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Origins of the Term "Avangion"

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#1
zombiegleemax
May 18, 2004 8:34:31 Does anyone know what the term avangion means? What is the implicit message on it?

Some said it meant something like vengeance, while others believed it to refer to advancement...

I made the same question on the spanish DS list and they said that the word avangion is more conected to the ideia of something advanced, a creature more advanced than others. So avangions would be the most advanced beings, dragons included

Does anyone have a clue?
#2
brun01
May 18, 2004 9:37:24 What we're trying to understand is:
Is Avangion just a cool synonym for "advanced" or when Oronis coined the word he was looking to avenge all the destruction caused upon Athas.
#3
zerpentor
May 18, 2004 9:45:57 he isn't avenging much by cowering in New Kurn :P
#4
zombiegleemax
May 18, 2004 9:59:28 Since no one said the word has as anglo-saxonic origin...
I rather agree with the "Advancement" idea. Specially because in some latin languages we spell it without the "d" more like as "avancement".

And there's more. I don't think Oronis is the kind of person who likes violence, specially after he choosed to forfeit his past as a Champion.
#5
brun01
May 18, 2004 10:10:57 Vengeance is a dish best served cold...

There are better ways to avenge something than declaring open war against all defilers and SKs when he's the only one Avangion in the world.

Patience and Wisdom are an Avangion's best qualities. He has to wait, for now.
#6
zombiegleemax
May 18, 2004 10:17:00 how about the prefix "avian-" which refers to flight pointing toward the idea that at their most advanced stage an avangion dosent touch the ground
#7
brun01
May 18, 2004 10:25:53 Yeah, maybe it could mean something like that.

But "avian" refers to birds and avangions don't have feathers... Maybe something like "aerial" would describe it better.

Very interesting, tough, another approach for us to look into.
#8
zombiegleemax
May 18, 2004 10:53:09 look at avian for a sec... of or pertaining to birds

how about aviation... the operation of an aircraft

the prefix is av

we should look at that
#9
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
May 18, 2004 12:30:24 Actually, the prefix is "avia", but who's counting.
#10
Cynewulf
May 18, 2004 14:07:18 Perhaps a mixture of "av"ian, e"vang"elist (spreading all that goodness about), and ps"ion"ics.

"av" "vang" "ion"

Just a thought...
#11
brun01
May 18, 2004 14:22:07 that's just mindboggling

#12
zombiegleemax
May 18, 2004 14:24:36
Originally posted by Cynewulf
Perhaps a mixture of "av"ian, e"vang"elist (spreading all that goodness about), and ps"ion"ics.

"av" "vang" "ion"

Just a thought...

I liked that one!!!
#13
zombiegleemax
May 18, 2004 16:27:18 My vote goes with "They just made it up".
#14
csk
May 18, 2004 20:43:10 "a-" = in the act of
"van"= wing
"-ion" = action or result of an action

"avan(g)ion"= a being in the act of gaining wings

These definitions (except for avangion of course) come from the American Heritage College Dictionary, 3e.
#15
nytcrawlr
May 18, 2004 21:54:30 Always thought avangion was a french word, hmmmm.
#16
zombiegleemax
May 18, 2004 23:12:44 Humm. does anyone here knows when this word first appeared on dark sun material???

Or.. does anyone know a way to ask the original writters of dark sun or those who participated, in some way, on its developpement / design???

Bill Slavicsek;
Troy Denning;
Timothy B. Brown;
Bruce Nesmith;
Dave Conant;
L. Richard Baker III;
Tim Beach;
Monte Cook;
Kirk Botula;
William W. Connors;
Shane Lacy Hensley;
Colin McComb;
Anthony Pryor;
Curtis Scott;
#17
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
May 18, 2004 23:36:17
Originally posted by CSK
"a-" = in the act of
"van"= wing
"-ion" = action or result of an action

"avan(g)ion"= a being in the act of gaining wings

These definitions (except for avangion of course) come from the American Heritage College Dictionary, 3e.

So far, this makes the most sense to me. Someone was playing with a dictionary. I know I've done it before to make up words.
#18
the_people_dup
May 19, 2004 3:25:28
Originally posted by CSK
"a-" = in the act of
"van"= wing
"-ion" = action or result of an action

"avan(g)ion"= a being in the act of gaining wings

Or: Avangion= one who deals with the results of actions caused by those with wings. (Do the SK's have wings?, if I have made any mistakes then I'm sorry)
#19
Cynewulf
May 19, 2004 4:52:37 That one beats mine in both likelihood and simplicity! I like it, even though I have a certain fondness for mine...
#20
zombiegleemax
May 19, 2004 7:02:32
Originally posted by NytCrawlr
Always thought avangion was a french word, hmmmm.

You're probably thinking of "avignon":D
#21
Cynewulf
May 19, 2004 7:36:17 The one "sur le pont"? ;)
#22
zombiegleemax
May 19, 2004 8:53:08
Originally posted by Fabrício Madruga Lopes
Humm. does anyone here knows when this word first appeared on dark sun material???

Or.. does anyone know a way to ask the original writters of dark sun or those who participated, in some way, on its developpement / design???

Bill Slavicsek; Troy Denning; Timothy B. Brown; Bruce Nesmith; Dave Conant; L. Richard Baker III; Tim Beach; Monte Cook; Kirk Botula; William W. Connors; Shane Lacy Hensley; Colin McComb; Anthony Pryor; Curtis Scott;

I PMed Dave Nooman, let's see if he has something to say.
#23
zombiegleemax
Jun 12, 2004 8:56:12 moi je pense que avangion viens de :
av- : aile avion (wings)
angion : ange (angel)
a winged angel
Angel (french ange) , latin word for "messager (messenger)
winged angel messenger

souvenez vous de la "comête du messager " ......
#24
zombiegleemax
Jun 12, 2004 13:49:56 The designers were all sitting around a table thinking of a good name to call their new beings when a writer stood up and said, "Avangion"! The rest of the writers thought that sounded cool and it was accepted. Then they went back to eating chinese take out.

That's the most probably origin of the term "Avangion".
#25
Nefal
Jun 12, 2004 16:22:03
Originally posted by Ral of Tyr
The designers were all sitting around a table thinking of a good name to call their new beings when a writer stood up and said, "Avangion"! The rest of the writers thought that sounded cool and it was accepted. Then they went back to eating chinese take out.

That's the most probably origin of the term "Avangion".

or maybe avangion was the name of the chinese fast food... ;)
#26
zombiegleemax
Jun 14, 2004 11:44:46 Hum... if so... then we're all discussing about nothing... Nevertheless the "In process of gaining wings" version pleases me more...
#27
brun01
Jun 14, 2004 12:17:58 Even though I don't care much for French, I like Marek's version better...

Winged Angel

#28
zombiegleemax
Sep 04, 2004 10:04:08 thank you , i'm soooo happy .
don't care people ! i'm just a simply frog eater (and i found of frogs, that's so good )
and my nationality is french, but my roots are italo hispano new zelando (!) , anglo, arabo, basco, siciliano athasian . that'all.
i'm multiclassed ....

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax May 18, 2004 8:34:31	Does anyone know what the term avangion means? What is the implicit message on it? Some said it meant something like vengeance, while others believed it to refer to advancement... I made the same question on the spanish DS list and they said that the word avangion is more conected to the ideia of something advanced, a creature more advanced than others. So avangions would be the most advanced beings, dragons included Does anyone have a clue?
#2 brun01 May 18, 2004 9:37:24	What we're trying to understand is: Is Avangion just a cool synonym for "advanced" or when Oronis coined the word he was looking to avenge all the destruction caused upon Athas.
#3 zerpentor May 18, 2004 9:45:57	he isn't avenging much by cowering in New Kurn :P
#4 zombiegleemax May 18, 2004 9:59:28	Since no one said the word has as anglo-saxonic origin... I rather agree with the "Advancement" idea. Specially because in some latin languages we spell it without the "d" more like as "avancement". And there's more. I don't think Oronis is the kind of person who likes violence, specially after he choosed to forfeit his past as a Champion.
#5 brun01 May 18, 2004 10:10:57	Vengeance is a dish best served cold... There are better ways to avenge something than declaring open war against all defilers and SKs when he's the only one Avangion in the world. Patience and Wisdom are an Avangion's best qualities. He has to wait, for now.
#6 zombiegleemax May 18, 2004 10:17:00	how about the prefix "avian-" which refers to flight pointing toward the idea that at their most advanced stage an avangion dosent touch the ground
#7 brun01 May 18, 2004 10:25:53	Yeah, maybe it could mean something like that. But "avian" refers to birds and avangions don't have feathers... Maybe something like "aerial" would describe it better. Very interesting, tough, another approach for us to look into.
#8 zombiegleemax May 18, 2004 10:53:09	look at avian for a sec... of or pertaining to birds how about aviation... the operation of an aircraft the prefix is av we should look at that
#9 xlorepdarkhelm_dup May 18, 2004 12:30:24	Actually, the prefix is "avia", but who's counting.
#10 Cynewulf May 18, 2004 14:07:18	Perhaps a mixture of "av"ian, e"vang"elist (spreading all that goodness about), and ps"ion"ics. "av" "vang" "ion" Just a thought...
#11 brun01 May 18, 2004 14:22:07	that's just mindboggling
#12 zombiegleemax May 18, 2004 14:24:36	Originally posted by Cynewulf Perhaps a mixture of "av"ian, e"vang"elist (spreading all that goodness about), and ps"ion"ics. "av" "vang" "ion" Just a thought... I liked that one!!!
#13 zombiegleemax May 18, 2004 16:27:18	My vote goes with "They just made it up".
#14 csk May 18, 2004 20:43:10	"a-" = in the act of "van"= wing "-ion" = action or result of an action "avan(g)ion"= a being in the act of gaining wings These definitions (except for avangion of course) come from the American Heritage College Dictionary, 3e.
#15 nytcrawlr May 18, 2004 21:54:30	Always thought avangion was a french word, hmmmm.
#16 zombiegleemax May 18, 2004 23:12:44	Humm. does anyone here knows when this word first appeared on dark sun material??? Or.. does anyone know a way to ask the original writters of dark sun or those who participated, in some way, on its developpement / design??? Bill Slavicsek; Troy Denning; Timothy B. Brown; Bruce Nesmith; Dave Conant; L. Richard Baker III; Tim Beach; Monte Cook; Kirk Botula; William W. Connors; Shane Lacy Hensley; Colin McComb; Anthony Pryor; Curtis Scott;
#17 xlorepdarkhelm_dup May 18, 2004 23:36:17	Originally posted by CSK "a-" = in the act of "van"= wing "-ion" = action or result of an action "avan(g)ion"= a being in the act of gaining wings These definitions (except for avangion of course) come from the American Heritage College Dictionary, 3e. So far, this makes the most sense to me. Someone was playing with a dictionary. I know I've done it before to make up words.
#18 the_people_dup May 19, 2004 3:25:28	Originally posted by CSK "a-" = in the act of "van"= wing "-ion" = action or result of an action "avan(g)ion"= a being in the act of gaining wings Or: Avangion= one who deals with the results of actions caused by those with wings. (Do the SK's have wings?, if I have made any mistakes then I'm sorry)
#19 Cynewulf May 19, 2004 4:52:37	That one beats mine in both likelihood and simplicity! I like it, even though I have a certain fondness for mine...
#20 zombiegleemax May 19, 2004 7:02:32	Originally posted by NytCrawlr Always thought avangion was a french word, hmmmm. You're probably thinking of "avignon":D
#21 Cynewulf May 19, 2004 7:36:17	The one "sur le pont"? ;)
#22 zombiegleemax May 19, 2004 8:53:08	Originally posted by Fabrício Madruga Lopes Humm. does anyone here knows when this word first appeared on dark sun material??? Or.. does anyone know a way to ask the original writters of dark sun or those who participated, in some way, on its developpement / design??? Bill Slavicsek; Troy Denning; Timothy B. Brown; Bruce Nesmith; Dave Conant; L. Richard Baker III; Tim Beach; Monte Cook; Kirk Botula; William W. Connors; Shane Lacy Hensley; Colin McComb; Anthony Pryor; Curtis Scott; I PMed Dave Nooman, let's see if he has something to say.
#23 zombiegleemax Jun 12, 2004 8:56:12	moi je pense que avangion viens de : av- : aile avion (wings) angion : ange (angel) a winged angel Angel (french ange) , latin word for "messager (messenger) winged angel messenger souvenez vous de la "comête du messager " ......
#24 zombiegleemax Jun 12, 2004 13:49:56	The designers were all sitting around a table thinking of a good name to call their new beings when a writer stood up and said, "Avangion"! The rest of the writers thought that sounded cool and it was accepted. Then they went back to eating chinese take out. That's the most probably origin of the term "Avangion".
#25 Nefal Jun 12, 2004 16:22:03	Originally posted by Ral of Tyr The designers were all sitting around a table thinking of a good name to call their new beings when a writer stood up and said, "Avangion"! The rest of the writers thought that sounded cool and it was accepted. Then they went back to eating chinese take out. That's the most probably origin of the term "Avangion". or maybe avangion was the name of the chinese fast food... ;)
#26 zombiegleemax Jun 14, 2004 11:44:46	Hum... if so... then we're all discussing about nothing... Nevertheless the "In process of gaining wings" version pleases me more...
#27 brun01 Jun 14, 2004 12:17:58	Even though I don't care much for French, I like Marek's version better... Winged Angel
#28 zombiegleemax Sep 04, 2004 10:04:08	thank you , i'm soooo happy . don't care people ! i'm just a simply frog eater (and i found of frogs, that's so good ) and my nationality is french, but my roots are italo hispano new zelando (!) , anglo, arabo, basco, siciliano athasian . that'all. i'm multiclassed ....