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#1 psionicpally_dup Aug 02, 2004 21:40:25	A new player of mine brought me the idea of being a quasi-elemental genasis. I was wondering if there has been any information on these guys (if they even exist at all)? Stats wouldn't be bad, but I'd love if anybody had some fluff material.
#2 zombiegleemax Aug 02, 2004 22:25:15	Only heard of Genasi of the 4 prime elements. note to self: I would hate to know how an Ooze Genasi came to be through the coupling of a human and an Ooze creature...
#3 herecgunina Aug 03, 2004 0:55:23	Don't remember the website now, but google "genasi" and you'll come up with a website with 3e stats for fourteen types of genasi. 4 Paraelemental, 8 Quasielemental, and the two energy planes!
#4 ohtar_turinson Aug 03, 2004 7:25:19	I'm pretty sure that Mimir.net has a link to a bunch of Genasi for the energy planes and all the para- and quasi-elemental planes. You can find links from articles in the explorer Mimir I believe. I haven't tried using them, but most of them looked pretty good. (and most of them are updated to 3.5 I think) And I don't think that Ooze Genasi came from a coupling of an ooze creature and a human. I think they're humans born on the plane of ooze under certain conditions. That's what I hope, anyway.
#5 sarig_the_genie Aug 03, 2004 7:54:58	The Roaming Genasi Tavern That's worth checking out, though I don't remember if the stats were any good or not. But it does have what you're looking for; a bit of fluff.
#6 zombiegleemax Aug 03, 2004 9:46:36	Mmmmm. Fluff... :-p======------
#7 psionicpally_dup Aug 03, 2004 23:32:52	Ah, many thanks.
#8 wyvern76 Aug 04, 2004 3:38:13	Originally posted by Ohtar Turinson I'm pretty sure that Mimir.net has a link to a bunch of Genasi for the energy planes and all the para- and quasi-elemental planes. You can find links from articles in the explorer Mimir I believe. I haven't tried using them, but most of them looked pretty good. (and most of them are updated to 3.5 I think) 3.5? Last I knew, the Mimir hadn't even been updated to 3.0. There was a Dragon magazine article a while back that gave 3.0 stats for other types of genasi, but I don't remember the issue number. Wyvern
#9 lord_of_the_ninth_02 Aug 04, 2004 3:55:27	It was the Epic Dragon, no. 297. It had dust, ice, magma, ooze, smoke, and steam genasi. 'Course it didn't acknowledge that steam and dust are supposed to be quasielemental, not paraelemental (they saw them as being the combination of fire and water and earth and air, respectively). The article also has chaotic and lawful planetouched, which, for those of you unsatisfied with the Zenythri and Chaond, I believe to much better. They're called the Cansin (chaos) and Axani (law). The rest of magazine isn't too terribly great (epic stuff irks me), but it's almost worth it for the planetouched (and the Nether template is interesting). P.S. Spinagon, the quote in your sig bothers me, Baatezu can't stand the touch of silver. It's considered an insult to offer to pay them with it. Just thought you should know (sorry for being such a nitpicker).
#10 zombiegleemax Aug 04, 2004 4:34:30	Originally posted by Lord of the Ninth P.S. Spinagon, the quote in your sig bothers me, Baatezu can't stand the touch of silver. It's considered an insult to offer to pay them with it. Just thought you should know (sorry for being such a nitpicker). Don't look at me. I got it out of a PS book. I've never heard that they couldn't stand the touch of it... But of course they're Baatezu. Anything of their's that's stolen, good or bad, they'd probably get ****** off anyway just for the simple idea of a cutter peeling 'em. *shrug*
#11 ohtar_turinson Aug 04, 2004 6:51:08	Originally posted by Wyvern76 3.5? Last I knew, the Mimir hadn't even been updated to 3.0. Mimir hasn't. It's an off site link, the Genasi site Sarig's linked since I posted that. I found it through Mimir.
#12 wyvern76 Aug 05, 2004 3:57:44	Originally posted by Lord of the Ninth The article also has chaotic and lawful planetouched, which, for those of you unsatisfied with the Zenythri and Chaond, I believe to much better. They're called the Cansin (chaos) and Axani (law). Sorry for going off-topic, but I asked this question in another thread months ago and never got an answer... what is it about the Zenythri and Chaond that people dislike so much? I haven't seen the rules for them myself, so I'm curious. Wyvern
#13 lord_of_the_ninth_02 Aug 05, 2004 4:31:02	Well the art isn't as good, I hate the spell shatter, both of them got a charisma penelty, and the stats don't quite match the flavor as well as they do in issue 297. They also made them CR 1 instead of 1/2 for no particular reason. Frankly they seem sloppy.
#14 sildatorak Aug 05, 2004 8:21:13	Originally posted by Wyvern76 what is it about the Zenythri and Chaond that people dislike so much? I find the concept of them about as ridiculous as vacuum genasi. The lawful and chaotic races seem incredibly unlikely to have relations with a normal humanoid. You can see the possibility for it with celestials since many of them are beautiful humanoids, and fiends have some attractive humanoids (erinyes, succubus). Even the fricking wierd/hideous fiends (gelugon, piscoloth, Shemeska, etc) are sadistic enough to copulate with a humanoid for the sheer distress a half-fiendish child will cause its mother. I seriously doubt that Modrons are "fully functional" with humanoids, and slaad generally "impregnate" humans with egg pellets. If you are a Modron hater and use Formians/Inevitables as your lawful exemplars, you still have the problems of them not being compatible with humanoids.
#15 ohtar_turinson Aug 05, 2004 12:07:30	Originally posted by Sildatorak I seriously doubt that Modrons are "fully functional" with humanoids, and slaad generally "impregnate" humans with egg pellets. If you are a Modron hater and use Formians/Inevitables as your lawful exemplars, you still have the problems of them not being compatible with humanoids. I didn't like either race much either, but I think they answered those concerns. The Chaond the result of strange reactions with Slaadi eggs- they don't always produce recognizable Slaadi after all. The Zenythri's explination was a bit shakier. They claimed connection to "Some unknown entities of law". I'd call them a result of the same things as some Genasi- just a result of the circumstances of birth.
#16 zombiegleemax Aug 11, 2004 9:43:22	Originally posted by Lord of the Ninth It was the Epic Dragon, no. 297. It had dust, ice, magma, ooze, smoke, and steam genasi. 'Course it didn't acknowledge that steam and dust are supposed to be quasielemental, not paraelemental (they saw them as being the combination of fire and water and earth and air, respectively). According to the Planescape Monstrous Compendium III (1998), variant planes of Steam and Dust- combining fire/water and earth/air respectively- are believed by sages to have existed in the distant past.
#17 theocracity Aug 11, 2004 9:54:21	Originally posted by Sildatorak I find the concept of them about as ridiculous as vacuum genasi. Those must really suck. :D
#18 zombiegleemax Aug 31, 2004 13:47:29	They have those at The Roaming Genasi Tavern, they are to Primes as Primes are to Planars, kind of like uber-clueless. Some day I plan to play a vacuum-touched Kendar ;)
#19 zombiegleemax Aug 31, 2004 17:33:54	Well, if you can get a tiefling out of a Baatezu bloodline (LE) couldn't you get a lawful aligned planetouched too? Or out of an Archon. Or a chaotic planetouched out of a Tanar'ri or Eladrin?
#20 lord_of_the_ninth_02 Aug 31, 2004 19:44:02	Archmage, that is exactly the explantion used for Cansin and Axani in the Dragon 297. Although slaad may also be responsible (and an argument could be made for mercanes)
#21 zombiegleemax Aug 31, 2004 23:21:18	Planetouched don't always have to come about through mating, they can also have absorbed part of a plane. Over time, humans living on Mechanus might slowly transform into Axani/Zenythri. It's certainly better then saying that someone was getting freaky with mercanes or modrons.
#22 zombiegleemax Sep 01, 2004 1:26:59	Also while the might not be useful in Planescape they might work in another campaign. For example in my world genies are associated not with the elements but with law or chaos. A genie is the immortal king of a key city and has outlived several wives. So I could use chaos/law touched races. Well except that I play my own system and blah blah don't use anything WotC makes, but the point is that while they don't fit the core cosmology they could easily find a place in someone's homebrew.
#23 zombiegleemax Sep 01, 2004 2:05:54	Fans (or enemies) of the Rod of Seven Parts might remember the Wind Dukes. They're uber-lawful outsiders with an appealing humanoid form and the requisit parts for reproducing. -Eric Gorman (though I confess I don't like the Zenythi or Chaond either, perhaps for their bad art)
#24 mithral_icesilver_02 Sep 09, 2004 19:36:39	People mentioned mercanes. THAT is what a zenythri is. Not a lawful heritage. A zenythri is a half-mercane, according to some spelljammer site somewhere.