I think someone said it will be availble in the end the month.
Originally posted by stige
Nope.
I think someone said it will be availble in the end the month.
According to the latest news, it will be out in early September.
Ravenmantle
The most recent I´ve heard is that there will a pre-release at (Gen-Con?) and the official release will be shortly thereafter.
Ravenmantle
My kid bro were browsing this online computer game retailer, when he stumbled across Age of Empires 3. OF course he was all ecstatic, seeing as how he loved that game! Then he went to the publisher of that computer game, and it turns out there is no such thing as Age of Empires 3...my point is simple guys...don´t get too excited before we hear from SP...
Ravenmantle
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
According to my sources, the book is now avaliable on special order.
Considering the books have not hit our own warehouse, I would truly love to know where your sources are getting them!
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Not to rant or anything, but I think Sovereign Press should just add around 2 months extra onto the release date. Then, if somehow it got done on time it'd be early and if not then no pushbacks or anything. I've been extremely happy with all the products, I even like the glossy paper amazingly. Does add a nice touch. Just sucks most products are released a little later than expected. I realize there can be problems but its pretty much every product. I guess I just get frustrated when a product lists a certain month and then it comes out about 2 months later. I get too excited heh.
Ravenmantle
I've long ago gone into the difficulties of scheduling when it comes to licensed products and a small company like Soveriegn Press. We will always put quality as a priority over timeliness, but are working to improve on both. Still when we hit September we will have been publishing Dragonlance games for one year:
* Age of Mortals
* Dragonlance Dungeon Master's Screen
* Bestiary of Krynn
* Key of Destiny
* Towers of High Sorcery
* War of the Lance (GenCon pre-release)
More is on the way, with the Dragonlance Adventure Game and Spectre of Sorrows out before year's end--and an exciting line-up for 2005!
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
The upcoming product schedule has been updated, both with the info Jamie has provided, and with the Q1 2005 catalog info that Matt Martin emailed to me the other night.
Originally posted by Koranith
I sent my young squire on a quest to Origins to retrieve me a copy of this highly anticipated book, but alas he was told that the copy they had was for viewing only and would be ready for release and sale at Gen Con. Poor man I had to take his life a payment.
Alas I'm sure he will be well remembered *gives knight salute with my staff*
GCS
By the way, their computers stated it was supposed to be released in January of 2004.
Originally posted by silvanthalas
Just a quick note:
The upcoming product schedule has been updated, both with the info Jamie has provided, and with the Q1 2005 catalog info that Matt Martin emailed to me the other night.
How would one get hold of this Q1 2005 Catalogue?
Ravenmantle
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Originally posted by Green_Cloaked_Sorcerer
I hope you kept a lock of his hair or some body part if your going to ressurect him, poor kid....
Of course, his body is still in the iron maiden.
Originally posted by cnposner
How would one get hold of this Q1 2005 Catalogue?
It's been awhile since he's told me, so I'm guessing he's got a good contact with a game store in the area.
Everything that I've added to my site, in terms of DL novels, has been added to the WotC website for the 2005 product list, only the links (last I checked) don't work yet for the individual products.
Originally posted by silvanthalas
It's been awhile since he's told me, so I'm guessing he's got a good contact with a game store in the area.
Most game stores that carry WotC products will get a catalog every trimester. However, to get the news the earliest, your best bet is to camp out on EN World; people usually post information there in early April, early August, and early December. Novel information's harder to come by than game information--the latter's of more interest to the EN Worlders--but it usually gets posted. Checking titles revealed in that way on Amazon can provide further information--it's how I found out that "Blades of the Tiger" was Vol. 1 of the Taladas Chronicles, and clocks in at 384 pages.
Matthew L. Martin
PLEASE!Towers of HS = 1st week of Sept
War of the Lance = 1st week of Oct
Originally posted by wolffenjugend
Latest update...
Towers of HS = 1st week of Sept
War of the Lance = 1st week of Oct
Where did you get that information from?
Originally posted by wolffenjugend
Cam Banks (sp?) on EN World.
That's when Jamie expressed that he hoped to see the books hit the stores, not a confirmed street date. That information will be forthcoming when SP get the word from the printers - until then it's just a speculative forecast.
Cheers,
Cam
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
Jamie, how soon is soon?
Towers will be in stores September 1st. War of the Lance will be in stores October 1st.
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Originally posted by jechambers
War of the Lance ships from the printer soon, advance copies being rushed by air for the GenCon premiere, while the rest travel the seas!
It is now definitely at the printer, then?
Originally posted by cnposner
It is now definitely at the printer, then?
Very absolutely positively and unequivocally most certainly yes.
Cheers,
Cam
since Towers of High Sorcery is supposed to be released this week, i just went over to Amszon to order it. They have it listed out of stock, no ability to preorder it or anything. I've been saving Amazon gift certificates for this book, so I wouold like to get it from there. Any idea on when they will have it for sale?
Amazon is really untrustworthy when it comes to RPG sales. Most of the time their info. on a product is sorely out of date or so far out of sync with what the company has stated that they may as well just be ******* in the dark. I would either order directly from Margaret Weis' website or just wait a day or three until it hits your local bookstores and then buy it from there (I talked to one of my FLGS and they said they'd have it by this thursday or friday).
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Where did you get that information from?
That and it's only been posted on just about every other thread on this board for the last month.
That and it's only been posted on just about every other thread on this board for the last month.
And his post has existed on this board for almost a month as well. Remember, the upgrade messed with the threads. Just thought I'd let you know, that way you don't look like a jerk.
And his post has existed on this board for almost a month as well. Remember, the upgrade messed with the threads. Just thought I'd let you know, that way you don't look like a jerk.
Thanks. *inserting foot into mouth*
How does Dalamar meet the 3-feat requirment at 4th level? He should only have two at this point, correct?
I'm guessing Dalamar has levels in Wizard in ToHS, in which case he gets scribe scroll as a bonus feat for a total of three feats at 4th level.
p.s. Asking the same question over and over again isn't going to get it released any sooner
p.s. Asking the same question over and over again isn't going to get it released any sooner
Normally...I'd agree. But today was the official street date...so I don't see any reason why one can't ask if anyone has seen it today.
Towers will be in stores September 1st. War of the Lance will be in stores October 1st.
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
I'll have to keep a watch for it in our weekly shipment this week and next. I work at Waldenbook/Borders so I'll be in a position to comfirm its on the shelves.
My local gaming store should have it in stock on Friday. I thought that most books and magazines were released on Tuesday, Why was this one released on a Wednsday?
There isn't really an industry standard when it comes to this kind of thing. It depends a lot on distributor channels and which part of the country or the world that you're in. In my experience, most game stores get whatever product is going to be released that week at the end of the week, regardless of the actual release date. Chain bookstores like Borders, Hastings and Barnes & Noble often get the books of bigger companies in the day they're released (having been sent the copies in advance), or the following week if they're smaller companies.
The release date is the date that serves as the official point of release, but there are many cases such as those mentioned above where it's not on shelves until later.
Cheers,
Cam
I love the Griffon Wizard PRC and the Winternorn. Bit disappointed in the Sea Mage, thought it dealt with Sea Elves for some reason.
The sea mage represents characters like Dunbar Mastermate.
The though occured to me while i was sitting around brooding and attempting to figure out the next cunning way i was going to goad Amaron Blackthorn and Lord of Illusion into our next disagreement(just kidding of course :D) It hit me, why don't i check the junk mail folder?
So as I open the folder and waited the ten minutes it takes to open a page with my 26.4 dial up connection I was egar to see what would pop up. As the page slowly appeared every single password thing from Wizards was in there as was the email from the Administrator Melanie, telling me to check my junk mail.
Needless to say I did this several times against my computer screen. In any case I'm back and ready to blow some SH!T up! 
So all I can say is its nice to be back.Ah, Behold the power of GCS
The only thing I can say that is wrong with it is the stats on Fistandantilus and Magius. I think Fist should be 3 levels higher than he is shown to be and Magius should be one or two higher but thats just my opinion.
At what time period in Magius' life are his stats? Do they include his being a renegade white and red robe as well?
You're going to love this.
Magius' stats are right around the height of his power. He is a wizard 7/WoHS 2/War Mage 5.
The wizard levels going up to 7th levels help to represent his status as a renegade. Magius was one of the most infamous war mages ever, so that's why he has the war mage levels.
And now for the cool part.
Notice that there's only 2 levels of WoHS. As the mage of all robes and none, Magius would have had a very messy character sheets with the changing order secrets. But with only 2 levels of WoHS, order secrets don't come into account.
I'm extremely happy with the way Magius turned out.
*stretches* well after a long time of figureing out why in the heck the wizards site wasn't sending me a update on how to get my blasted password fixed as I couldn't remember my own. On top of that several days of cursing and ponder, and much cursing at Wizards people for not making a working site (not directly at them mind you). Plus a couple of emails to Wizards questioning thier motives as to why they were keeping me off the boards, I'm finally back!
The though occured to me while i was sitting around brooding and attempting to figure out the next cunning way i was going to goad Amaron Blackthorn and Lord of Illusion into our next disagreement(just kidding of course :D) It hit me, why don't i check the junk mail folder?
So as I open the folder and waited the ten minutes it takes to open a page with my 26.4 dial up connection I was egar to see what would pop up. As the page slowly appeared every single password thing from Wizards was in there as was the email from the Administrator Melanie, telling me to check my junk mail.
Ah, Behold the power of GCS
I was wondering what happended to you. You just disappeared after getting back from GenCon, so I figured you had you nose in most excellent, very detailed, and uncomparable ToHS and WotL. You know the ones Amaron doesn't have yet. :D (sorry Amaron I just couldn't resist it, you know we love ya)
That class just really bothers me, even more than the Rose Knight prestige class, which I also think is a little too much. It gets Arcane Aegis, Battle Magic, Armored Spellcasting, and TWO metamagic feats(while the wizard gets one metamagic in 5 levels), all while getting a +1 Caster Level. I automatically get rid of the metamgic feats, and would like to make it where you get two out of the three main abilities, all while still getting a +1 caster level. The only thing that even remotely is negative about it is the feat requirements, but even those arent bad at all really. I just really don't like this class and like I said before was hoping no NPC's would use it, but I see why they did when designing the ones that do.
I was wondering what happended to you. You just disappeared after getting back from GenCon, so I figured you had you nose in most excellent, very detailed, and uncomparable ToHS and WotL. You know the ones Amaron doesn't have yet. :D (sorry Amaron I just couldn't resist it, you know we love ya)
Well there was that too of course!
GCS
Battle Magic is now usable 3+Con Mod times per day, and it's added damage is not affected by metamagic feats (Empower specifically).
-TRRW
Anyway, did the War Mage get an update in the Towers book? I can hardly wait until this afternoon to get my copy if the local shop that I frequent receives it. Dragonlance was not a big thing in the shop until I came around and DMed a game from October to January and it got so many people hooked that some of the newbies went out and bought DLCS and some of the novels. Some are even going to purchase Towers when it comes out. Ah, the things one will do when one falls in love with greatness.
On another note, are those of you who did not attend GenCon going to be purchasing Towers of High Sorcery today?
I ordered mine at my FLGS, so i'll be getting the book anytime from today to next thursday. I'm hoping for today, so I'll have something nice to read for the Labor Day weekend ... but I've waited months for this book, another few days shouldn't kill me. :D
BUT I WANT IT NOW!
Tell me about it! I'm trying to distract myself by watching the old Conan movies ...
In the other, new spells, great information, great art.
Which one wins?
Lets weigh this out. Arnold running around in fuzzy underwear in one hand. Who is the girly man now Ahhnold?
In the other, new spells, great information, great art.
Which one wins?
Four words:
Graphic Violence
Gratuitous Nudity
The four words that will always distract me from Dragonlance. Hehe.
Four words:
Graphic Violence
Gratuitous Nudity
The four words that will always distract me from Dragonlance. Hehe.
You is just baaad! So bad!
Et tu Koranith?
Anyway, did the War Mage get an update in the Towers book?
Yes, there is an update of the War Mage.
The frostmage PrC in the Towers Book stats that Feel-Thaas was one. Is this taken into account in his stats in the War of the Lance book?
If you mean the Winternorn PrC, then yes he has multiple levels in it.
Spoiler Space
You were warned
I was just wondering, does the description of the Tower of Istar in the rulebook correspond with the description in Amber & Ashes?
I was just wondering, does the description of the Tower of Istar in the rulebook correspond with the description in Amber & Ashes?
No, it doesn't, because it's been rebuilt. It's similar, but there are differences which are explained in the book.
Cheers,
Cam
Granted I haven't looked through the entirety of my shiny new copy of Towers of High Sorcery, but I was surprised to find that no new feats were introduced in the book. We get all the stock items expected of a Wizardly accessory (new prestige classes, new spells, new magic items, new monsters), but no new feats. It's still an excellent book. The whole feat thing just seemed like a weird oversight.
I found that quite surprising as well. I also figured that there would be quite a few more spells. Oh well, the book is still undeniably my favorite accessory by far. Well, not by far, since the Bestiary was spectacular. But, seeing as I have always preferred wizard characters, it just seems right that I like a wizards accessory more.
That IS strange... I just got my copy last night... It looks sweet! The quality in their products has markedly improved. I didn't notice the lack of feats until you mentioned them, i must admit... not enough room maybe? Usually other books milk feats as much as they can.
There just wasn't a need for it for that book. It has a handful of prestige classes to expand the options for wizards, and a handful of monsters, but it's mainly a reference and resource book, so that's where the bulk of the writing went.
Cheers,
Cam
I've glimpsed at the book. Material wise the book looks great. However, I'm not a fan of some of the computer generated artwork I saw. Call me a sucker for old fashion paint and pen ink works for mediums. :P
Very little of the artwork we see now in RPG books isn't CG. In fact, most if not all coloring is CG, and a lot of the time the entire piece is assembled in layers using paint programs and PhotoShop. Sometimes you can't tell the difference, and sometimes you can.
Cheers,
Cam
Very little of the artwork we see now in RPG books isn't CG. In fact, most if not all coloring is CG, and a lot of the time the entire piece is assembled in layers using paint programs and PhotoShop. Sometimes you can't tell the difference, and sometimes you can.
Cheers,
Cam
The ones that you can't I'll give praise to. The others that you can should be worked on a little more. I like the classic looking work better :D
GCS
Wayreth and Losarcum look awesome though!
I weep for lost Losarcum though. That is a cool looking tower. Say what you want about the Black Robes, but they have excellent taste.
Is that Dalamar at 5th or 6th level suppsoed to be him when he became Raistlin's apprentice or before?
1) Is Fistandantilus fully statted out in the book?
2) If he is, does he have the Epic Spellcasting feat?
3) What type or subtype does the Eldritch Emissary have?
4) Does the Master of the Tower/Conclave template confer some spell-like abilities on the holder of the title?
*Sigh* The local bookstore has no copies of ToHS on-hand. Oh, the agony of waiting!
Question for those with the book:
1) Is Fistandantilus fully statted out in the book?
2) If he is, does he have the Epic Spellcasting feat?
3) What type or subtype does the Eldritch Emissary have?
4) Does the Master of the Tower/Conclave template confer some spell-like abilities on the holder of the title?
*Sigh* The local bookstore has no copies of ToHS on-hand. Oh, the agony of waiting!
1. Yes.
2. No.
3. Since it's a template, it changes the base creature's type to construct, and gains the augmented subtype as appropriate, and may gain a number of elemental or alignment subtypes based on the base location.
4. No, it confers other benefits.
*clutches his copy close*
Question for those with the book:
1) Is Fistandantilus fully statted out in the book?
Yes!
2) If he is, does he have the Epic Spellcasting feat?
No, but he's a 5th level archmage on top of having 10 levels in Black Robe, so he's not too shabby. No spell seeds for him, though.
3) What type or subtype does the Eldritch Emissary have?
Eldritch emissaries and eldritch haunts are constructs.
4) Does the Master of the Tower/Conclave template confer some spell-like abilities on the holder of the title?
Master of the Tower is a template that confers abilities to the individual who has it, centred mainly around the nature of the Tower itself, the building, etc etc.
Cheers,
Cam
I think that they could have come out with a few more PrCs though. It would have been nice to see a Conclave member PrC.
Im a little confused Amaron, I thought that we already saw this in the DLCS...Isnt a WoHS a Conclave Member? If so that would be a bit redundant...unless you mean a member of the governing body of the Conclave, in which case a PrC isnt necessary, you dont need uber powers to govern, just an intellect and charisma.
in which case a PrC isnt necessary, you dont need uber powers to govern, just an intellect and charisma.
Well said! It's time to stop this current trend of creating PrC for everything and everyone. You would think you need a PrC just to breathe these days, sheesh!
Im a little confused Amaron, I thought that we already saw this in the DLCS...Isnt a WoHS a Conclave Member? If so that would be a bit redundant...unless you mean a member of the governing body of the Conclave, in which case a PrC isnt necessary, you dont need uber powers to govern, just an intellect and charisma.
Right. And high level Conclave members are more likely to take the archmage prestige class, anyway, which represents any number of things.
Cheers,
Cam
p. 26 of ToHS states "A Wizard of High Sorcery who gains a level in any other class other than a class that prepares arcane spells may never again raise his Wizard of High Sorcery level." Does this apply to prestige classes such as the Spell Broker, who are not required to prepare their spells; or to classes such as the Spellfilch, who may gain levels in either arcane or divine spellcasting?
I would think that so long as what you choose (for the Spell Broker or the Spellfilch) was a +1 level to your wizard spell casting ability (and not sorcerer, mystic, or cleric) you're okay.
I would think that so long as what you choose (for the Spell Broker or the Spellfilch) was a +1 level to your wizard spell casting ability (and not sorcerer, mystic, or cleric) you're okay.
Exactly so. This also includes classes like the loremaster from the DMG, and any other class that adds to spells per day in that manner.
Cheers,
Cam
I would think that so long as what you choose (for the Spell Broker or the Spellfilch) was a +1 level to your wizard spell casting ability (and not sorcerer, mystic, or cleric) you're okay.
Would that need to be +1 per previous spellcasting level per each level or could it be +1 every other level perhaps? The dwarves wizard in my group has a few ideas about branching his charater out into some of those PrCs.
Would that need to be +1 per previous spellcasting level per each level or could it be +1 every other level perhaps? The dwarves wizard in my group has a few ideas about branching his charater out into some of those PrCs.
Whether it's every other level, every third level, or every level, it doesn't matter. Any prestige class which allows for an increase in arcane spellcaster level at some point in the progression is fine.
The restriction is there to stop wizards from taking a break midway through their advancement as wizards of High Sorcery and picking up ranger or fighter or rogue, before carrying on with their commitment to the Orders. You should take any levels in those classes that you can before you enter the WoHS prestige class, or wait until you're done with it. Not all wizards of High Sorcery continue advancing until they've maxed out the class at 10 levels.
As a sidenote, the reason why there are only 5 Order Secrets included in the WoHS prestige class for each Order is so that when you do reach 10th level in that class, you have learned all of the secrets the Orders can teach you, and are a true master of the robes. Anything you learn later (metamagic, abilities from prestige classes like the archmage, etc) is assumed to be self-discovery or the like. If there were more than 5 secrets, nobody would ever know them all, which isn't the intent.
Cheers,
Cam
Is there any chance that more order secrets will be added later?
You completely missed the point of that post, didn't you?
Cheers,
Cam
I ordered my copy in the UK 5 weeks ago, the money came out of my account at the beginning of Septermber, but so far no book. I have emailed their customer sales twice but with no response.
Has anyone else had this problem?
The Kender
Of that I am not sure. I do know that as of last week, the War of the Lance book was not yet available on the margaretweis.com website. How annoying is that?
I must learn to keep my mouth shut before complaining
Regards,
The Little Kender
Well, according to ToHS supplement it is able to appear as far north as the Draken Wood and appear as far south as the Plain of Dergoth. Algoni Shore in the west to the Forsaken mountain to the east. So it can cover much of the south-western portion of the continent I would assume.
According to Dragonlance Adventures (1987), it could move 500 miles from its original position.
Note that using the 500 mile one will give it coverage of almost all of the map except for some of the most northern, north-west, and western most points.
According to Dragonlance Adventures (1987), it could move 500 miles from its original position.
Yeah...it seems that it kept the geographical distance of SAGA that it could move...but when 3e shrank Ansalon back down to it's original size, the Tower's movement radius shrank as well (so that it is now more like a 170 mile radius instead of a 500 mile radius). Was this on purpose, or an accident, I don't know. Ask the big dogs.