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Red Wizards

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#1
zombiegleemax
Jun 14, 2004 15:58:43 Besides Hazlik in Hazlan, are there any other Red Wizards in Ravenloft? The DM's guide actually says that you can't take the Red Wizard prestige class for your character which makes sense. But it seems strange to think that Hazlik was the only one from Thay in the Dread Realms.
#2
zombiegleemax
Jun 14, 2004 18:02:53 "red wizard of thay" is copyrighted by wizards...even though ravenloft is officially licensed they still don't use any terms with any other d+d realm...you can still have the prestige class if you want/
#3
john_w._mangrum
Jun 14, 2004 22:33:26
Originally posted by Troile
"red wizard of thay" is copyrighted by wizards...even though ravenloft is officially licensed they still don't use any terms with any other d+d realm...you can still have the prestige class if you want/

However, they can use select items with permission.

For example: If they weren't allowed to reference the red wizard PrC, they wouldn't have been able to include a note banning its use in RL.

Which, I have to say, struck me as odd, considering that Hazlik is a red wizard and has been actively teaching students in his methods.

Not to mention that that section was also intended to cover what happens to those prestige classes when they enter the demiplane, as opposed to just natives, so all the simplistic "not allowed" notes actually served to defeat the section's purpose.
#4
zombiegleemax
Jun 14, 2004 23:09:17
Originally posted by John W. Mangrum
[b]However, they can use select items with permission.

Which, I have to say, struck me as odd, considering that Hazlik is a red wizard and has been actively teaching students in his methods.

I couldn't agree more. Hazlik has since instituionalized the arcane arts in his domain, and has established his very own wizard academy at Ramulai. I'd think there would be at least several mages who though not from Thay themselves would be trained and disciplined in the same way that all "normal" Red Wizards are. It just seems weird that there's no mention of that.
#5
zombiegleemax
Jun 14, 2004 23:36:55
even though ravenloft is officially licensed

what I was trying to get was even though they are licensed to use certain phrases and things...all connections to other game worlds were voluntarily severed...it was probably just a decision to have a self contained game...and to make everything simpler.

ie you don't have to have the red wizard of thay rules to use hazlik...etc etc

I'd say feel free to add them back in your game.
#6
zar_niln
Jun 15, 2004 0:53:26 My DM is allowing Hugo to take the Red Wizard prestige class. It makes sense that Hazlik would teach his way, the Red Wizard focus-on-one-school-and-let-the-rest-go-to-the-Abyss way.
#7
zombiegleemax
Jun 15, 2004 11:28:42
Originally posted by John W. Mangrum

Which, I have to say, struck me as odd, considering that Hazlik is a red wizard and has been actively teaching students in his methods.

Has there been any explanation for why that decision was made? I don't have the Red Wizard PrC for reference (it's not in the SRD) and can't think of it having anything that would break in Ravenloft.
#8
zombiegleemax
Jun 15, 2004 13:48:11 I don't think it was a decision for the game balance of ravenloft...but more just so that they don't have to say...go out and buy the faerun book...go out and buy dark sun...its kind of like it has its own independance as its own game world.

Of course they could've said that it was optional...but I think officially they want to be cut off from the other game worlds.

It works vice versa too. Even the planescape book doesn't actually reference the demiplane of dread...there is just a small hint about it b/c its still in the d+d world...but it exists mostly on its own.
#9
john_w._mangrum
Jun 15, 2004 16:06:51
Originally posted by Brandi
Has there been any explanation for why that decision was made? I don't have the Red Wizard PrC for reference (it's not in the SRD) and can't think of it having anything that would break in Ravenloft.

I wrote that section, and I don't know for sure why it was done -- I didn't have access to the 3.5 DMG until much later, so all the info on prestige classes only added to the DMG in the revised edition was added by the developers. So you'd have to ask them.
#10
zombiegleemax
Jun 16, 2004 17:46:59 Yoo-hoo, Dark Duo! :D

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Jun 14, 2004 15:58:43	Besides Hazlik in Hazlan, are there any other Red Wizards in Ravenloft? The DM's guide actually says that you can't take the Red Wizard prestige class for your character which makes sense. But it seems strange to think that Hazlik was the only one from Thay in the Dread Realms.
#2 zombiegleemax Jun 14, 2004 18:02:53	"red wizard of thay" is copyrighted by wizards...even though ravenloft is officially licensed they still don't use any terms with any other d+d realm...you can still have the prestige class if you want/
#3 john_w._mangrum Jun 14, 2004 22:33:26	Originally posted by Troile "red wizard of thay" is copyrighted by wizards...even though ravenloft is officially licensed they still don't use any terms with any other d+d realm...you can still have the prestige class if you want/ However, they can use select items with permission. For example: If they weren't allowed to reference the red wizard PrC, they wouldn't have been able to include a note banning its use in RL. Which, I have to say, struck me as odd, considering that Hazlik is a red wizard and has been actively teaching students in his methods. Not to mention that that section was also intended to cover what happens to those prestige classes when they enter the demiplane, as opposed to just natives, so all the simplistic "not allowed" notes actually served to defeat the section's purpose.
#4 zombiegleemax Jun 14, 2004 23:09:17	Originally posted by John W. Mangrum [b]However, they can use select items with permission. Which, I have to say, struck me as odd, considering that Hazlik is a red wizard and has been actively teaching students in his methods. I couldn't agree more. Hazlik has since instituionalized the arcane arts in his domain, and has established his very own wizard academy at Ramulai. I'd think there would be at least several mages who though not from Thay themselves would be trained and disciplined in the same way that all "normal" Red Wizards are. It just seems weird that there's no mention of that.
#5 zombiegleemax Jun 14, 2004 23:36:55	even though ravenloft is officially licensed what I was trying to get was even though they are licensed to use certain phrases and things...all connections to other game worlds were voluntarily severed...it was probably just a decision to have a self contained game...and to make everything simpler. ie you don't have to have the red wizard of thay rules to use hazlik...etc etc I'd say feel free to add them back in your game.
#6 zar_niln Jun 15, 2004 0:53:26	My DM is allowing Hugo to take the Red Wizard prestige class. It makes sense that Hazlik would teach his way, the Red Wizard focus-on-one-school-and-let-the-rest-go-to-the-Abyss way.
#7 zombiegleemax Jun 15, 2004 11:28:42	Originally posted by John W. Mangrum Which, I have to say, struck me as odd, considering that Hazlik is a red wizard and has been actively teaching students in his methods. Has there been any explanation for why that decision was made? I don't have the Red Wizard PrC for reference (it's not in the SRD) and can't think of it having anything that would break in Ravenloft.
#8 zombiegleemax Jun 15, 2004 13:48:11	I don't think it was a decision for the game balance of ravenloft...but more just so that they don't have to say...go out and buy the faerun book...go out and buy dark sun...its kind of like it has its own independance as its own game world. Of course they could've said that it was optional...but I think officially they want to be cut off from the other game worlds. It works vice versa too. Even the planescape book doesn't actually reference the demiplane of dread...there is just a small hint about it b/c its still in the d+d world...but it exists mostly on its own.
#9 john_w._mangrum Jun 15, 2004 16:06:51	Originally posted by Brandi Has there been any explanation for why that decision was made? I don't have the Red Wizard PrC for reference (it's not in the SRD) and can't think of it having anything that would break in Ravenloft. I wrote that section, and I don't know for sure why it was done -- I didn't have access to the 3.5 DMG until much later, so all the info on prestige classes only added to the DMG in the revised edition was added by the developers. So you'd have to ask them.
#10 zombiegleemax Jun 16, 2004 17:46:59	Yoo-hoo, Dark Duo! :D