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Arcane Feats?

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#1
bengeldorn
Jul 19, 2004 14:32:08 Maybe someone has already came up with it, but I don't really want to use the search button for this, since I know that the wizard has discussed often and long, so maybe some could just give me a link or a quick answer.

Well, comming to the point:
Defiler and preserver are now one core class, the wizard.
Why is it that some feats have Defiler or Preserver as prerequisites?
Shouldn't it be defiling or preserving?

And what about giving Path Dexter, Path Sinister and Spell Mastery a [Arcane] descriptor and allow Wizzards to take Item Creation, Metamagic and Arcane feats as one of their bonus feats, since no other class gets a use from them?
Maybe other feats could be added to this.
#2
Pennarin
Jul 19, 2004 15:52:33
Taken from DS3
Preservers who defile must roll a Will Save DC 10 + spell level + amount of times previously defiled. Failing this save, they become defilers.

By the above rule a preserver who defiles intermittently is not a defiler. So to take advantage of the Raze feats (those with a Defiler prerequisite), that preserver must be past failing his save and be unable to stop defiling or to return to being a preserver, short of extreme measures.
#3
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Jul 19, 2004 18:06:39
Originally posted by Bengeldorn
Well, comming to the point:
Defiler and preserver are now one core class, the wizard.
Why is it that some feats have Defiler or Preserver as prerequisites?
Shouldn't it be defiling or preserving?

Well, there's a few notable reasons:

First: The defiler and preserver may be a single class, but I see them more as a single class just like all psions are a single class. However, there are some notable differences between a Psion(shaper) and a Psion(egoist). In a similar way, there are differences between a Wizard(defiler) and a Wizard(preserver).

Second: Currently, the system is open enough that those who wish to include a sorcerer into the mix, can. By defining preserver or defiler like it does, this means that by "defiler", for those who wish to have Sorcerers in their Dark Sun, can in effect have Sorcerer(defilers) and Wizard(defilers).

Third: as what Pennarin already mentioned. a preserver who occasionally defiles is not a defiler. And a defiler cannot preserve without help to redeem themselves.
#4
bengeldorn
Jul 20, 2004 3:51:25 That means a wizard is a Preserver unless he fails his Will save DC 10 + X and therefor he becomes a Defiler, right?
#5
elonarc
Jul 20, 2004 5:40:19 Or he decides to be a Defiler from the beginning.
#6
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Jul 20, 2004 10:30:01
Originally posted by Bengeldorn
That means a wizard is a Preserver unless he fails his Will save DC 10 + X and therefor he becomes a Defiler, right?

If he was a preserver to begin with. The other option is like Elonarc says.
#7
bengeldorn
Jul 21, 2004 16:32:07 I see....thanks!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 bengeldorn Jul 19, 2004 14:32:08	Maybe someone has already came up with it, but I don't really want to use the search button for this, since I know that the wizard has discussed often and long, so maybe some could just give me a link or a quick answer. Well, comming to the point: Defiler and preserver are now one core class, the wizard. Why is it that some feats have Defiler or Preserver as prerequisites? Shouldn't it be defiling or preserving? And what about giving Path Dexter, Path Sinister and Spell Mastery a [Arcane] descriptor and allow Wizzards to take Item Creation, Metamagic and Arcane feats as one of their bonus feats, since no other class gets a use from them? Maybe other feats could be added to this.
#2 Pennarin Jul 19, 2004 15:52:33	Taken from DS3 Preservers who defile must roll a Will Save DC 10 + spell level + amount of times previously defiled. Failing this save, they become defilers. By the above rule a preserver who defiles intermittently is not a defiler. So to take advantage of the Raze feats (those with a Defiler prerequisite), that preserver must be past failing his save and be unable to stop defiling or to return to being a preserver, short of extreme measures.
#3 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Jul 19, 2004 18:06:39	Originally posted by Bengeldorn Well, comming to the point: Defiler and preserver are now one core class, the wizard. Why is it that some feats have Defiler or Preserver as prerequisites? Shouldn't it be defiling or preserving? Well, there's a few notable reasons: First: The defiler and preserver may be a single class, but I see them more as a single class just like all psions are a single class. However, there are some notable differences between a Psion(shaper) and a Psion(egoist). In a similar way, there are differences between a Wizard(defiler) and a Wizard(preserver). Second: Currently, the system is open enough that those who wish to include a sorcerer into the mix, can. By defining preserver or defiler like it does, this means that by "defiler", for those who wish to have Sorcerers in their Dark Sun, can in effect have Sorcerer(defilers) and Wizard(defilers). Third: as what Pennarin already mentioned. a preserver who occasionally defiles is not a defiler. And a defiler cannot preserve without help to redeem themselves.
#4 bengeldorn Jul 20, 2004 3:51:25	That means a wizard is a Preserver unless he fails his Will save DC 10 + X and therefor he becomes a Defiler, right?
#5 elonarc Jul 20, 2004 5:40:19	Or he decides to be a Defiler from the beginning.
#6 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Jul 20, 2004 10:30:01	Originally posted by Bengeldorn That means a wizard is a Preserver unless he fails his Will save DC 10 + X and therefor he becomes a Defiler, right? If he was a preserver to begin with. The other option is like Elonarc says.
#7 bengeldorn Jul 21, 2004 16:32:07	I see....thanks!