Do they have settlements (sp)? how do they live now?
I ask this because one of my players want to play and elf silvanesti, and I want to be able to explain him the situation of his ppl.
Thanks.
but most of them are in the dust plains seeking refugee for the time..but probebly will try to conqer their countries..
some elves naturally act as a resistance in their country...they probebly have small settelments nearby.
some elves live in other races' settelments...
And we mustn´t forget that a very large portion of the elven population are civilians with no chance of winning a fight and these elves were either slaughtered or fled the city. I don´t really think the elves have a large enough force left to really make a difference against the minotaurs
That is not to say they´re not fighting...I think they´re running some kind of guerilla warfare against the minotaurs much like the Qualinesti elves against the Dark Knights...
Originally posted by Twilight Herald
An after-the-fact question, to be true, but why did the elves feel the need to completely abandon Silvanesti and Qualinesti? Sure, Qualinost is destroyed, and Silvanost is occupied by minotaurs, but these are elves we're talking about! The kirath and wildrunners could have slaughtered every clumsy minotaur who ventured beyond the city limits of Silvanost! And for elves, the wild forests of Qualinesti should have been a perfect bastion from which to launch a guerilla war against the assorted forces of mercenaries, Dark Knights, and draconians.
The Bestiary of Krynn encounter tables for Qualinesti and Silvanesti mention "Elven resistance", although it specifically refers to the period after the War of Souls. Doubtless human and minotaur settlers would be very vulnerable to their attacks.
Originally posted by fanpythonmonty
What about the Kagonesti Elves? The DLCS made it sound like they were always nomads in the forests of Southern Ergoth, even through the WoS. I ask because I'll be playing a Kaginesti and I need to come up with a backstory for my DM as to why she ended up in Pashin (starting point of his campaign).
They are nomads in the forests of southern ergoth,
I guess that many of them are servants of other elves in silvenmori and qualimori, nad some of them are living peacfully as far as they can(because of the white dragon overlord).
As for your hero, you can say your tribe was attacked and forced you to walk far away from there.
Or you can say that your familiy was captured by elves, and your hero is in search for power for the time when he will free his familiy or something like that.
Originally posted by fanpythonmonty
The DLCS says they "...survived the rise of the Ergothian Empire, the sundering of their forest from the mainland during the Cataclysm, the advances of the dragonarmies, and even managed to resist the tyranny of the dragon overlord..." It goes on to refer to interference by other elves' attempt to "civilize" them. I guess I was under the impression that they had managed to remain "simple" nomads doing their own thing and defending themselves when threatened. Did anyone else get that idea?
Yep...you are not alone.
Originally posted by Calabozo
where is this silvamori and qualimori
Southren ergoth, in a forest west from the "last gaard mountains"
Originally posted by Ravenmantle
And we mustn´t forget that a very large portion of the elven population are civilians with no chance of winning a fight and these elves were either slaughtered or fled the city. I don´t really think the elves have a large enough force left to really make a difference against the minotaurs
An elven civilian is a far cry from the human equivalent... all elves are racially proficient in swordcraft, archery, and forest lore, etc. They should be able to completely dominate the minotaurs in a woodland environment! Anyway, I've never quite understood how losing the main cities of Qualinost and Silvanost equated to losing the associated countries - did the elves evacuate from every town, village, and forest settlement when the capitals fell?
http://karuikage.net/dragonlance/ansalonfull1.jpg
That is one map I have, that I believe is pre-war of souls (no lake of death or desolation). It seems to have most of the towns and cities listed, save for maybe the villages that are 50 or less people. Check out the forests of Silvanesti and Qualinesti. They have a few towns and other areas that the elves could live in, but compared to their capital, they are not much. The capitals had the respective towers, and was a huge symbol of each race. If you look at all the towns and cities the humans have, the elves have very few. Even the kender have about as many cities on Ergoth as either of the elven nations in their forests.
Not to mention that while Silvanesti is not entirely taken over by minotaurs, the dark knights and mercenaries have thoroughly entrenched themselves in Qualinesti. Personally, I just think that, since this is so recent, the loss of both capitals (and respective towers) and desecration of their forests has just thrown the elves into serious disarray.
Originally posted by Karui_Kage
Personally, I always thought of Krynn as a very small place, compared to other settings. The reason the loss of these two cities affected the elves so much is because, in comparison to the humans, they were the only real two main cities. Sure, they have other very small villages and towns, but these are so small in comparison. Elves as a whole don't appear to be nearly as numerous as they are in other worlds, especially compared to humans.
http://karuikage.net/dragonlance/ansalonfull1.jpg
That is one map I have, that I believe is pre-war of souls (no lake of death or desolation). It seems to have most of the towns and cities listed, save for maybe the villages that are 50 or less people. Check out the forests of Silvanesti and Qualinesti. They have a few towns and other areas that the elves could live in, but compared to their capital, they are not much. The capitals had the respective towers, and was a huge symbol of each race. If you look at all the towns and cities the humans have, the elves have very few. Even the kender have about as many cities on Ergoth as either of the elven nations in their forests.
Not to mention that while Silvanesti is not entirely taken over by minotaurs, the dark knights and mercenaries have thoroughly entrenched themselves in Qualinesti. Personally, I just think that, since this is so recent, the loss of both capitals (and respective towers) and desecration of their forests has just thrown the elves into serious disarray.
I have one word- WOW!!!
This is the best map I have ever seen.
Where did you get it?
Originally posted by stige
I have one word- WOW!!!
This is the best map I have ever seen.
Where did you get it?
Its the map that was included in the 2nd Edition AD&D "Tales of the Lance" boxed set. It sure was a beaut.
I used photoshop to piece it together as best I could, but there were some gaps and areas missing. Overall though, its a good map. I use both it and the current post-WoS map (one that is up as a Web Enhancment for DLCS) for my games. They help a lot. 1) Silvanesti - A society that is tightly controlled and ordered, with Silvanesti being one gigantic english garden. More urbanized than the other two elven subraces.
2) Qualinesti - A society that is freer and more open, which strives to leave nature untouched. Qualinesti settlements, aside from the city of Qualinost, are almost invisible.
3) Kagonesti - Meat eating, tree cutting, raging barbarian badasses. Warriors, hunters and gatherers who don't go into all that touchy feely tree hugging new age stuff that the other two "more civilized" elven races are so in love with.
Of course, that's just me. I imagine that others have had different impressions of the elven cultures.
As to where the elves are... where aren't they? Since the destruction of the twin elven kingdoms they are pretty much everywhere. Sure many are refugees in the plains of dust, but many are serving as mercs, some are serving human lords as forest wardens and rangers, some are in street gangs in human cities such as Flotsam and Palanthas. I imagine given Zeboim's blessing, many elves are taking to the sea, and have probably "discovered" Taladas by now. It's well past time that the two continents were brought together in my opinion.
Originally posted by ferratus
I've always played the cultural differences between the elves this way.
3) Kagonesti - Meat eating, tree cutting, raging barbarian badasses. Warriors, hunters and gatherers who don't go into all that touchy feely tree hugging new age stuff that the other two "more civilized" elven races are so in love with.
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as far as I know...Kagonesti elves dont cut trees, they leave nature as it is...about the meat thingy i dont know...
Originally posted by ferratus
I'm basing the tree cutting thing on the log longhouses that they live in. Sort of like Micmacs it seemed like, though I don't know if they were the inspiration or not.
Maybe they use dead wood to build their buildings (this is how other elves use wood).
But it is still sound a bit odd.