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#1
zombiegleemax
Jul 13, 2004 7:18:04 The DLCS is getting me angry now!!!!
I was just looking in the web enchatment map from wizards site and the DLCS map which suppose to be the same map...
when i suddenly saw that the cities are not in the same place.
the biggest change i saw was the city of Hillfal. in DLCS it is near a mountain and in the webenchantment it is on the mountain.

which of the maps is the correct one?
#2
cam_banks
Jul 13, 2004 7:53:32
Originally posted by stige
The DLCS is getting me angry now!!!!
I was just looking in the web enchatment map from wizards site and the DLCS map which suppose to be the same map...
when i suddenly saw that the cities are not in the same place.
the biggest change i saw was the city of Hillfal. in DLCS it is near a mountain and in the webenchantment it is on the mountain.

which of the maps is the correct one?

The map on the WOTC site is apparently a corrected version of the one in the DLCS. In places where the maps appear to differ, refer to the one on the website.

Cheers,
Cam
#3
zombiegleemax
Jul 13, 2004 8:29:34 Dang. They must have really chipped up the DLCS. The MAPS are incorrect ?

~~~
#4
jonesy
Jul 13, 2004 8:37:58
Originally posted by LordofIllusions
Dang. They must have really chipped up the DLCS. The MAPS are incorrect ?

More accurate would be to say that there are no maps in the DLCS.
#5
zombiegleemax
Jul 13, 2004 8:40:19
Originally posted by jonesy
More accurate would be to say that there are no maps in the DLCS.

There are PLENTY of maps in the DLCS there is just no FULL COLOR FOLD-OUT map. ;)

~~~
#6
zombiegleemax
Jul 13, 2004 9:20:30
Originally posted by stige
in DLCS it is near a mountain and in the webenchantment it is on the mountain.

Where can i get my hands on this web enchantment?
#7
jonesy
Jul 13, 2004 9:21:21
Originally posted by Apocalyp$e
Where can i get my hands on this web enchantment?

In my sig.
#8
iltharanos
Jul 13, 2004 9:22:23
Originally posted by Apocalyp$e
Where can i get my hands on this web enchantment?

Right here on Wizards' website:

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20031121a
#9
frostdawn
Jul 13, 2004 10:50:42 But it's a web enchantment . Wonder where to get that, and what it's effects are...
#10
frostdawn
Jul 13, 2004 10:50:46 But it's a web enchantment . Wonder where to get that, and what it's effects are... (aside from mispelling I guess)

;)
#11
zombiegleemax
Jul 13, 2004 14:46:33 DLCS Web Enchantment
Evocation
Level:Sor/Wiz 3
Components:V, S, M
Casting time: 1 standard action
Range: Touch
Targets: Desktops, Laptops
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: OS half
Spell Resistance: No

This spell corrects any and all mistakes made by those who have too much on their minds to make sure everything is perfect. This includes but is not limited to: map inconsistencies, stat block deficiencies, missing items and NPC charts, and nifty pictures.
If you use this spell in combat, you must quote at least one correct line from the DCLS, or suffer a -4 on your Concentration check.
Casting this spell can only be done under the understanding that everyone is fallible, and no one perfect.
Arcane Material Component: The DLCS, a dictionary, and a large pack of twinkies.
#12
iltharanos
Jul 13, 2004 18:03:33
Originally posted by Ashaman Nash

Arcane Material Component: The DLCS, a dictionary, and a large pack of twinkies.

Whoa! The DLCS and the dictionary are both material components as opposed to material focii? That means if I ever cast the spell it will annihilate both books! Hmm, actually that plays right into the hands of the Ha$bro corporate construct (99 HD Construct; Divine Rank 21). Okay, so the spell writeup is actually correct.
#13
true_blue
Jul 14, 2004 0:50:24 I printed out the web enhancement map and it works pretty well. Printed out all the sheets and put it together. My girlfriend works at a copy center here at school, so just had her laminate it. Works out really well. Thinkin about making a 2nd one..one to give to the players and one for myself. I also printed out each sheet seperately and keep them in my DM binder..so I can draw cities and places on it for reference.
#14
zombiegleemax
Oct 01, 2004 13:22:42 I downloaded the WotC map, printed it using a ton of ink, bought a poster board to mount it on, then looked at it closely....what is that large Lake of Death doing where Qualinost is?! I'm a War of the Lance era fan, don't know anything about the 5th Age, etc. I love the WotC map, but would like a War of the Lance version of it.

Has anyone taken the time to un-update this map? (removed places that didn't exist yet, put back in some then were destroyed, removed the annoying map borders, possibly removed any roads that didn't exist in the 4th Age).

If not, other then the apparent destruction of Qualinost, what else has changed since the War of the Lance on this map?
#15
talinthas
Oct 01, 2004 13:30:32 um, alot.
this map takes place 70 years and a few cataclysmic events after teh war of the lance. you may have wanted to check it before printing it....as the old adage goes, look before you leap.
#16
brimstone
Oct 01, 2004 13:43:29
If not, other then the apparent destruction of Qualinost, what else has changed since the War of the Lance on this map?

Oo...yeah, you'd better sit down for this one...

Qualinost collapsed during the War of Souls. The dwarves were building escape tunnels under the city for the elves to flee, and during their escape a battle ensued between the dark knights, dwarves, and elves against Berylinthranox, the Green Dragon Overlord. When she crashed into the city, the tunnels collapsed, and it caused a chain reaction that basically sank the whole city into a huge crater...in which the White-rage River quickly filled up.

The place is now called Nalis Aren, The Lake of Death.

You may notice that the forested area around Qualinesti is a bit larger than it used to be...that was due to Beryl's magic...she used it to transform her region into something that suited her better. As for other changes...well, you can probably see on the map that Southern Ergoth has become a frozen wasteland thanks to the magic of the white Overlord, Gellidus (Frost). Khellendros (Skie) the Blue Overlord didn't really do much...he did extend the Northern Wastes desert a bit...but not much. Onysablet (Sable) the Black Overlord expanded her territory into New Swamp (that swampy area between the Ogre kingdoms and Plains of Dust). But the biggest change would be the destruction of the Dairly Plains and Goodlund and Balifor by Malystryx (Malys) the Red Overlord. She turned that whole area into a desolate, mountainous, volcanic wasteland.

The only other major geographical change would be that the Maelstrom was finally quelled (although the sea remains blood red...even though the map doesn't show it like that).

Oh wait...one more thing...the Minotaurs have invaded (and displaced) Silvanesti and her elves.

There...that should bring you up to speed on all the funky stuff on the map (a very barren map, in my opinion).

You should check out the new WotL book. Although there is still no fold out map (apparently due to SPs cartographer having a heart attack and the poor chaps house being struck by lightning, therefore losing the map files)...it is certainly more suited to your tastes...and it is much more detailed...more locales (with explinations) than the DLCS map.
#17
zombiegleemax
Oct 01, 2004 14:07:29 Yes is 5 Age Map. But ist this the answer that so many citys are lost? When i look at the old map i can see more citys and the countrys with border. The new map is super, but in same points to empty.
#18
zombiegleemax
Oct 01, 2004 16:35:14 A lot of cities were deserted or destroyed outright by Chaos' creatures. In addition, quite a few more were emptied by the actions of the Dragon Overlords. Other than that, I dunno.
#19
brimstone
Oct 01, 2004 16:36:10
A lot of cities were deserted or destroyed outright by Chaos' creatures. In addition, quite a few more were emptied by the actions of the Dragon Overlords. Other than that, I dunno.

Mostly, I just think they were left off the DLCS map. It's not that they're gone...they just weren't pointed out.
#20
quentingeorge
Oct 01, 2004 16:58:57 Some cities shrunk in the 5th Age (eg Palanthas, Flotsam, Balifor), while some had a population increase (Solace, Gwynned)
#21
zombiegleemax
Oct 01, 2004 17:13:50 I cant say that i found many citys at the old map. But more as the new. And when Chaosunits destroy the city must we nor found ruins?

Solamnia and Ergoth have fewest lost citys. The other Countrys have more as 50% lost. Sorry i know at Krynn was many wars. I understand the conquer and terraform areas form overlord.But for the other countrys is this unbelievable. This is the end of economy for all countrys and never i listen that many displaced person trecks walk over ansalon.

I hope that the new Book to the war of Dragonlance has many detailed maps to the countrys and the province. I will found more citys, castles, outposts and villages at ever before.
#22
quentingeorge
Oct 01, 2004 17:22:29 Most of the "missing" cities are still there - they just aren't on the map.

The only place where they were "destroyed" is likely the Desolation or the New Swamp.
#23
zombiegleemax
Oct 01, 2004 17:38:40 At the one side is it good not found so many citys or villages at the map. The player and Master can they placed self for adventure. No body can say we cant play there, to many citys.

At the other side is not so good. the map look to empty. When you make brainstorming over some imortant points. You have not enough infos for discussion or threats.

But when this is a In Game Map. We understand that the cartographer not so good in this time or have so many infos. To complete the map. At best they buy a dragon and make a flyto complet the map.
#24
zombiegleemax
Oct 03, 2004 19:28:22
At the one side is it good not found so many citys or villages at the map. The player and Master can they placed self for adventure. No body can say we cant play there, to many citys.

The freedom DMs have to create new cities is the same liberty they have to replace cities already on the map or just say they don't exist in their campaign. A detailed map is always better.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Jul 13, 2004 7:18:04	The DLCS is getting me angry now!!!! I was just looking in the web enchatment map from wizards site and the DLCS map which suppose to be the same map... when i suddenly saw that the cities are not in the same place. the biggest change i saw was the city of Hillfal. in DLCS it is near a mountain and in the webenchantment it is on the mountain. which of the maps is the correct one?
#2 cam_banks Jul 13, 2004 7:53:32	Originally posted by stige The DLCS is getting me angry now!!!! I was just looking in the web enchatment map from wizards site and the DLCS map which suppose to be the same map... when i suddenly saw that the cities are not in the same place. the biggest change i saw was the city of Hillfal. in DLCS it is near a mountain and in the webenchantment it is on the mountain. which of the maps is the correct one? The map on the WOTC site is apparently a corrected version of the one in the DLCS. In places where the maps appear to differ, refer to the one on the website. Cheers, Cam
#3 zombiegleemax Jul 13, 2004 8:29:34	Dang. They must have really chipped up the DLCS. The MAPS are incorrect ? ~~~
#4 jonesy Jul 13, 2004 8:37:58	Originally posted by LordofIllusions *Dang. They must have really chipped up the DLCS. The MAPS are incorrect ?* More accurate would be to say that there are no maps in the DLCS.
#5 zombiegleemax Jul 13, 2004 8:40:19	Originally posted by jonesy More accurate would be to say that there are no maps in the DLCS. There are PLENTY of maps in the DLCS there is just no FULL COLOR FOLD-OUT map. ;) ~~~
#6 zombiegleemax Jul 13, 2004 9:20:30	Originally posted by stige in DLCS it is near a mountain and in the webenchantment it is on the mountain. Where can i get my hands on this web enchantment?
#7 jonesy Jul 13, 2004 9:21:21	Originally posted by Apocalyp$e Where can i get my hands on this web enchantment? In my sig.
#8 iltharanos Jul 13, 2004 9:22:23	Originally posted by Apocalyp$e Where can i get my hands on this web enchantment? Right here on Wizards' website: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20031121a
#9 frostdawn Jul 13, 2004 10:50:42	But it's a web enchantment . Wonder where to get that, and what it's effects are...
#10 frostdawn Jul 13, 2004 10:50:46	But it's a web enchantment . Wonder where to get that, and what it's effects are... (aside from mispelling I guess) ;)
#11 zombiegleemax Jul 13, 2004 14:46:33	DLCS Web Enchantment Evocation Level:Sor/Wiz 3 Components:V, S, M Casting time: 1 standard action Range: Touch Targets: Desktops, Laptops Duration: Instantaneous Saving Throw: OS half Spell Resistance: No This spell corrects any and all mistakes made by those who have too much on their minds to make sure everything is perfect. This includes but is not limited to: map inconsistencies, stat block deficiencies, missing items and NPC charts, and nifty pictures. If you use this spell in combat, you must quote at least one correct line from the DCLS, or suffer a -4 on your Concentration check. Casting this spell can only be done under the understanding that everyone is fallible, and no one perfect. Arcane Material Component: The DLCS, a dictionary, and a large pack of twinkies.
#12 iltharanos Jul 13, 2004 18:03:33	Originally posted by Ashaman Nash Arcane Material Component: The DLCS, a dictionary, and a large pack of twinkies. Whoa! The DLCS and the dictionary are both material components as opposed to material focii? That means if I ever cast the spell it will annihilate both books! Hmm, actually that plays right into the hands of the Ha$bro corporate construct (99 HD Construct; Divine Rank 21). Okay, so the spell writeup is actually correct.
#13 true_blue Jul 14, 2004 0:50:24	I printed out the web enhancement map and it works pretty well. Printed out all the sheets and put it together. My girlfriend works at a copy center here at school, so just had her laminate it. Works out really well. Thinkin about making a 2nd one..one to give to the players and one for myself. I also printed out each sheet seperately and keep them in my DM binder..so I can draw cities and places on it for reference.
#14 zombiegleemax Oct 01, 2004 13:22:42	I downloaded the WotC map, printed it using a ton of ink, bought a poster board to mount it on, then looked at it closely....what is that large Lake of Death doing where Qualinost is?! I'm a War of the Lance era fan, don't know anything about the 5th Age, etc. I love the WotC map, but would like a War of the Lance version of it. Has anyone taken the time to un-update this map? (removed places that didn't exist yet, put back in some then were destroyed, removed the annoying map borders, possibly removed any roads that didn't exist in the 4th Age). If not, other then the apparent destruction of Qualinost, what else has changed since the War of the Lance on this map?
#15 talinthas Oct 01, 2004 13:30:32	um, alot. this map takes place 70 years and a few cataclysmic events after teh war of the lance. you may have wanted to check it before printing it....as the old adage goes, look before you leap.
#16 brimstone Oct 01, 2004 13:43:29	If not, other then the apparent destruction of Qualinost, what else has changed since the War of the Lance on this map? Oo...yeah, you'd better sit down for this one... Qualinost collapsed during the War of Souls. The dwarves were building escape tunnels under the city for the elves to flee, and during their escape a battle ensued between the dark knights, dwarves, and elves against Berylinthranox, the Green Dragon Overlord. When she crashed into the city, the tunnels collapsed, and it caused a chain reaction that basically sank the whole city into a huge crater...in which the White-rage River quickly filled up. The place is now called Nalis Aren, The Lake of Death. You may notice that the forested area around Qualinesti is a bit larger than it used to be...that was due to Beryl's magic...she used it to transform her region into something that suited her better. As for other changes...well, you can probably see on the map that Southern Ergoth has become a frozen wasteland thanks to the magic of the white Overlord, Gellidus (Frost). Khellendros (Skie) the Blue Overlord didn't really do much...he did extend the Northern Wastes desert a bit...but not much. Onysablet (Sable) the Black Overlord expanded her territory into New Swamp (that swampy area between the Ogre kingdoms and Plains of Dust). But the biggest change would be the destruction of the Dairly Plains and Goodlund and Balifor by Malystryx (Malys) the Red Overlord. She turned that whole area into a desolate, mountainous, volcanic wasteland. The only other major geographical change would be that the Maelstrom was finally quelled (although the sea remains blood red...even though the map doesn't show it like that). Oh wait...one more thing...the Minotaurs have invaded (and displaced) Silvanesti and her elves. There...that should bring you up to speed on all the funky stuff on the map (a very barren map, in my opinion). You should check out the new WotL book. Although there is still no fold out map (apparently due to SPs cartographer having a heart attack and the poor chaps house being struck by lightning, therefore losing the map files)...it is certainly more suited to your tastes...and it is much more detailed...more locales (with explinations) than the DLCS map.
#17 zombiegleemax Oct 01, 2004 14:07:29	Yes is 5 Age Map. But ist this the answer that so many citys are lost? When i look at the old map i can see more citys and the countrys with border. The new map is super, but in same points to empty.
#18 zombiegleemax Oct 01, 2004 16:35:14	A lot of cities were deserted or destroyed outright by Chaos' creatures. In addition, quite a few more were emptied by the actions of the Dragon Overlords. Other than that, I dunno.
#19 brimstone Oct 01, 2004 16:36:10	A lot of cities were deserted or destroyed outright by Chaos' creatures. In addition, quite a few more were emptied by the actions of the Dragon Overlords. Other than that, I dunno. Mostly, I just think they were left off the DLCS map. It's not that they're gone...they just weren't pointed out.
#20 quentingeorge Oct 01, 2004 16:58:57	Some cities shrunk in the 5th Age (eg Palanthas, Flotsam, Balifor), while some had a population increase (Solace, Gwynned)
#21 zombiegleemax Oct 01, 2004 17:13:50	I cant say that i found many citys at the old map. But more as the new. And when Chaosunits destroy the city must we nor found ruins? Solamnia and Ergoth have fewest lost citys. The other Countrys have more as 50% lost. Sorry i know at Krynn was many wars. I understand the conquer and terraform areas form overlord.But for the other countrys is this unbelievable. This is the end of economy for all countrys and never i listen that many displaced person trecks walk over ansalon. I hope that the new Book to the war of Dragonlance has many detailed maps to the countrys and the province. I will found more citys, castles, outposts and villages at ever before.
#22 quentingeorge Oct 01, 2004 17:22:29	Most of the "missing" cities are still there - they just aren't on the map. The only place where they were "destroyed" is likely the Desolation or the New Swamp.
#23 zombiegleemax Oct 01, 2004 17:38:40	At the one side is it good not found so many citys or villages at the map. The player and Master can they placed self for adventure. No body can say we cant play there, to many citys. At the other side is not so good. the map look to empty. When you make brainstorming over some imortant points. You have not enough infos for discussion or threats. But when this is a In Game Map. We understand that the cartographer not so good in this time or have so many infos. To complete the map. At best they buy a dragon and make a flyto complet the map.
#24 zombiegleemax Oct 03, 2004 19:28:22	At the one side is it good not found so many citys or villages at the map. The player and Master can they placed self for adventure. No body can say we cant play there, to many citys. The freedom DMs have to create new cities is the same liberty they have to replace cities already on the map or just say they don't exist in their campaign. A detailed map is always better.