
Lordik,
Now you've got me intrigued.
Could you tell me which source you quote about that St Cuthbert's intervention? I went back to every canon history of GH I own and those that do speak of the event do not make a single mention of Cuthbert, always pinpointing Iuz as the only other deity present on that fateful day.
I reread chapter 11 of Vecna Lives! and the only solution for the players is to call Iuz. Even if they turn to other gods, the latter tell them to call Iuz (and, if possible, to get rid of both him and Vecna). No mention of St Cuthbert whatsoever.
So, I am curious about this
I took it from "Oerth Journal" wich I found somwhere in internet
I think you can search for it by yourself (some unoficcial site for Living Greyhawk).
If you dont found you can mail me to [email]_lordik@mail.ru[/email] and I will send it to you
Originally posted by Lordik
I took it from "Oerth Journal" wich I found somwhere in internet
I think you can search for it by yourself (some unoficcial site for Living Greyhawk).
If you dont found you can mail me to [email]_lordik@mail.ru[/email] and I will send it to you
Aaah, Oerth Journal, alright. Non-canon then. That explains it.
Thanks