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#1
edgelett
May 30, 2004 18:58:23 OK, my DM ordered the DLCS a few weeks ago, since we're in Australia it's taking some time for it to arrive...

SO I hope you can all bear with me & answer a question that we can't answer since we don't have the book yet!!

Is a Knight of Solamnia a prestige class, or a core class?? If it's a prestige class, is there a class prerequisite before you can take it?? (IE is it available only to fighters, or nobles, or noble fighters?)

THanks, will help me decide on what character to play.
#2
zombiegleemax
May 30, 2004 19:24:11 It is indeed a prestige class, with various prerequisites.

You must be a fighter, and more than that I simply don't know off hand, considering I'm at work. :D
#3
zombiegleemax
May 30, 2004 19:24:19 Prestige Class.

Requirements:
Alignment: Lawful Good
Base Attack Bonus: +3
Base Save Bonus: +4
Skills: Diplomacy 2, Knowledge (religion) 2, Ride 2
Feats: Armor Proficiency (Heavy), Honorbound, Martial Weapon Proficiency (any one), Shield Proficiency
Special: Squire of the Crown: The character must already have been accepted as a squire.
#4
nuke
May 30, 2004 21:51:11 That's supposed to be a base FORT save of +4.

So Fighters, and Clerics of Kiri-Jolith (with the War domain) can easily become KoS at 4th level. A cleric of Habbakuk could too if they spent a feat to be proficient in a Martial Weapon, although they would be limited to Knight of the Crown..
#5
greylord
May 31, 2004 1:00:36 If you want to ever be a Knight of the Sword or Knight of the Rose you almost HAVE to take Clerical levels.
#6
zombiegleemax
May 31, 2004 1:07:21 Or mystic levels...

The requirements I wrote earlier are of course for a Knight of the Crown
#7
edgelett
May 31, 2004 3:15:08 cool, thanks a lot for the info guys..I haven't played a fighter for years, so I thought fighter/knight of the crown would be a great way to go.

thanks heaps!!
#8
the_fools_wildhunt
May 31, 2004 7:25:21 Sorry to hijack the thread a little, but I did not want to start another on a little question.

I might be playing in the campaign edgelett is referring to. I have not played DL since the original box set and the new campaign will be set in the current timeline, something I no nothing about.

Anyway, I was thinking of a Qualinost Druid.

1. Do druids exist in DL? I ask because I don't know how spells work now.

2. If druids do not exist, are there other similar classes? Mystic or something?

3. Are the Qualinost (and Silvenost) racial bonuses the same as the ones in the players handbook?

Thank You.
#9
zombiegleemax
May 31, 2004 8:10:27 1. Yes, they are priests (or clerics) who are a little different to other priest (ie. they wildshape).

2. Not really.

3. No, but seeing as i don't have my book here i can't tell you what they are (and i could be a bit wrong about some stuff, but i'm pretty sure i'm not).
#10
theredrobedwizard
May 31, 2004 8:17:46 Qualinost and Sivanost are cities (I think), so their racial bonuses are nil.

Qualinesti and Silvanesti elves, on the other hand, get different bonuses than the base elves in the PHB.

-----

1) Druids exist during the Age of Mortals.

2) A Mystic with any of the "nature-y" domains would work fine as a substitute. You may also want to talk to your DM about playing as a Spirit Shaman (from Complete Divine). They talk to Spirits and cast without preperation, which is nice. Its a nice class for Kender or Nomadic Humans to take instead of druid, fits the flavor more.

3) Check the DLCS when it shows up, they both have some very cool bonuses AND penalties.

-TRRW
#11
karui_kage
May 31, 2004 10:27:32
Originally posted by the_fools_wildhunt

1. Do druids exist in DL? I ask because I don't know how spells work now.

Yes, druids exist. The only difference is quoted from the book: "A druid in a Dragonlance campaign must worship a patron deity, just like a cleric. Good druids revere Habbakuk, while evil ones worship Zeboim. Lawful neutral, chaotic neutral, and true neutral druids all revere Chislev."

2. If druids do not exist, are there other similar classes? Mystic or something?

Mystics are just spontaneous casting Clerics, in a way. All spellcasters in the world of Krynn are different, somewhat. Clerics get their divine power from the gods, just as druids do, only they both get it in different forms. Wizards get their powers from gods as well, only they rely on the three moons of magic for it (each on an alignment of good, neutral, or evil). Sorcerers cast arcane magic as well, but gain their power from the primal energies associated with the planet, no god involved. Mystics are similar, only they cast clerical spells like a sorcerer, and gain their power from the heart.

3. Are the Qualinost (and Silvenost) racial bonuses the same as the ones in the players handbook?

No. (Not sure if its ok to post this info here, so feel free to remove it if I shouldn't, ops) Qualinesti get all the elven racial traits in the PHB, except as follows: Elvensight, +1 racial bonus on Diplomacy and Sense Motive, different Auto and Bonus languages obviously.

Silvanesti get all the same elven racial as the PHB elves, save for the following: +2 Dex, +2 Int, -2 Con, -2 Cha. Elvensight. +1 racial bonus on Knowledge (arcana) and Spellcraft checks. Different Auto and Bonus languages as well.

So you know, Elvensight is possessed by all true elves on Krynn. All this is is a combination of low-light vision along with 30 ft. darkvision, with full color for low light and black and white for darkvision, as normal.
#12
the_fools_wildhunt
May 31, 2004 12:31:18 Thank you very much Karui Kage, that helps a lot. Can get onto developing some character ideas for the campaign.

Also thanks to Red Robed Wizard and Raspu.

Cheers.
#13
karui_kage
May 31, 2004 17:58:07
Originally posted by edgelett
OK, my DM ordered the DLCS a few weeks ago, since we're in Australia it's taking some time for it to arrive...

SO I hope you can all bear with me & answer a question that we can't answer since we don't have the book yet!!

Is a Knight of Solamnia a prestige class, or a core class?? If it's a prestige class, is there a class prerequisite before you can take it?? (IE is it available only to fighters, or nobles, or noble fighters?)

THanks, will help me decide on what character to play.

The Knights of Solamnia are one of my favorite sets of prestige classes, the first I've seen where you need one to advance to the other. The Knight of the Rose is a great fighter/cleric prestige class, with cleric spells every level, fighter base attack bonus and hit points, and great abilities. Of course, it includes having three levels in the Knight of the Sword as a requirement. The Knight of the Sword is the cleric section of the Knights, and gets powers accordingly. Cleric base attack, abilities, spells, etc. The Knight of the Sword includes in its requirements that it needs one level of Knight of the Crown. Knight of the Crown would be the fighter build, with no spells, but fighter base attack, hit points, and appropriate abilities.

If you were to try to go through them as quick as possible, my recommendation would be Cleric 4/KoC 1/KoS 3/KoR ? . However, there are also roleplaying requirements to consider. The KoS and KoR both have requirements that have the player perform acts of honor and genorosity, travel great distances, and fight evil foes of certain power. The Knight of the Rose is a powerful prestige class (since it is pretty much a mix of the best of the KoC and KoS), but this is because it is the ranks of the Knight's leaders, and thus difficult to reach. As a DM, I would try to make reaching this rank challenging for the player, with the first level in it including a lot of roleplay and some great relief for the player who has tried for so many levels to reach it.

All in all, great prestige classes.
#14
edgelett
May 31, 2004 18:20:17
Originally posted by Karui_Kage
If you were to try to go through them as quick as possible, my recommendation would be Cleric 4/KoC 1/KoS 3/KoR ? .

Very tempting, but I'm playing a cleric at the moment & don't know if I want to leap straight in to Cleric again....

I might start fighter/KoC then if my character manages to stay alive (he he) maybe a few cleric levels, then KoS & KoR.

Thanks for all the info people, I might go home tonight & start rolling stats!!
#15
zombiegleemax
May 31, 2004 19:12:18
Originally posted by edgelett
OK, my DM ordered the DLCS a few weeks ago, since we're in Australia it's taking some time for it to arrive...

Hey edgelett, where did your DM order their copy? I'm up in Brisbane and ordered mine through Military Simulations in Moorabbin, Victoria. Delivery is quite speedy and I managed to pick my copy up for around half price through their crazy specials (I don't think its available at this price anymore though) . Check them out at the following link

Military Simulations
#16
zombiegleemax
May 31, 2004 20:31:59
Originally posted by Nuke
So Fighters, and Clerics of Kiri-Jolith (with the War domain) can easily become KoS at 4th level. A cleric of Habbakuk could too if they spent a feat to be proficient in a Martial Weapon, although they would be limited to Knight of the Crown..

Not necessarily. A cleric of Habbakuk / Knight of the Crown would have to pray to Kiri-Jolith for divine spells when he advanced to the Knights of the Sword, but he should be able to return to the worship of Habbakuk if he attains membership of the Knights of the Rose. Paladine is the patron of the Rose Knights, and he's mortal now, so it stands to reason that individual Rose Knights could pray to either of the surviving Triumvirate members for spells.

On another note, a mystic with the War domain is also a good candidate for KoS membership.
#17
edgelett
May 31, 2004 20:52:01
Originally posted by Kalthasian Talanward
Hey edgelett, where did your DM order their copy? I'm up in Brisbane and ordered mine through Military Simulations in Moorabbin, Victoria. Delivery is quite speedy and I managed to pick my copy up for around half price through their crazy specials (I don't think its available at this price anymore though) . Check them out at the following link

Military Simulations

He actually bought it off e-bay for $26AU including postage to Australia.

Our local gaming store was charging $90 for a copy of the DLCS, and since we have to finish our other campaign first before we start the DL one, he didn't mind waiting. Though now we're all pretty eager for it to arrive!!!

I'll check out that other link, thanks heaps
#18
the_fools_wildhunt
Jun 01, 2004 1:57:16
Hey edgelett, where did your DM order their copy? I'm up in Brisbane and ordered mine through Military Simulations in Moorabbin, Victoria. Delivery is quite speedy and I managed to pick my copy up for around half price through their crazy specials (I don't think its available at this price anymore though) . Check them out at the following link

Don't know about that, I live in Adelaide and have ordered from Mil Sims on 5 occasions. 1 has arrived on time and the rest have been 1 week- 2 months late and often wrong.

Ebay currently looks like a better option.

And Edgelett, nice to know I will have a big meat bag to stand behind in the game.:D Might have to shuffle for space behind you with the rogue.:D
#19
quentingeorge
Jun 01, 2004 2:08:44 I'm from ACT, Australia, and I second the recommendation of Military Simulations.

Never had a problem with distribution - generally they are the earliest to get RPG stuff in Australia.

Order has always been correct.

Sometimes expensive, but no overly so compared to other places in Australia.
#20
edgelett
Jun 01, 2004 3:22:31 sorry if me & fools_wildhunt are annoying you guys with all these questions, but it's our first DLCS game!!

Quickie about the Noble class - does anyone here play it, and is it a useful/good class?

Cause I'm considering multiclassing fighter/noble before I take levels in Knight of the Crown, just for something different.
#21
theredrobedwizard
Jun 01, 2004 7:46:56 Noble is an excellent class if you can use the class features to their full awesomeness.

My suggestion is: Noble 7/Ranger 6/Legionaire of Steel 2/Legion Scout 5

But that's only because me and the Knights of Solamnia don't get along very well.

-TRRW

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 edgelett May 30, 2004 18:58:23	OK, my DM ordered the DLCS a few weeks ago, since we're in Australia it's taking some time for it to arrive... SO I hope you can all bear with me & answer a question that we can't answer since we don't have the book yet!! Is a Knight of Solamnia a prestige class, or a core class?? If it's a prestige class, is there a class prerequisite before you can take it?? (IE is it available only to fighters, or nobles, or noble fighters?) THanks, will help me decide on what character to play.
#2 zombiegleemax May 30, 2004 19:24:11	It is indeed a prestige class, with various prerequisites. You must be a fighter, and more than that I simply don't know off hand, considering I'm at work. :D
#3 zombiegleemax May 30, 2004 19:24:19	Prestige Class. Requirements: Alignment: Lawful Good Base Attack Bonus: +3 Base Save Bonus: +4 Skills: Diplomacy 2, Knowledge (religion) 2, Ride 2 Feats: Armor Proficiency (Heavy), Honorbound, Martial Weapon Proficiency (any one), Shield Proficiency Special: Squire of the Crown: The character must already have been accepted as a squire.
#4 nuke May 30, 2004 21:51:11	That's supposed to be a base FORT save of +4. So Fighters, and Clerics of Kiri-Jolith (with the War domain) can easily become KoS at 4th level. A cleric of Habbakuk could too if they spent a feat to be proficient in a Martial Weapon, although they would be limited to Knight of the Crown..
#5 greylord May 31, 2004 1:00:36	If you want to ever be a Knight of the Sword or Knight of the Rose you almost HAVE to take Clerical levels.
#6 zombiegleemax May 31, 2004 1:07:21	Or mystic levels... The requirements I wrote earlier are of course for a Knight of the Crown
#7 edgelett May 31, 2004 3:15:08	cool, thanks a lot for the info guys..I haven't played a fighter for years, so I thought fighter/knight of the crown would be a great way to go. thanks heaps!!
#8 the_fools_wildhunt May 31, 2004 7:25:21	Sorry to hijack the thread a little, but I did not want to start another on a little question. I might be playing in the campaign edgelett is referring to. I have not played DL since the original box set and the new campaign will be set in the current timeline, something I no nothing about. Anyway, I was thinking of a Qualinost Druid. 1. Do druids exist in DL? I ask because I don't know how spells work now. 2. If druids do not exist, are there other similar classes? Mystic or something? 3. Are the Qualinost (and Silvenost) racial bonuses the same as the ones in the players handbook? Thank You.
#9 zombiegleemax May 31, 2004 8:10:27	1. Yes, they are priests (or clerics) who are a little different to other priest (ie. they wildshape). 2. Not really. 3. No, but seeing as i don't have my book here i can't tell you what they are (and i could be a bit wrong about some stuff, but i'm pretty sure i'm not).
#10 theredrobedwizard May 31, 2004 8:17:46	Qualinost and Sivanost are cities (I think), so their racial bonuses are nil. Qualinesti and Silvanesti elves, on the other hand, get different bonuses than the base elves in the PHB. ----- 1) Druids exist during the Age of Mortals. 2) A Mystic with any of the "nature-y" domains would work fine as a substitute. You may also want to talk to your DM about playing as a Spirit Shaman (from Complete Divine). They talk to Spirits and cast without preperation, which is nice. Its a nice class for Kender or Nomadic Humans to take instead of druid, fits the flavor more. 3) Check the DLCS when it shows up, they both have some very cool bonuses AND penalties. -TRRW
#11 karui_kage May 31, 2004 10:27:32	Originally posted by the_fools_wildhunt 1. Do druids exist in DL? I ask because I don't know how spells work now. Yes, druids exist. The only difference is quoted from the book: "A druid in a Dragonlance campaign must worship a patron deity, just like a cleric. Good druids revere Habbakuk, while evil ones worship Zeboim. Lawful neutral, chaotic neutral, and true neutral druids all revere Chislev." 2. If druids do not exist, are there other similar classes? Mystic or something? Mystics are just spontaneous casting Clerics, in a way. All spellcasters in the world of Krynn are different, somewhat. Clerics get their divine power from the gods, just as druids do, only they both get it in different forms. Wizards get their powers from gods as well, only they rely on the three moons of magic for it (each on an alignment of good, neutral, or evil). Sorcerers cast arcane magic as well, but gain their power from the primal energies associated with the planet, no god involved. Mystics are similar, only they cast clerical spells like a sorcerer, and gain their power from the heart. 3. Are the Qualinost (and Silvenost) racial bonuses the same as the ones in the players handbook? No. (Not sure if its ok to post this info here, so feel free to remove it if I shouldn't, ops) Qualinesti get all the elven racial traits in the PHB, except as follows: Elvensight, +1 racial bonus on Diplomacy and Sense Motive, different Auto and Bonus languages obviously. Silvanesti get all the same elven racial as the PHB elves, save for the following: +2 Dex, +2 Int, -2 Con, -2 Cha. Elvensight. +1 racial bonus on Knowledge (arcana) and Spellcraft checks. Different Auto and Bonus languages as well. So you know, Elvensight is possessed by all true elves on Krynn. All this is is a combination of low-light vision along with 30 ft. darkvision, with full color for low light and black and white for darkvision, as normal.
#12 the_fools_wildhunt May 31, 2004 12:31:18	Thank you very much Karui Kage, that helps a lot. Can get onto developing some character ideas for the campaign. Also thanks to Red Robed Wizard and Raspu. Cheers.
#13 karui_kage May 31, 2004 17:58:07	Originally posted by edgelett OK, my DM ordered the DLCS a few weeks ago, since we're in Australia it's taking some time for it to arrive... SO I hope you can all bear with me & answer a question that we can't answer since we don't have the book yet!! Is a Knight of Solamnia a prestige class, or a core class?? If it's a prestige class, is there a class prerequisite before you can take it?? (IE is it available only to fighters, or nobles, or noble fighters?) THanks, will help me decide on what character to play. The Knights of Solamnia are one of my favorite sets of prestige classes, the first I've seen where you need one to advance to the other. The Knight of the Rose is a great fighter/cleric prestige class, with cleric spells every level, fighter base attack bonus and hit points, and great abilities. Of course, it includes having three levels in the Knight of the Sword as a requirement. The Knight of the Sword is the cleric section of the Knights, and gets powers accordingly. Cleric base attack, abilities, spells, etc. The Knight of the Sword includes in its requirements that it needs one level of Knight of the Crown. Knight of the Crown would be the fighter build, with no spells, but fighter base attack, hit points, and appropriate abilities. If you were to try to go through them as quick as possible, my recommendation would be Cleric 4/KoC 1/KoS 3/KoR ? . However, there are also roleplaying requirements to consider. The KoS and KoR both have requirements that have the player perform acts of honor and genorosity, travel great distances, and fight evil foes of certain power. The Knight of the Rose is a powerful prestige class (since it is pretty much a mix of the best of the KoC and KoS), but this is because it is the ranks of the Knight's leaders, and thus difficult to reach. As a DM, I would try to make reaching this rank challenging for the player, with the first level in it including a lot of roleplay and some great relief for the player who has tried for so many levels to reach it. All in all, great prestige classes.
#14 edgelett May 31, 2004 18:20:17	Originally posted by Karui_Kage If you were to try to go through them as quick as possible, my recommendation would be Cleric 4/KoC 1/KoS 3/KoR ? . Very tempting, but I'm playing a cleric at the moment & don't know if I want to leap straight in to Cleric again.... I might start fighter/KoC then if my character manages to stay alive (he he) maybe a few cleric levels, then KoS & KoR. Thanks for all the info people, I might go home tonight & start rolling stats!!
#15 zombiegleemax May 31, 2004 19:12:18	Originally posted by edgelett OK, my DM ordered the DLCS a few weeks ago, since we're in Australia it's taking some time for it to arrive... Hey edgelett, where did your DM order their copy? I'm up in Brisbane and ordered mine through Military Simulations in Moorabbin, Victoria. Delivery is quite speedy and I managed to pick my copy up for around half price through their crazy specials (I don't think its available at this price anymore though) . Check them out at the following link Military Simulations
#16 zombiegleemax May 31, 2004 20:31:59	Originally posted by Nuke So Fighters, and Clerics of Kiri-Jolith (with the War domain) can easily become KoS at 4th level. A cleric of Habbakuk could too if they spent a feat to be proficient in a Martial Weapon, although they would be limited to Knight of the Crown.. Not necessarily. A cleric of Habbakuk / Knight of the Crown would have to pray to Kiri-Jolith for divine spells when he advanced to the Knights of the Sword, but he should be able to return to the worship of Habbakuk if he attains membership of the Knights of the Rose. Paladine is the patron of the Rose Knights, and he's mortal now, so it stands to reason that individual Rose Knights could pray to either of the surviving Triumvirate members for spells. On another note, a mystic with the War domain is also a good candidate for KoS membership.
#17 edgelett May 31, 2004 20:52:01	Originally posted by Kalthasian Talanward Hey edgelett, where did your DM order their copy? I'm up in Brisbane and ordered mine through Military Simulations in Moorabbin, Victoria. Delivery is quite speedy and I managed to pick my copy up for around half price through their crazy specials (I don't think its available at this price anymore though) . Check them out at the following link Military Simulations He actually bought it off e-bay for $26AU including postage to Australia. Our local gaming store was charging $90 for a copy of the DLCS, and since we have to finish our other campaign first before we start the DL one, he didn't mind waiting. Though now we're all pretty eager for it to arrive!!! I'll check out that other link, thanks heaps
#18 the_fools_wildhunt Jun 01, 2004 1:57:16	Hey edgelett, where did your DM order their copy? I'm up in Brisbane and ordered mine through Military Simulations in Moorabbin, Victoria. Delivery is quite speedy and I managed to pick my copy up for around half price through their crazy specials (I don't think its available at this price anymore though) . Check them out at the following link Don't know about that, I live in Adelaide and have ordered from Mil Sims on 5 occasions. 1 has arrived on time and the rest have been 1 week- 2 months late and often wrong. Ebay currently looks like a better option. And Edgelett, nice to know I will have a big meat bag to stand behind in the game.:D Might have to shuffle for space behind you with the rogue.:D
#19 quentingeorge Jun 01, 2004 2:08:44	I'm from ACT, Australia, and I second the recommendation of Military Simulations. Never had a problem with distribution - generally they are the earliest to get RPG stuff in Australia. Order has always been correct. Sometimes expensive, but no overly so compared to other places in Australia.
#20 edgelett Jun 01, 2004 3:22:31	sorry if me & fools_wildhunt are annoying you guys with all these questions, but it's our first DLCS game!! Quickie about the Noble class - does anyone here play it, and is it a useful/good class? Cause I'm considering multiclassing fighter/noble before I take levels in Knight of the Crown, just for something different.
#21 theredrobedwizard Jun 01, 2004 7:46:56	Noble is an excellent class if you can use the class features to their full awesomeness. My suggestion is: Noble 7/Ranger 6/Legionaire of Steel 2/Legion Scout 5 But that's only because me and the Knights of Solamnia don't get along very well. -TRRW