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#1
zombiegleemax
Jun 26, 2004 23:25:48 Wondering what your thoughts were on this:

Does the D&D cartoon have a touch of greyhawk, or is it quite 'stand alone'?
#2
mortellan
Jun 27, 2004 0:39:01 Sad to say this was actually a topic at greychat thrusday. Yeah it had alot of GH stuff like bullywugs and such. What I think is more glaring is how Unearthed Arcana influenced the toon. Cavalier, Barbarian, Acrobat, etc.
#3
Mortepierre
Jun 27, 2004 1:51:53 Eh, at least it allowed us to see Warduke in action once
#4
bluebomber4evr
Jun 27, 2004 21:21:35 The world of the old D&D cartoon was NOT Greyhawk. For one, the cartoon world had FIVE suns. Second, the entire place was a prison of sorts as revealed in the script for the unproduced final episode, which you can find on Michael Reaves' homepage at http://www.mindspring.com/~michaelreaves/D&Dpreface.html

While the cartoon had a lot of monsters that were in Greyhawk, they took the monsters straight from the Monster Manual, Monster Manual II, and Fiend Folio....none of which were specifically Greyhawk.

Nor were there any Greyhawk-specific locations mentioned...ever...not even the City of Greyhawk itself. Instead, as its own world, it had its own myriad of bizarre locations.
#5
zombiegleemax
Jun 28, 2004 8:33:58 Slightly off topic

The cartoon episodes are being released in the UK on DVD (I think the first season is out, with the other two to follow by September, with a compete boxed set in September).

However, they are all Region specific (European region) DVD's, so they won't play on your USA-bought DVD player.

Given this, it would seem only a matter of time before they are released in the US region format.

On thread,

No, it was not related to Greyhawk in any way. Although I would be interested to hear if anyone has incorporated an Energy Bow or Club of Strength into their campaigns. Players have likely clamored for them ever since 1983.
#6
zombiegleemax
Jun 28, 2004 10:15:49 I thought it was unique with elements of the Realm of Greyhawk. Great Cartoon!
#7
Brom_Blackforge
Jun 28, 2004 13:27:56
Originally posted by Huron
Although I would be interested to hear if anyone has incorporated an Energy Bow or Club of Strength into their campaigns. Players have likely clamored for them ever since 1983.

The ranger in the campaign I'm running just asked for an energy bow at our last session, although I think he was at least partly kidding. I have no intention of giving him one, and I think he knows it. That's probably why he has started showing interest in the arcane archer prestige class - he probably figures that's as close as he'll be able to get.
#8
zombiegleemax
Jun 28, 2004 13:35:55 Wouldnt it be great if the stats for Venger would be published? :D :D :D
#9
Mortepierre
Jun 28, 2004 15:39:43
Originally posted by Huron
Although I would be interested to hear if anyone has incorporated an Energy Bow or Club of Strength into their campaigns. Players have likely clamored for them ever since 1983.

Eh, when 3E came out and I looked through the DMG, I was a bit surprised to discover the new "Brilliant Energy" weapons. At the time, I thought the author must have been a fan of the old cartoon :D
#10
Mortepierre
Jun 28, 2004 15:46:25
Originally posted by Bluebomber4evr
Second, the entire place was a prison of sorts as revealed in the script for the unproduced final episode, which you can find on Michael Reaves' homepage at http://www.mindspring.com/~michaelreaves/D&Dpreface.html

Thanks for the link! I always wondered how the adventures of the kids ended up.

Funny, there is a reference to the Sea of Sorrow. Maybe they were in Ravenloft all along :D
#11
Halberkill
Jun 28, 2004 17:32:21
Originally posted by Bluebomber4evr
Nor were there any Greyhawk-specific locations mentioned...ever...not even the City of Greyhawk itself. Instead, as its own world, it had its own myriad of bizarre locations.

Actually there was one, when asked who won the world series, DM said it was the "Greyhawk Elves". Though strangely enough, in the reshowing of the cartoon on Cartoon Network, the line was changed to "greatwood elves" or something like that.

I know this because I have a tape of the original and the new cartoon network one.

Halber
#12
bluebomber4evr
Jun 28, 2004 20:57:25
Originally posted by Halberkill
Actually there was one, when asked who won the world series, DM said it was the "Greyhawk Elves". Though strangely enough, in the reshowing of the cartoon on Cartoon Network, the line was changed to "greatwood elves" or something like that.

I know this because I have a tape of the original and the new cartoon network one.

Halber

Fox re-ran the episodes about four years ago, but it never aired on Cartoon Network. I taped a lot of the episodes that Fox re-ran, and the only change that I noticed was the new introductory sequence.

Which episode is this?
#13
Mortepierre
Jun 29, 2004 2:39:47
Originally posted by Huron
The cartoon episodes are being released in the UK on DVD (I think the first season is out, with the other two to follow by September, with a compete boxed set in September).

I've got the first two. They cover 7 episodes each. The second had a mention that 2 more DVDs would be released.

That's 28 episodes total, hardly 3 seasons .. unless they are planning for more
#14
scoti_garbidis
Jun 29, 2004 8:23:51
Originally posted by Bluebomber4evr
Fox re-ran the episodes about four years ago, but it never aired on Cartoon Network. I taped a lot of the episodes that Fox re-ran, and the only change that I noticed was the new introductory sequence.

Which episode is this?

I thought the Cartoon Network did re-air or was it on Fox that they re-aired these just before the D&D movie came out? Just wonderin...
#15
zombiegleemax
Jun 29, 2004 9:44:50 The new introduction used by Fox was just terrible. I wonder why they didnt use the originals. They were just so much better.
#16
Halberkill
Jun 29, 2004 10:17:15
Originally posted by Bluebomber4evr
Fox re-ran the episodes about four years ago, but it never aired on Cartoon Network. I taped a lot of the episodes that Fox re-ran, and the only change that I noticed was the new introductory sequence.

Which episode is this?

You are right, the ones I have are from Fox, with the crappy opening, though they were shown on Cartoon Network also, but I didn't record them, even though I watched them.

As to the episode....I think it was the one that had Lolth in it...not sure though, I would have to re-view them be certain. It was at the beginning of the episode, and I think it was the first season.

Halber
#17
Halberkill
Jun 29, 2004 10:26:53
Originally posted by Mortepierre
That's 28 episodes total, hardly 3 seasons .. unless they are planning for more

The third season was never finished, and there were only 27 episodes total...

http://www.zaksrealm.net/EpisodeGuide.html

Halber
#18
zombiegleemax
Jun 29, 2004 10:51:36
Originally posted by Halberkill
You are right, the ones I have are from Fox, with the crappy opening, though they were shown on Cartoon Network also, but I didn't record them, even though I watched them.

As to the episode....I think it was the one that had Lolth in it...not sure though, I would have to re-view them be certain. It was at the beginning of the episode, and I think it was the first season.

Halber

It was a first season episode in which dungeon master is captured by Warduke. And the question was directed at a "Know Tree" not DM. Also, as I recall, it was the Greywood elves, not the greatwood or Greyhawk elves. I have decent copies of some episodes of the original two seasons from their first (1980's) broadcast, including that one.

Thus, I don't believe that there ever were any DIRECTLY RELATED references to Greyhawk in the cartoons.
#19
zombiegleemax
Jun 29, 2004 12:26:14 Were the stats for any of the characters in the cartoon ever released in any product?
#20
zombiegleemax
Jun 29, 2004 14:35:24 Well, there was Tiamat . . .:D
#21
zombiegleemax
Jun 30, 2004 8:22:56
Originally posted by Mortepierre
I've got the first two. They cover 7 episodes each. . . .

Do you happen to know if these DVD's have the original opening sequence (1980's sequence) or is it something different/new.
#22
zombiegleemax
Jun 30, 2004 9:47:53
Originally posted by adventureauthor
Well, there was Tiamat . . .:D

True, but I was thinking more like Venger. There was a 1st edition module called the Search for the Heartstone or something like that that had Kelek, and Strongheart, etc, and a few months ago Dungeon or Dragon magazine 3.5ed Warduke.
#23
zombiegleemax
Jun 30, 2004 10:21:33
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
True, but I was thinking more like Venger. There was a 1st edition module called the Search for the Heartstone or something like that that had Kelek, and Strongheart, etc, and a few months ago Dungeon or Dragon magazine 3.5ed Warduke.

I think the module went along with the action figures of Strongheart and Warduke. (aka a tie-in marketing tool for the toy line)
#24
zombiegleemax
Jun 30, 2004 10:30:31 Yes Huron I think you are right and I think that the cartoon put these characters in the story for the same reason.
#25
kar-vermin
Jun 30, 2004 10:47:55
Originally posted by Huron
I think the module went along with the action figures of Strongheart and Warduke. (aka a tie-in marketing tool for the toy line)

It did indeed, but it was actually a pretty decent module all the same. I ran it for my players shortly after it came out (placing the Home of the Heartstone in the Gnarly Hills, IIRC)
#26
zombiegleemax
Jun 30, 2004 11:02:03 It actually wasnt a bad module and the art was pretty neat, especially for the characters. Some of the names were corny though.
#27
Mortepierre
Jun 30, 2004 11:59:34
Originally posted by Huron
Do you happen to know if these DVD's have the original opening sequence (1980's sequence) or is it something different/new.

It's not something "new", that's for sure.

Up to now, all 14 episodes released so far have the same intro. Kids at a fair jump in a wagon, ride into the "D&D house", fall in a vortex, find themselves in the D&D world where Dungeonmaster give them each a magic item and the intro ends with Venger and Tiamat flying away, battling each other.

Not sure if it's the 1980 sequence though
#28
zombiegleemax
Jun 30, 2004 12:05:11 The original two openings were great, especially the first one. I read somewhere that originally there were words to go along with the music. Is this correct?
#29
zombiegleemax
Jun 30, 2004 12:12:46
Originally posted by Mortepierre
It's not something "new", that's for sure.

Up to now, all 14 episodes released so far have the same intro. Kids at a fair jump in a wagon, ride into the "D&D house", fall in a vortex, find themselves in the D&D world where Dungeonmaster give them each a magic item and the intro ends with Venger and Tiamat flying away, battling each other.

Not sure if it's the 1980 sequence though

(puts hands together just under chin, fingertips touching)

"Excellllent"

That sounds like the original first season intro, which is good. I'da hated it if somehow the FOX intro made it on to the DVD's.

I know the second season has a slightly different intro, but I never saw the third season episodes, so I can't comment on those.

Sounds good though, Thanks Mortepierre
#30
zombiegleemax
Jun 30, 2004 12:15:33 As you can tell by my signature my favorite episode was the Day of the Dungeon Master for the below quote followed by the Dragons Grave Yard.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Jun 26, 2004 23:25:48	Wondering what your thoughts were on this: Does the D&D cartoon have a touch of greyhawk, or is it quite 'stand alone'?
#2 mortellan Jun 27, 2004 0:39:01	Sad to say this was actually a topic at greychat thrusday. Yeah it had alot of GH stuff like bullywugs and such. What I think is more glaring is how Unearthed Arcana influenced the toon. Cavalier, Barbarian, Acrobat, etc.
#3 Mortepierre Jun 27, 2004 1:51:53	Eh, at least it allowed us to see Warduke in action once
#4 bluebomber4evr Jun 27, 2004 21:21:35	The world of the old D&D cartoon was NOT Greyhawk. For one, the cartoon world had FIVE suns. Second, the entire place was a prison of sorts as revealed in the script for the unproduced final episode, which you can find on Michael Reaves' homepage at http://www.mindspring.com/~michaelreaves/D&Dpreface.html While the cartoon had a lot of monsters that were in Greyhawk, they took the monsters straight from the Monster Manual, Monster Manual II, and Fiend Folio....none of which were specifically Greyhawk. Nor were there any Greyhawk-specific locations mentioned...ever...not even the City of Greyhawk itself. Instead, as its own world, it had its own myriad of bizarre locations.
#5 zombiegleemax Jun 28, 2004 8:33:58	Slightly off topic The cartoon episodes are being released in the UK on DVD (I think the first season is out, with the other two to follow by September, with a compete boxed set in September). However, they are all Region specific (European region) DVD's, so they won't play on your USA-bought DVD player. Given this, it would seem only a matter of time before they are released in the US region format. On thread, No, it was not related to Greyhawk in any way. Although I would be interested to hear if anyone has incorporated an Energy Bow or Club of Strength into their campaigns. Players have likely clamored for them ever since 1983.
#6 zombiegleemax Jun 28, 2004 10:15:49	I thought it was unique with elements of the Realm of Greyhawk. Great Cartoon!
#7 Brom_Blackforge Jun 28, 2004 13:27:56	Originally posted by Huron Although I would be interested to hear if anyone has incorporated an Energy Bow or Club of Strength into their campaigns. Players have likely clamored for them ever since 1983. The ranger in the campaign I'm running just asked for an energy bow at our last session, although I think he was at least partly kidding. I have no intention of giving him one, and I think he knows it. That's probably why he has started showing interest in the arcane archer prestige class - he probably figures that's as close as he'll be able to get.
#8 zombiegleemax Jun 28, 2004 13:35:55	Wouldnt it be great if the stats for Venger would be published? :D :D :D
#9 Mortepierre Jun 28, 2004 15:39:43	Originally posted by Huron Although I would be interested to hear if anyone has incorporated an Energy Bow or Club of Strength into their campaigns. Players have likely clamored for them ever since 1983. Eh, when 3E came out and I looked through the DMG, I was a bit surprised to discover the new "Brilliant Energy" weapons. At the time, I thought the author must have been a fan of the old cartoon :D
#10 Mortepierre Jun 28, 2004 15:46:25	Originally posted by Bluebomber4evr Second, the entire place was a prison of sorts as revealed in the script for the unproduced final episode, which you can find on Michael Reaves' homepage at http://www.mindspring.com/~michaelreaves/D&Dpreface.html Thanks for the link! I always wondered how the adventures of the kids ended up. Funny, there is a reference to the Sea of Sorrow. Maybe they were in Ravenloft all along :D
#11 Halberkill Jun 28, 2004 17:32:21	Originally posted by Bluebomber4evr Nor were there any Greyhawk-specific locations mentioned...ever...not even the City of Greyhawk itself. Instead, as its own world, it had its own myriad of bizarre locations. Actually there was one, when asked who won the world series, DM said it was the "Greyhawk Elves". Though strangely enough, in the reshowing of the cartoon on Cartoon Network, the line was changed to "greatwood elves" or something like that. I know this because I have a tape of the original and the new cartoon network one. Halber
#12 bluebomber4evr Jun 28, 2004 20:57:25	Originally posted by Halberkill Actually there was one, when asked who won the world series, DM said it was the "Greyhawk Elves". Though strangely enough, in the reshowing of the cartoon on Cartoon Network, the line was changed to "greatwood elves" or something like that. I know this because I have a tape of the original and the new cartoon network one. Halber Fox re-ran the episodes about four years ago, but it never aired on Cartoon Network. I taped a lot of the episodes that Fox re-ran, and the only change that I noticed was the new introductory sequence. Which episode is this?
#13 Mortepierre Jun 29, 2004 2:39:47	Originally posted by Huron The cartoon episodes are being released in the UK on DVD (I think the first season is out, with the other two to follow by September, with a compete boxed set in September). I've got the first two. They cover 7 episodes each. The second had a mention that 2 more DVDs would be released. That's 28 episodes total, hardly 3 seasons .. unless they are planning for more
#14 scoti_garbidis Jun 29, 2004 8:23:51	Originally posted by Bluebomber4evr Fox re-ran the episodes about four years ago, but it never aired on Cartoon Network. I taped a lot of the episodes that Fox re-ran, and the only change that I noticed was the new introductory sequence. Which episode is this? I thought the Cartoon Network did re-air or was it on Fox that they re-aired these just before the D&D movie came out? Just wonderin...
#15 zombiegleemax Jun 29, 2004 9:44:50	The new introduction used by Fox was just terrible. I wonder why they didnt use the originals. They were just so much better.
#16 Halberkill Jun 29, 2004 10:17:15	Originally posted by Bluebomber4evr Fox re-ran the episodes about four years ago, but it never aired on Cartoon Network. I taped a lot of the episodes that Fox re-ran, and the only change that I noticed was the new introductory sequence. Which episode is this? You are right, the ones I have are from Fox, with the crappy opening, though they were shown on Cartoon Network also, but I didn't record them, even though I watched them. As to the episode....I think it was the one that had Lolth in it...not sure though, I would have to re-view them be certain. It was at the beginning of the episode, and I think it was the first season. Halber
#17 Halberkill Jun 29, 2004 10:26:53	Originally posted by Mortepierre That's 28 episodes total, hardly 3 seasons .. unless they are planning for more The third season was never finished, and there were only 27 episodes total... http://www.zaksrealm.net/EpisodeGuide.html Halber
#18 zombiegleemax Jun 29, 2004 10:51:36	Originally posted by Halberkill You are right, the ones I have are from Fox, with the crappy opening, though they were shown on Cartoon Network also, but I didn't record them, even though I watched them. As to the episode....I think it was the one that had Lolth in it...not sure though, I would have to re-view them be certain. It was at the beginning of the episode, and I think it was the first season. Halber It was a first season episode in which dungeon master is captured by Warduke. And the question was directed at a "Know Tree" not DM. Also, as I recall, it was the Greywood elves, not the greatwood or Greyhawk elves. I have decent copies of some episodes of the original two seasons from their first (1980's) broadcast, including that one. Thus, I don't believe that there ever were any DIRECTLY RELATED references to Greyhawk in the cartoons.
#19 zombiegleemax Jun 29, 2004 12:26:14	Were the stats for any of the characters in the cartoon ever released in any product?
#20 zombiegleemax Jun 29, 2004 14:35:24	Well, there was Tiamat . . .:D
#21 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 8:22:56	Originally posted by Mortepierre I've got the first two. They cover 7 episodes each. . . . Do you happen to know if these DVD's have the original opening sequence (1980's sequence) or is it something different/new.
#22 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 9:47:53	Originally posted by adventureauthor *Well, there was Tiamat* . . .:D** True, but I was thinking more like Venger. There was a 1st edition module called the Search for the Heartstone or something like that that had Kelek, and Strongheart, etc, and a few months ago Dungeon or Dragon magazine 3.5ed Warduke.
#23 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 10:21:33	Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn True, but I was thinking more like Venger. There was a 1st edition module called the Search for the Heartstone or something like that that had Kelek, and Strongheart, etc, and a few months ago Dungeon or Dragon magazine 3.5ed Warduke. I think the module went along with the action figures of Strongheart and Warduke. (aka a tie-in marketing tool for the toy line)
#24 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 10:30:31	Yes Huron I think you are right and I think that the cartoon put these characters in the story for the same reason.
#25 kar-vermin Jun 30, 2004 10:47:55	Originally posted by Huron I think the module went along with the action figures of Strongheart and Warduke. (aka a tie-in marketing tool for the toy line) It did indeed, but it was actually a pretty decent module all the same. I ran it for my players shortly after it came out (placing the Home of the Heartstone in the Gnarly Hills, IIRC)
#26 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 11:02:03	It actually wasnt a bad module and the art was pretty neat, especially for the characters. Some of the names were corny though.
#27 Mortepierre Jun 30, 2004 11:59:34	Originally posted by Huron Do you happen to know if these DVD's have the original opening sequence (1980's sequence) or is it something different/new. It's not something "new", that's for sure. Up to now, all 14 episodes released so far have the same intro. Kids at a fair jump in a wagon, ride into the "D&D house", fall in a vortex, find themselves in the D&D world where Dungeonmaster give them each a magic item and the intro ends with Venger and Tiamat flying away, battling each other. Not sure if it's the 1980 sequence though
#28 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 12:05:11	The original two openings were great, especially the first one. I read somewhere that originally there were words to go along with the music. Is this correct?
#29 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 12:12:46	Originally posted by Mortepierre It's not something "new", that's for sure. Up to now, all 14 episodes released so far have the same intro. Kids at a fair jump in a wagon, ride into the "D&D house", fall in a vortex, find themselves in the D&D world where Dungeonmaster give them each a magic item and the intro ends with Venger and Tiamat flying away, battling each other. Not sure if it's the 1980 sequence though (puts hands together just under chin, fingertips touching) "Excellllent" That sounds like the original first season intro, which is good. I'da hated it if somehow the FOX intro made it on to the DVD's. I know the second season has a slightly different intro, but I never saw the third season episodes, so I can't comment on those. Sounds good though, Thanks Mortepierre
#30 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 12:15:33	As you can tell by my signature my favorite episode was the Day of the Dungeon Master for the below quote followed by the Dragons Grave Yard.