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The Measure

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#1
hatrel
Jun 14, 2004 17:38:38 Now I know that there have been portions discussed in various sources, but I want to know if the Measure has ever been published in its entirety?

I know that this might be asking a lot, because there seems to be a TON of stuff in it, but this has always intrigued me. I am playing a KoS now and I was hoping to get a bit more info on the Measure itself.

Help, you great DragonLance Guru's!!!
#2
Dragonhelm
Jun 14, 2004 17:47:10 You want all 30+ (39?) books on the Measure published? ;) :D

Needless to say, it's a bit unrealistic to publish the Measure in its entirety. Not only is it huge, but it has been revised over the course of time as well.

However, one can gain the essentials through the Dragonlance Campaign Setting.

I'm not sure off the top of my head what other sources has information on the Measure.
#3
hatrel
Jun 14, 2004 17:48:31 I figured that it was large, but I was'nt sure how large. Thanks Dragonhelm. I will gleen what I need from the DLCS and anywhere else that I might find the info.
#4
brimstone
Jun 14, 2004 18:05:14
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
I'm not sure off the top of my head what other sources has information on the Measure.

SAGA's Heroes of Steel boxed set has a much more detailed essay on the Measure of the Knights of Solamnia (and the Code of the Knights of Nereka and the Legacy of the Legion of Steel).

But even it is lacking in fine detail. But, I think that it's really all you need for role playing. The rest of it, you can make up on the fly...after all, it's got 39 volumes (or however) so I'm sure it encompasses a lot. The Oath and the Measure novel by Sir Thomas Mallor-...uh, I mean Michael Williams has some detail on the Measure as well. Also, I think it's a good read. But, I know I'm in the minority on that one.
#5
talinthas
Jun 14, 2004 18:12:08 yes, brim, you certainly are.

i read that book once. i don't think i've even touched it in ten years. its sooooo dullllll.
#6
zombiegleemax
Jun 15, 2004 3:53:22 Can we have a Knight Book, With oll Knights and the circles?
#7
brimstone
Jun 15, 2004 9:22:50 Yes...a book on the knighthoods of Ansalon would be cool. So long as all three of them were included. Information on the Ergothian Cavaliers and the Divine Hammer would be a cool inclusion, too.
#8
zombiegleemax
Jun 15, 2004 9:29:19 Cool and the codex from the Knights of Solamnia and the Knights of Takishi. I have composite the codex for the knights of Takishi. But however i have many sources (DLCS, Hero of Steel Box, some Novels, Dragonhelm and some Knightsplayer) gives not for all Questions a clear answer. Ok its not 100% a codex. But is it a good guideline.
#9
ferratus
Jun 16, 2004 10:17:31 I would just like to stress that 40 volumes for the measure is an extremely consise legal text for the proper conduct of a Knight. Especially given that it deals with precedent rulings in hundreds of trials involving individual knights. Especially since it covers various reforms and expansions to the measure over a couple of thousand years of the knighthood's existance. Especially since it deals with the relationship of the knighthood with dozens of nations and cultures.

Obviously contradictions are going to creep in, because behind every legal text is a spirit of morality. The actions in one situation could be correct, while in another similiar situation could be incorrect. There will be different philosophies which will express themselves in different schools of legal thought. All that rich history of the knighthood, the complete conception of honour codified by a thousand voices. Gunthar and Erhling did a shameful thing when they gutted it to match what their so called "proper values". Mark my words, blood will be shed over their arrogance.

Fortuneately, there is still one complete version of the measure that still exists. Unfortunately it is guarded by the Death Knight Lord Krell. Solamnics with flowing mustaches and iron unyielding spirit... roll for initiative.
#10
zombiegleemax
Jun 21, 2004 4:29:52 I'LL DO IT!!!

Hehe...

The Oath and the Measure novel by Sir Thomas Mallor-...uh, I mean Michael Williams has some detail on the Measure as well.

rofl... that's good.
#11
brimstone
Jun 21, 2004 16:09:30
Originally posted by adembroski
rofl... that's good.

I couldn't pass it up. Even though I really like that book...I'm too weak a man to pass up an obvious jab like that. :D
#12
zombiegleemax
Jun 21, 2004 19:37:46 Understood. I personally am a fan of the Malory work, but that doesn't make it good for today's literature

As for the Oath and the Measure, I didn't get through it. It was a tad boring.
#13
brimstone
Jun 22, 2004 10:16:55
Originally posted by adembroski
Understood. I personally am a fan of the Malory work, but that doesn't make it good for today's literature

I am as well. I have a full copy...but I can't remember who's translation I have. It was an easier read than the previous one I had (the punctuation and the like). Although I would like to know who the "real" King Arthur truly was.

Anyway...it seems like a lot of people don't particularly enjoy William's books. I do...the only one I didn't like was TDK. He's got a different style of writing that I enjoy.
#14
zombiegleemax
Jun 23, 2004 1:51:04
Originally posted by Brimstone

Anyway...it seems like a lot of people don't particularly enjoy William's books. I do...the only one I didn't like was TDK. He's got a different style of writing that I enjoy.

He's a tad more "fairie tale" high fantasy, I think... he really puts a sort of celtic/Arthurian spin on it, which I like. I don't even know why I got bored with that book.

I'm gonna have to pick it up again, I think, give it another shot.

Does this constitute thread jacking, btw?
#15
brimstone
Jun 23, 2004 9:53:18
Originally posted by adembroski
Does this constitute thread jacking, btw?

In essence, yes, I think so.

But it looks like we waited at least until he got his questions answered. :D

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 hatrel Jun 14, 2004 17:38:38	Now I know that there have been portions discussed in various sources, but I want to know if the Measure has ever been published in its entirety? I know that this might be asking a lot, because there seems to be a TON of stuff in it, but this has always intrigued me. I am playing a KoS now and I was hoping to get a bit more info on the Measure itself. Help, you great DragonLance Guru's!!!
#2 Dragonhelm Jun 14, 2004 17:47:10	You want all 30+ (39?) books on the Measure published? ;) :D Needless to say, it's a bit unrealistic to publish the Measure in its entirety. Not only is it huge, but it has been revised over the course of time as well. However, one can gain the essentials through the Dragonlance Campaign Setting. I'm not sure off the top of my head what other sources has information on the Measure.
#3 hatrel Jun 14, 2004 17:48:31	I figured that it was large, but I was'nt sure how large. Thanks Dragonhelm. I will gleen what I need from the DLCS and anywhere else that I might find the info.
#4 brimstone Jun 14, 2004 18:05:14	Originally posted by Dragonhelm I'm not sure off the top of my head what other sources has information on the Measure. SAGA's Heroes of Steel boxed set has a much more detailed essay on the Measure of the Knights of Solamnia (and the Code of the Knights of Nereka and the Legacy of the Legion of Steel). But even it is lacking in fine detail. But, I think that it's really all you need for role playing. The rest of it, you can make up on the fly...after all, it's got 39 volumes (or however) so I'm sure it encompasses a lot. The Oath and the Measure novel by Sir Thomas Mallor-...uh, I mean Michael Williams has some detail on the Measure as well. Also, I think it's a good read. But, I know I'm in the minority on that one.
#5 talinthas Jun 14, 2004 18:12:08	yes, brim, you certainly are. i read that book once. i don't think i've even touched it in ten years. its sooooo dullllll.
#6 zombiegleemax Jun 15, 2004 3:53:22	Can we have a Knight Book, With oll Knights and the circles?
#7 brimstone Jun 15, 2004 9:22:50	Yes...a book on the knighthoods of Ansalon would be cool. So long as all three of them were included. Information on the Ergothian Cavaliers and the Divine Hammer would be a cool inclusion, too.
#8 zombiegleemax Jun 15, 2004 9:29:19	Cool and the codex from the Knights of Solamnia and the Knights of Takishi. I have composite the codex for the knights of Takishi. But however i have many sources (DLCS, Hero of Steel Box, some Novels, Dragonhelm and some Knightsplayer) gives not for all Questions a clear answer. Ok its not 100% a codex. But is it a good guideline.
#9 ferratus Jun 16, 2004 10:17:31	I would just like to stress that 40 volumes for the measure is an extremely consise legal text for the proper conduct of a Knight. Especially given that it deals with precedent rulings in hundreds of trials involving individual knights. Especially since it covers various reforms and expansions to the measure over a couple of thousand years of the knighthood's existance. Especially since it deals with the relationship of the knighthood with dozens of nations and cultures. Obviously contradictions are going to creep in, because behind every legal text is a spirit of morality. The actions in one situation could be correct, while in another similiar situation could be incorrect. There will be different philosophies which will express themselves in different schools of legal thought. All that rich history of the knighthood, the complete conception of honour codified by a thousand voices. Gunthar and Erhling did a shameful thing when they gutted it to match what their so called "proper values". Mark my words, blood will be shed over their arrogance. Fortuneately, there is still one complete version of the measure that still exists. Unfortunately it is guarded by the Death Knight Lord Krell. Solamnics with flowing mustaches and iron unyielding spirit... roll for initiative.
#10 zombiegleemax Jun 21, 2004 4:29:52	I'LL DO IT!!! Hehe... The Oath and the Measure novel by Sir Thomas Mallor-...uh, I mean Michael Williams has some detail on the Measure as well. rofl... that's good.
#11 brimstone Jun 21, 2004 16:09:30	Originally posted by adembroski rofl... that's good. I couldn't pass it up. Even though I really like that book...I'm too weak a man to pass up an obvious jab like that. :D
#12 zombiegleemax Jun 21, 2004 19:37:46	Understood. I personally am a fan of the Malory work, but that doesn't make it good for today's literature As for the Oath and the Measure, I didn't get through it. It was a tad boring.
#13 brimstone Jun 22, 2004 10:16:55	Originally posted by adembroski Understood. I personally am a fan of the Malory work, but that doesn't make it good for today's literature I am as well. I have a full copy...but I can't remember who's translation I have. It was an easier read than the previous one I had (the punctuation and the like). Although I would like to know who the "real" King Arthur truly was. Anyway...it seems like a lot of people don't particularly enjoy William's books. I do...the only one I didn't like was TDK. He's got a different style of writing that I enjoy.
#14 zombiegleemax Jun 23, 2004 1:51:04	Originally posted by Brimstone *Anyway...it seems like a lot of people don't particularly enjoy William's books. I do...the only one I didn't like was TDK. He's got a different style of writing that I enjoy.* He's a tad more "fairie tale" high fantasy, I think... he really puts a sort of celtic/Arthurian spin on it, which I like. I don't even know why I got bored with that book. I'm gonna have to pick it up again, I think, give it another shot. Does this constitute thread jacking, btw?
#15 brimstone Jun 23, 2004 9:53:18	Originally posted by adembroski Does this constitute thread jacking, btw? In essence, yes, I think so. But it looks like we waited at least until he got his questions answered. :D