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#1zombiegleemaxAug 05, 2004 14:26:20 | Hey guys. I've been watching this board for some time now but this will be my first post here. I've played DS from it's inception back in 1991 and it has been one of my favorite AD&D settings. Recently I saw a thread here which discussed the race to which Rajaat belonged to. Two most accepted choice where Pyreen and human. Pyreen seemed most likey, given his long life span. Yet I picked up a novel again (Brazen Gambit) and I noticed that he is referred to as being a human (very first chapter when Hamanu speaks). Is this just an assumption by the author? Where does it state that Rajaat was a Pyreen? Thanks... And I hope to have a nice long stay here P.S. You can get a link to the chapter here |
#2SysaneAug 05, 2004 14:32:03 | Well the Brazen Gambit isn't the most reliable of sources but the Warbringer is most definitely a Pyreen. You could say that he may have been confused as human due to him him being so severly deformed as an explination. |
#3murkafAug 05, 2004 14:48:12 | Pyreen have a ressemblance to all the rebirth races. That's not too different from human. Also, a Change Self or Alter Self spell and he could convince anyone that he was Human... Compliance to the Pennarinian Clause: Pis c'est ça qui est ça |
#4dracochapelAug 05, 2004 20:42:52 | I think he was first mentioned as a Pyreen in the revised campaign setting. In 'Cerulean Storm' when the SK's are telling rikus and sadira about the history of the world they talk about him as a human and refer to his human spirit. Since his form looks more like a monster than any of the races theres no way to tell from physical appearance, and i would expect the SK's who are humanocentric to refer to him as a warped human rather than a pyreen. He probably was originally a human and then the developers realised they were stuck with how could he live long enough to invent magic? Or they preferred the idea of the 'evil pyreen'. I regard him as a human mutation with an extraordinary long life span (as well as his incredible intellect the benefits of his mutation) - like the MULE in the Federation books by isaac asimov, he was super intelligent/psychic and long lived (?) but sterile. But i dont think his race really matters, and you can always just say who would know? The Pyreens might know the truth, but they might also have forgotten/lost the knowledge - since the chief Pyreen from the DS monster compendium actually wanted to kill Borys the Dragon he cant have been too up to date with what was going on (if borys died, rajaat comes out, death and mayhem galore...) |
#5PennarinAug 06, 2004 0:27:39 | Its a delicate point az_zel, and you're partly right. Lynn Abbey was not a DS fan when she wrote her novels (meaning she did not know all the techobabble about DS, just like most D&D fantasy authors) and could only rely on what info she could get from the books T$R gave her, and those did not cover the entire printed material. At the time of the novel's writting there was a policy of non-involvment of the Game department into the Novels department, which some say partly caused the downfall of T$R. So she was not privy to most of the changes that would be made from future releases, including a timeline of future events that would take place. Basically she was rendered blind. You can find the concepts she managed to reason out of the books she read, by reading her Notes on Rise and Fall of a Dragon King, found here: Lynn's Notes. You must click with the right mouse button on the link that will appear and make a "save as" to be able to read it. There's also Lynn's Letter to the mailing list, where she explains herself, found here: First Letter. There's also a second Letter, where she explains again part of the reasons for the inconsistencies, found here: Second Letter Those inconsistencies, the result of a brakedown in communications between departments, include among other things the race which Rajaat belongs to. All of the above resources should show you why the inconsistencies exist and allow you to find your own way around them. |
#6zombiegleemaxAug 06, 2004 7:13:01 | Many thanks, Pennarin. That was incredibly useful |
#7gforce99Aug 06, 2004 7:35:57 | Originally posted by DracoChapel You meant Foundation BTW. ~Isaac Asimov rocked! |