Of course, the nay-sayers, detractors and haters are on full attack and villify mode at ENWorld. But, I am glad that Paizo uses its expertise and business sense instead of listening to, well, that minority of myopians, to put it as nicely as possible.
As a part of the RPGA, I think Strohm indicated that Living Greyhawk material will be moving back to Dragon magazine.
Originally posted by Greyson
As a part of the RPGA, I think Strohm indicated that Living Greyhawk material will be moving back to Dragon magazine.
I think what was actually said was that the RPGA "news" would relocate to Dragon. Erik Mona said that the main Greyhawk content of what was the Living Greyhawk Journal will remain in Dungeon as "Living Greyhawk Approved" articles.
Regards,
Eric Anondson
I think what was actually said was that the RPGA "news" would relocate to Dragon. Erik Mona said that the main Greyhawk content of what was the Living Greyhawk Journal will remain in Dungeon as "Living Greyhawk Approved" articles
Thank god, its tiresome how they bounce GH around. I finally got used to Dungeon, keep it there!
Sorry, Erik Mona, but even the Living Greyhawk Journal is not enough to convince me to continue buying Dungeon after Poly is gone.
Still, I want to thank you for giving as much support for the "definitive d20" magazine. Maybe in a perfect world, it would have been a great sucess.
IMNSHO, as a longtime Dragon reader, LGJ should not have relocated from Dragon to Dungeon. I held to this opinion then (about 3 years ago?), and I still hold this opinion now.
I think I should start supporting the Canonfire web site, probably my only source of GH material.
But remember, core D&D is Grehawk so it's fully supported by WOTC!
Could anyone please point me to where this info all comes from, the Dungeon site doesn't seem to mention the LGJ at all so I'm trying to find the source for all this.
Cheers
Stevie
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I suppose we can infer from the statement that without Poly & the Star Wars stuff getting in the way the LGJ will become more promenant but I thought people were referring to a more definative statement.
Originally posted by Darth Binky
Eric has said over at Enworld that the LGJ is gone. He says the adventures will take more advantage of the Greyhawk world though.
Well all I can say is AAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!
Now that's over, was any reason why given?
Eric has said over at Enworld that the LGJ is gone. He says the adventures will take more advantage of the Greyhawk world though
I am confused how Dungeon could just be for the adventures while they -also- intend to release a 4-part Greyhawk map. Publishing GH maps is X10 more generous than any single LGJ was, so what is the difference in removing LGJ, the amount of content seems the same to me, sans LG news which not every body follows.
We'll continue to support the Living Greyhawk campaign in Dungeon with "Living Greyhawk Approved" articles similar to the City of Hardby we ran in #109. Dungeon #114 also has an adventure usable as an introduction to the LG campaign, set in the city of Greyhawk. Dungeons #117, 118, 119, and 120 will contain a massive four-part poster map of the World of Greyhawk similar to the FR map published in Dragon a couple years ago. Wolf Baur's got a module on tap set in the Land of Black Ice, and I've also got Sean Reynolds at work on a Greyhawk adventure. Greyhawk fans will have lots to like about the new Dungeon (as will Eberron and Forgotten Realms fans--lots of exciting stuff for those settings coming up as well).
--Erik Mona
Editor-in-Chief
Dungeon Magazine
Cheers for the info Brom
So the name "Living Greyhawk Journal" goes away, but we'll still be printing plenty of Greyhawk materials. It is, after all, the core world of the Dungeons & Dragons game.
--Erik Mona
Editor-in-Chief
Dungeon Magazine
thanks
tim
Originally posted by Bealze
so like the LG articles are going bye bye?
No . . .
Originally posted by Erik Mona
As I said in one of the quoted bits above, we'll still be running Greyhawk material in Dungeon, and we'll continue to run "LG Approved" articles in the magazine.
Sounds like only the "Living Greyhawk Journal" name (and separate issue numbers) will be eliminated. The Greyhawk content will still be there.
"What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet." (Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet. Act ii. Sc. 2. )
Off with its head!!
Too bad Dungeon's not accepting any previous edition adventures. This would be nice too see if only once in a while, but the adventures are easily adaptable to any edition. It seem's Cauldron has made it's mark on Greyhawk if only too borrow small amounts of the actual setting to draw from.
I have found that a few new players have been asking questions about Cauldron, which means that something which hint's of Greyhawk is still peeking new support for it's content's.
So is the new Dragon then a place where we might see Npc Hero & Villian highlights or is this going to be limited to LG approved articles, adventures in Dungeon?
I was always under the impression anything published in Dragon/Dungeon was 'official' if not canon. LG approved or not. Until I see it for myself, I don't know how Dragon could be any better than it already is.
Originally posted by emperor norton
Emperor Norton fully supports the end of Polyhedron.
Off with its head!!
Guys, don't make me hate Greyhawk community as I have with the D&D community. I'm still a fan of Poly.
BTW, I still think that LG column should be in Dragon. A lot easier for me to buy in one convenient package.
I like your disclaimer though, should cover just about anything.
The union with Dungeon hurt both magazines. Because now you had to make room to try and please everyone. So yes Dungeon is separate and so should Polyhedron be. Perhaps one day Polyhedron can return to it's past and become the magazine it was intended to be. Or maybe a happy medium can be found and a quarterly magazine can be made out of Polyhedron which will cater to it's fan base without requiring the full resources of another magazine.
I for one was not a fan of the recent Polyhedron Dungeon mix but did enjoy the magazine back in the good old 1E,2E days.
Originally posted by abysslin
I hope you realize how silly the first part of your post sounds, REG.
Perhaps, but I'll let it stand. I know I composed it with emotions, mainly anger and disappointment made intense by the jubilations of others.
I like your disclaimer though, should cover just about anything.
Not what you think.
Trust me, I'd be the first to say I prefer Poly to be its own independent magazine, but WotC's Periodical and later Paizo made me believe it cannot stand on its own in the commercial market, and that Dungeon was losing readership. So I let it slide, as long as Poly continue to exist and provide mini-games, I don't mind paying for nearly half of that issue. Granted a few were not great, but you get gems like Pulp Heroes, Omega World, Mecha Crusade, Spelljammer (with its own distinctly contained setting). And oftentimes, it has news about the d20 System that I have grown to like apart from D&D. Nowadays, I'm more of a d20 gamer than a D&D gamer. Is that so wrong? Have I betrayed you all with my open-mindedness?
So yes, I am glad that Polyhedron is gone. It was a forced merger that pleased only a minority of the public. Most people wanted only one of the two magazines.
I am glad that Dragon and Dungeon are getting a major overhaul now. Both started becoming a bit stale and I hope for some new energy.
Dungeon proved to be the more viable of the two.
I think the only thing we do appreciate of them is these forums, heh.