Huge.
--Erik
Excuse me while I kiss the sky
If it's so it's tiny no?
Will it be a straight blow-up of the LGG map, as was done with the FRCS map?
To hell with metric.
Even WotC understands the old system's days are numbered. Witness the recent article on converting the anglo-saxon units to the IS.
Still, I'll grant you making a 5 ft move sounds better than making a 1.5 m move ;)
Originally posted by Mortepierre
Eh, the USA long ago agreed to use the IS (or "mks system"), yet they still use inches, feet, miles, gallons and so forth. Really folks, we "beyond the pond" people don't understand it.
When all of Britain stops drinking their beer in "pints" (much less allows the EU to decree stopping its use), we'll talk about it. ;)
Seriously, there is so much inertia behind the common usage of Imperial units in the US that it will take a very long time.
Regards,
Eric Anondson
It'd be nice but it's not a deal breaker. 
This will be published in Dungeon? Where do I get my subscription?Speaking of Metric VS. Standard. It reminds me of Spinal Tap and their scale models of Stonehenge. He used " instead of '. Hilarious.
Sorry to come back on it, but, really, even if i can understand most of you are americans and you are used to use inches, ounce, fathom, hands, foot, stone, (no ears or teeth? i am sure if we search a bit more we can find things like that...), you cannot even think to compare this middle age system to the metric system.
Meters and kilograms are so easy to use, everything is in base 10, giga, mega, kilo-, hecto-, centi,mili, nano- etc..., and all physics unity are based on this system.
I won't even speak about liter (1 cube meter= 1 000 000 liters, 1000cm3=1 liter. etc.. How many of you can tell instantly me how many ounces or gallons in one foot cube?) for gas and liquid because it's even worse.
I remember one day i spoke with an american guy about that and he didn't remember how many X equals Y in his system etc.. And he was far from being silly.
But for the Greyhawk map it's a good new!
That was a joke.
Will the map be the entire world of Oerth, or just the section we've become most familiar with.
Halber
Originally posted by Eric Anondson
When all of Britain stops drinking their beer in "pints" (much less allows the EU to decree stopping its use), we'll talk about it. ;)
Just ain't gonna happen! (Breaks out Union flag, sings Land of hope and glory whilst whilst watching discovery channel bonanza of various battles involving many dead Frenchmen ..... with a pint of beer in hand :D)
Any news on when this is all appearing so I can get my multi-copy order set up?
Cheers, literally
Stevie
Originally posted by Halberkill
Will the map be the entire world of Oerth, or just the section we've become most familiar with.
Now that's some useful info to find out! Nice Q Halber :D
Originally posted by grodog
Now that's some useful info to find out! Nice Q Halber :D
Indeed!
Myself, I'd be ecstatic to have it include from the northern tip of "High Boros" across from the Land of Black Ice, to southern most Amedio Jungle and out west as far as the western edge of the Sea of Dust.
Regards,
Eric Anondson
I am hoping that it isn't just a blow up of the LGG map, there were some scale issues with that one.
-Gary
Originally posted by PSmedger
I am not 100% certain (well just 98%) but I believe Erik is commissioning a new map. And the quadrants will appear in 4 Dragon issues this fall. One of those will probably contain an article from me, so you GOTTA get that one. ;-P
-Gary
1. if Erik is "commissioning" it, the map would have to be for Dungeon. Unless their are HUGE changes underway, Erik wouldn't be authorized to "commission" something for Dragon would he?
2. Gary--Is this the long awaited Irongate article/map you've been teasing us with for so long? Ever decide what to do with a certain mysterious Mayor??
Originally posted by sedrorovin murghurobag
Exactly. Oh, and by the way, how many "stone" do you weigh?
1 stone is about 14 pounds, right?
I have yet to see the entire outline of the Flanaess and how it will break down over the four quadrants, but I think we're bound to expand the map a little along the edges. It is, however, a Flanaess map. Development of the western Drawmidj coast and the western periphery of the Sea of Dust will have to wait. Likewise, I don't expect a lot of the Amedio Jungle or Hepmonaland to put in an appearance, since the focus will be on the traditional Flanaess.
I want to get the main play area done right before we go off and detail other parts of the world.
--Erik Mona
Editor-in-Chief
Dungeon Magazine
Can't wait to see it.
Much later, I bought the Living Greyhawk Gazeteer but wasn't all that impressed with the detail. It was too small, as well. Really made me miss my original even more...
Good work, lads.
But anyway it's a good new.
It would have been cool to have a special edition in one piece to buy just by order at least..
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No kidding. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen.
--Erik
Originally posted by Erik Mona
The map will appear in Dungeon #117, 118, 119, and 120.[...]
--Erik Mona
Editor-in-Chief
Dungeon Magazine
Sounds good! Does Paizo offers four issue long subscriptions?
Originally posted by Valkaun_Dain
I think most gamers are pretty well educated and intelligent folks. I think you'll find most Americans that meet those criteria are in favor of switching to metric. I use it myself when I'm measuring wood in my shop...at least when my dad's not around. He'd have a heart attack. Having everything divisible by 10 would be great. What is the conversion from feet to meters anway. That always throws me off in Shadowrun.
A meter is a little more than 39 inches. So, something like 3.25 feet per meter. And I strongly disagree about most intelligent and educated Americans being in favor of switching to the metric system. I certainly cannot see that it'd be that big a difference in woodworking. When I'm putting up panelling, I'm a lot more concerned with how far out of square the room is than I am about whether the unit of measurement on my tape is divisible by 10. I'm going to mark it to cut in the same place whether I look at the side of the tape that has inches or the side that has centimeters. But I work with binary, octal and hexadecimal often enough that decimal does not really seem to be that big of a deal.
2. Gary--Is this the long awaited Irongate article/map you've been teasing us with for so long? Ever decide what to do with a certain mysterious Mayor?? [/b]
Rostoff,
O....its still coming. But Erik has kicked it down the road til this fall, since the schedule didn't allow for it yet. It will get done before you pry my hands off this world.
And if I have my way, the mysteries of Cobb Darg will only deepen....
Another question for you, though. Will this map incorporate the details of past efforts to develop Greyhawk? For example. Your article on Keoland mentions a number of cities I didn't recall seeing on the original folio map. Will this enormous wall-hog (blessed be thy name) take these added locations into consideration?
Thanks.
But, I do believe he plans to add all the official locations from GH products (1979-present?) to augment the locations from Darlene Pekul's original map. So you will probably see material from Sargent's Marklands, Iuz the Evil, and Ivid the Undying, hopefully.
He will probably draw the line at adding all the kingdom level detail that the triads have created. Even at its size, the map would become unreadible.
-Gary
Originally posted by PSmedger
And if I have my way, the mysteries of Cobb Darg will only deepen....
Gary! How can you tease us like this, mate? You're killing me here. OMG, I cannot wait to see your take on Irongate.
Back in 1998/1999 there was an official entry for a new Greyhawk Map, one that I believe Lisa Stevens had done originally for the purpose of contintuity with the relaunch of Greyhawk.
From everything that we were told (and as I recall, you and Steve Wilson were doing some of the telling!) it was a most excellent map, full of detail, and BIG.
Why aren't you just using that map? Was that one even bigger? Did it have to much detail? Did you want to include more of the changes that have happened to greyhawk in the last 6 years?
Pat E
I've got the original copy of that map, assembled by then-Greyhawk editor Kij Johnson, at my desk, and it will inform the new map. Kij added a ton of new locations we won't be including in our map, but she spent months assembling official locations that will most assuredly appear on the new map, and by the time we're done we'll certainly be indebted to her efforts.
And, to answer another question upthread, the map will contain all official Greyhawk locations, to the best of my ability to find them. I'll have to draw a line at a certain size of settlement (perhaps small town), with only a few truly important villages and things making an appearance.
--Erik Mona
Editor-in-Chief
Dungeon
Originally posted by Mortepierre
Even WotC understands the old system's days are numbered. Witness the recent article on converting the anglo-saxon units to the IS.
That article was posted as a service to D20 Modern players.
Modern RPGs tend to use metric system, that's a trend starteed by Marc W Miller in Traveller almost 30 years ago. WotC was just catering to American D20 Modern players, and international D&D players. I don't think it's a major indication of anything to come.
My original folio map acquired a tear recently.
I'm glad I kept my boxed set map as a back up all these years. Originally posted by Halberkill
Will the map be the entire world of Oerth, or just the section we've become most familiar with.
I predict that we will never see a mass-produced, poster map of the entire world of Oerth.
Originally posted by RobertFisher
I predict that we will never see a mass-produced, poster map of the entire world of Oerth.
That's a pretty safe prediction, being that I don't think they have a poster map for their beloved other world, the Forgotten Realms.
I would be happy enough to get it in peices, such as with the Scarlet Brotherhood accessory detailing Hepmonaland.
Halber
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I would be happy enough to get it in peices, such as with the Scarlet Brotherhood accessory detailing Hepmonaland.
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This is something I'd like to get around to during my tenure at Dungeon. One must be careful, however, as it'll be difficult to get everyone to agree about what lies beyond the Baklunish lands or the Hellfurnaces.
--Erik Mona
Editor-in-Chief
Dungeon
as it'll be difficult to get everyone to agree about what lies beyond the Baklunish lands or the Hellfurnaces.
You can't please everybody all of the time Erik. As long as what ever you put there doesn't fly in the face of what ever has been hinted at before the fall out shouldn't be tht horrific.
Originally posted by Erik Mona
This is something I'd like to get around to during my tenure at Dungeon. One must be careful, however, as it'll be difficult to get everyone to agree about what lies beyond the Baklunish lands or the Hellfurnaces.
I would like to see that also.
Here is a question for you. Does WotC, and/or you, view the Chainmail info about Western Oerik as part of the continuity?
Halber
As far as I know, no map was ever finished showing the territories of the various Chainmail factions, so it would be difficult (though not impossible) to fit all of the pieces together.
On other hand, Chris Pramas did go to lengths to make sure that everything was consistent, so I might be inclined to work it in. As far as Chainmail is concerned, however, I don't really know how much of the original vision made it into the products, and how much I remember from lunchtime discussions with Chris.
So, I dunno.
--Erik
Originally posted by Erik Mona
As far as I know, no map was ever finished showing the territories of the various Chainmail factions, so it would be difficult (though not impossible) to fit all of the pieces together.
Well, the Chainmail ESD, which was available as a PDF from SVGames, has a map of western Oerik in it that gives the general locations of the countries, if not the borders or detailed geographic features. Would that be considered a published material, even though it's in electronic format?
Halber
Originally posted by Erik Mona
It's an entirely new composition by Rob Lazzeretti, and he's taking the original Darlene map as the basis and inspiration for the project (right down to the font we're using on the map "tags").
Though the Darlene map is arguably more visually appealling, one thing that I do like about the LGG map is that it made the northern reaches of the Flanaess less distorted (ala the old OJ article "Measuring Up the Oerth"). I do hope accuracy is not sacrificed for "old school" nostalgia.
Not alot of color in it either, so I'm wondering if the smaller Gazetteer map is any better
But anyways, the map sounds like it will be very cool one way or another. Now, I'll just have to find out if there is a lamination machine that can actually fit such a map...