Calendars, calendars, calendars.

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#1

brimstone

Jul 23, 2004 10:39:11
Well...for those of you who were waiting...I'm finally done, and they're up on the Nexus.

There are eight different 3 year calendars (to cover the whole lunar/planetary cycle). Each one coinsides with a different culture as presented in the DLCS. They also include the moon phases and apexes in a recognizeable format.

There are also rules on how to determine which of the three calendars to use depending on what year you need it for. The math itself is simple, but I'm now fairly sure I could never write a mathmatics textbook. heh heh So hopefully it will be understandable.

I also list every holiday I could find from different sources. There are a ton. They are marked in the calendars themselves and I listed them with explinations on what they are.

I list all my assumptions on why I chose which calendar for which year as well. I made my decisions based on information from novels (Brothers Majere, Soulforge, and Dragons of a Vanished Moon). I list them out. Hopefully they are logical and make sense to everyone.

This is not an official product, aside from it not being affiliated with WotC or SP, it also is not 100% canon. I made two changes. 1) I changed the elven name of July from "Summer Run" to "Summer Flame." I've never understood why it was Summer Run when the name of the fourth Chronicles uses "Summer Flame" (since the other three books are names of elven months in autumn, winter, and spring). 2) I left of the holiday "Mark Day" (I think that was what it was called)...basically because I thought it was dumb. Mark Day was a day that is between the last day of the year and the first day of the next year. It was considered to be a day out of Space and Time...when all heavenly body momvement stops (essentially Time is frozen). Now, the Egyptians used to do this...but that was because their calendar only had 360 days in it but they were well aware that there were 365 days in a year. So they had 5 days of celebration between years. But I thought that just over complicated everything...and being the analytical (note first part of word) and scientific person that I am, I didn't want to include a holiday that had a minor reference in only one product.

Hope you all enjoy! Click here.
#2

zombiegleemax

Jul 23, 2004 11:17:48
looking great!
thanks for the hard work...
#3

zombiegleemax

Jul 23, 2004 13:15:03
I´ve only just downloaded them and so I haven´t had a chance to study them in detail yet...but my initial impression is WOW! It seems you put a lot of work into these calendars! And I´m absolutely certain they´ll be useful to me and a lot of other DMs so thanks for the effort Brim!

Ravenmantle
#4

brimstone

Jul 23, 2004 16:44:03
That's good to hear.

It came close many time to just never being completed. It's not that it was necessarily hard...but it was extemely tedious and took a lont time. So when ever I realized I screwed up and it meant massive rework...I'd get down trodden and leave it for a few months (hence the reason it took 9 months or so to do).

Twice I had to start over from scratch (because of misplacing the hinge date, Festival of the Eye, twice). And once I had to change all the moon apexes because I forgot that the damn things are different for the southern hemisphere. heh heh

So all three of those times almost made me give up. I'm glad I didn't though. Hopefully it will be handy...I know I'll use it.
#5

zombiegleemax

Jul 23, 2004 17:03:07
I know I will too! And it understandable that it´s taken so long. There are a lot of different factors one must take into account. And those moons...I´m sure they were created simply to make life hard for us Dragonlancians! ;) I must admit that I wouldn´t have the patience to make these calendars...I´d probably have to buy a keyboard five times or so because I´d go into a helpless rage!

On a related note (related to calendars! not helpless rage...) does anyone know how the dracos (and with dracos I mean the draco nation Teyr) track time? do they use any of the established calendars? Do they have their own? I don´t think there´s any material on this subject (gamewise or novelwise). Just wanted to hear you guys´ suggestions.

Ravenmantle
#6

brimstone

Jul 23, 2004 17:39:46
I'm really not sure. That's something I've had a hard time deciding...what cultures use which calendars. We don't have an Abanasinian calendar...but they were once part of Solamnia (before the Cataclysm) so I figured that'd be what they use. People on the Plains of Dust...the same (like Tarsis). I'm sure the Icefolk have their own that we haven't seen. The gnomes...who knows, I'm not sure I even want to go there.

But then it gets kinda cloudy...maybe the Estwildians and Nordmaarians use the Solamnic calendar (due to proximity). But what about the Nerekans or the Khurs or the Minotaurs? It almost seems like there should be an Istarian calendar that would probably have been (and perhaps still) used by those cultures.

And what about the Ogres? Surely they have one. For now, I figured the goblins had to have gotten theirs from somewhere...why not the Ogres? But what about an ancient Ogre calendar (one still used by the Irda?) It would be nice to see an official map layout of who uses what calendars (and perhaps another two or three to choose from).
#7

zombiegleemax

Jul 23, 2004 17:57:28
Hehe oh my god the Tinker fellows! A man could go insane trying to figure out their system!

As for Neraka and the surrounding nations. Well you´re probably right about Istar. That sounds reasonable enough. Istar was a major player in continental Ansalon and it´s bound to have left something behind (such as a calendar). Considering that the dracos grew up in Neraka it seems likely they´d adopt that calendar (assuming that Neraka uses the old Istarian calendar).

The only thing I think I might disagree with is the plainsmen´s calendar...personally I´d say that they´re more concerned about the seasons in a year than the names of individual days, weeks and months. That´s one of the few things in the DLCS I disagreed with...but that´s just how I see the plainsmen/ice folk etc etc.

Ravenmantle
#8

Matthew_L._Martin

Jul 23, 2004 20:15:22
Originally posted by Brimstone
I changed the elven name of July from "Summer Run" to "Summer Flame." I've never understood why it was Summer Run when the name of the fourth Chronicles uses "Summer Flame" (since the other three books are names of elven months in autumn, winter, and spring).

I think it's because the original elven calendar came after the first three Chronicles, but before DoSF. However, the Fifth Age version of that calendar does use "Summer Flame" for July, so you're actually correct by one account. :-)

Matthew L. Martin
#9

shugi

Jul 23, 2004 20:34:16
Excellent work, Brim! I had used Excel for some quick-n-dirty calendars, but these look much better than my half-hearted attempt.

Kudos!
#10

daedavias_dup

Jul 23, 2004 23:58:17
I had completely forgotten that you were working on this, Brim. It's good to see how well it has worked out. This version is far ahead of the preliminary version you showed everyone months ago (I think I still have it on my computer). This is an invaluable resource for both DM and player alike. Plus, it's just freaking cool to have in the first place.

Good work!
#11

katt_nightstalker_02

Jul 26, 2004 11:54:53
OK . . .
according to dragonlance.com, today is the 26 of summer flame, but wich of the year templates should one use for this year.

I ask because i want to keep track on a kender calender in my room.
#12

brimstone

Jul 26, 2004 12:35:39
"Summer Flame" is the Elven name for July (well...Seventhmonth at anyrate). So, it's located in the Elven calendar.

It used to referred to as "Summer Run"...then SAGA changed it to "Summer Flame" (to match up with Dragons of Summer Flame because all the previous Chronicles titles used Elven month names)...and the DLCS changed it back to "Summer Run"...but I prefer "Summer Flame" so that's the one I used in my calendars. (which also have only 28 days in a month...to match the new 3rd Edition Dragonlance date system).
#13

brimstone

Jul 26, 2004 12:39:55
Originally posted by Matthew L. Martin
However, the Fifth Age version of that calendar does use "Summer Flame" for July, so you're actually correct by one account.

Thanks! I thought there was at least one that used it.
Originally posted by Daedavias
This version is far ahead of the preliminary version you showed everyone months ago

Yeah, it has gone through a lot of changes since that preliminary one that I sent out. Hopefully this will be readable in black and white as well.

Thanks for all the praise, everyone!
#14

brimstone

Jul 26, 2004 12:48:02
Originally posted by Brimstone
"Summer Flame" is the Elven name for July (well...Seventhmonth at anyrate). So, it's located in the Elven calendar.

Katt...just ignore this. I completely mis-understood what you were asking.

It works out rather well that the "1 AC pattern" is also the pattern needed for 422 AC.

Is that the question you were asking?
#15

katt_nightstalker_02

Jul 26, 2004 13:03:04
Originally posted by Brimstone
Katt...just ignore this. I completely mis-understood what you were asking.

It works out rather well that the "1 AC pattern" is also the pattern needed for 422 AC.

Is that the question you were asking?

i think so
#16

katt_nightstalker_02

Jul 26, 2004 13:03:04
i really hate double posts
#17

brimstone

Jul 26, 2004 13:11:33
Originally posted by Katt Nightstalker
i really hate double posts

Heh...yeah, I get them sometimes too...I'm just not patient enough to see if it actually went through sometimes.

So, hopefully that's what you were looking for. The current year, 422 AC (or 39 SC) uses the first of the three years on the calendar. I thought about calling them 422, 423, and 424...but in the interest of simplifying the mathmatics in the intro (and by sheer luck that they fell this way) I changed them to 1, 2, and 3 respectively. Luckily it all worked out...almost like it was fated.