I know that one got broken by a certain Kender, but that's really all I can remember... I can't really remember them being mentioned all that much after the Chronicles, so could someone please either correct me or update me on the locations(even general guesses would be appreciated)?
This question just crossed my mind and I was curious. Thanks :D
I think there was one in the ruins of Istar, that Wizard had one. The other one is probably in the Tower of Wayreth. The other 3 were destroyed. Raistlin's was cracked, Tas broke the other, And the last broke after the battle of the high clerist tower(I think).
It will be interesting to see if the ToHS book has the Dragon Orbs stats, or maybe it will be in the WoTL book?
Hmm...
Originally posted by Dragontooth
The big question is, Will we see the stats for the Dragon Orbs in the Tower of High Sorcery source book?
I think there was one in the ruins of Istar, that Wizard had one. The other one is probably in the Tower of Wayreth. The other 3 were destroyed. Raistlin's was cracked, Tas broke the other, And the last broke after the battle of the high clerist tower(I think).
What book was it that Raist's cracked? Was that in Legends? Plus wasn't Raist's the one out of Wayreth because Lorac took it from there. Just wondering
GCS
Tricksy little dragon orbs, yes precious.
Originally posted by Green_Cloaked_Sorcerer
What book was it that Raist's cracked? Was that in Legends? Plus wasn't Raist's the one out of Wayreth because Lorac took it from there. Just wondering
GCS
The Dragon Orb Raistlin had tried to escape him before he entered the abyss, and when it was rolling away from him there was a crack in it. (if i remember correctly, and it was in the Legend series)
The Dragon Orb Raistlin had came from Silvansti forest, and it orignated in the Tower of High Sorcery in Istar, and was removed from the Tower by Lorac when he took his test. As far as I know there is nothing about the Dragon Orb of Wayreth so its still there I presume. The only other one that remains is Zebulah's Laboratory. Zebulah is the red wizard that helped Tanis, Riverwind, Goldmoon, Caramon, and Tika when they were at the bottom of the Blood sea. pg. 74 of the Atlas of the Dragonlance World shows a map of the area where they were stuck. Shows a Dragon Orb in his laboratory.
Originally posted by clarkvalentine
There's one in my White Robe diviner PC's shoulder pack. ;) It terrifies him.
I think Stella has it, actually. Didn't you ask her to look after it? She seems completely unaffected by its wily powers.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Cam Banks
I think Stella has it, actually. Didn't you ask her to look after it? She seems completely unaffected by its wily powers.
He only wanted to keep it away from Yap. Once Kiro went to get Stella for him, he took it back. (Note that he never took it out of his pack - he handed the pack to her, orb and all, with explicit instructions to give it to nobody but him.)
It was foremost in Kiro's mind that the orb no nowhere near Master Yap.
Originally posted by IcingDeath09
ok so of the remaining dragon orbs what color are left, i'm pretty sure that tas broke the white one and raistling had a green one
The Dragon Orbs of Dragonlance aren't the same as the Dragon Orbs of the DMG magic item section. In the former case, the orbs can call all kinds of chromatic dragons, whereas the latter orbs are limited or tied only to one variety of dragon.
I'd be surprised if there weren't any stats for Dragon Orbs in the ToHS book ... but one can always make do with the sample orb statted out in the Anvil of Time adventure.
Originally posted by iltharanos
The Dragon Orbs of Dragonlance aren't the same as the Dragon Orbs of the DMG magic item section. In the former case, the orbs can call all kinds of chromatic dragons, whereas the latter orbs are limited or tied only to one variety of dragon.
I'd be surprised if there weren't any stats for Dragon Orbs in the ToHS book ... but one can always make do with the sample orb statted out in the Anvil of Time adventure.
I aim to please. The Dragon Orb is written up in Towers of High Sorcery and features a new illustration by Drew Baker!
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Originally posted by jechambers
I aim to please. The Dragon Orb is written up in Towers of High Sorcery and features a new illustration by Drew Baker!
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
I think that aim is for so there is no ooops a Kender stole it from the pages of the source book. Like the map to the DLCS. Someone needs to find that Kender.
Originally posted by jechambers
I aim to please. The Dragon Orb is written up in Towers of High Sorcery and features a new illustration by Drew Baker!
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Holy crap Jamie. Just when I think my curiosity about this book has hit it's highpoint, you go and say something like that. Now I simply cannot wait for the book to come out. Must .... have ......book.......
Now look, you've gone and made me drool on the keyboard...
Originally posted by frostdawn
Now look, you've gone and made me drool on the keyboard...
And you don't know half of the good stuff coming up in that book and the War of the Lance. Seriously, if you liked what Sovereign Press has done before, you're going to love what they're doing now.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by frostdawn
Hmm, speaking of which, I've heard the the ToHS is due out late August, early September, but I haven't heard the estimated release date for WotL?
Towers of High Sorcery will be in stores September 1, 2004 -- with War of the Lance currently scheduled for release on October 1, 2004--though lucky GenCon attendees should be able to walk away with a copy while the bulk of the shipment comes by boat from China!
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
I was very impressed by them in DRAGONS OF WINTER MIDNIGHT. I was awed by their power. I was awed by what they could do to an entire nation like Silvanesti. I was awed by a lot of what a Dragon Orb which had to power to do to Silvanesti and imprison Speaker of the Stars Lorac AND summon Cyan Bloodbane to protect it. There.
I was impressed right up untill the point where the Dragon Orb which had the power to do all that somehow lacked the power to overcome Kitiara and Skie. While I understand that they needed Kitiara to survive somehow, the fact that a Dragon Orb had the power to do all that and then not be able to overcome her was kinda a heresy in my eyes.
So we know that Raistlin's survived untill book two, TEST OF THE TWINS. It would have been interesting if somehow Raistlin's DragonOrb came into contact with the Dragon Orb of the Silvanesti (stolen from Ishtar). If the DragonOrb was indeed sentinent, then it wuld have been quite a paradox, kinda like Bill And Ted running into Bill And Ted in their Excellent Adventure.
Oh, this goes back to the debate on the timeline of DragonLance. Regardless of whether we believe Fistandatilus went 39 years into the future or 100 years (which I prescribe to), the fact is that in book two, TEST OF THE TWINS, his Dragon Orb went crazy at one point because the Queen of Darkness had already entered Krynn. That means that the Temple had already appeared and Berem had already pulled hte gem out.
Lets see, there was the Dragon Orb of Icewall, destroyed by Tasslehoff at White Stone. THe Dragon Orb of the High Clerists Tower. While we did not actually see it destroyed, it is possible it did survive somehow.
That leaves two still out there. I imagine the Dragon Orb that the Silvanesti ended up with that was taken from Ishtar was probably originally left in the Tower of High Sorcery in Ishtar. After the Tower was evacuated, the KingPriests forces probably took it untill Lorac came across.
It is possible the other two were destroyed when the Towers of High Sorcery fell. But it is also possible that they are in Wayreath as well.
Originally posted by DmJoeSolarte
That leaves two still out there. I imagine the Dragon Orb that the Silvanesti ended up with that was taken from Ishtar was probably originally left in the Tower of High Sorcery in Ishtar.
The orb of Silvanesti which held Lorac in thrall, which Lorac originally took from Istar, was the orb that Raistlin mastered and took back in time with him. They're not two different orbs.
Cheers,
Cam
The Dragon Orbs of Dragonlance aren't the same as the Dragon Orbs of the DMG magic item section. In the former case, the orbs can call all kinds of chromatic dragons, whereas the latter orbs are limited or tied only to one variety of dragon.
Actually, they were described as having different coloured mists swirling in them. Lorac/Raistlin's orb WAS green. The Icewall orb was white. And the one in the High Clerist's tower was blue.
While I imagine that they CAN control all varieties of chromatics, they probably have a certain affinity towards dragons of their color.
I was pretty sure the red and black were supposedly destroyed. And Raistlin's was cracked, Icewall was broken. That leaves....the Blue one in the High Clerist's tower. Maybe.
I was very impressed by them in DRAGONS OF WINTER MIDNIGHT. I was awed by their power. I was awed by what they could do to an entire nation like Silvanesti. I was awed by a lot of what a Dragon Orb which had to power to do to Silvanesti and imprison Speaker of the Stars Lorac AND summon Cyan Bloodbane to protect it. There.
I was impressed right up untill the point where the Dragon Orb which had the power to do all that somehow lacked the power to overcome Kitiara and Skie. While I understand that they needed Kitiara to survive somehow, the fact that a Dragon Orb had the power to do all that and then not be able to overcome her was kinda a heresy in my eyes
Well, actually, that makes total sense. It trapped lorac because lorac tried to USE it, which Kitiara did not. It had no reason to have any power over Kitiara, seeing as she wasn't a dragon, and wasn't touching it. Meanwhile, why was it able to summon Cyan, but not Skie? That's pretty simple actually. It called Cyan, but somehow, I don't think it really had to FORCE him to come. Something tells me that nobody had to twist Cyan's arm to get him to come and rule over an entire elven nation. Hell, I don't think he even needed to be asked twice. I mean, in later books, he tried to do it AGAIN, without anyone even having to tell him. That says to me that he was a willing subject.
However, Skie, a dragon of equivalent or greater power than Cyan (as skie WAS one of those otherworldly dragons, and blues do rank higher on the power spectrum than greens) was far more likely to resist the OBVIOUS DEATH-TRAP OF DRAGONLANCE-POKEY DOOM in the tower, than Cyan was to resist free, yielding territory with multiple opportunities for delicious mayhem. I don't see this as a plot hole at all on their part.
Think of it like that clause of the dominate spell: If you order the subject to do something obviously against their nature, or harmful to itself, they get a second will save, with a bonus.
Originally posted by Khaibit_Ema_Neteru
And the one in the High Clerist's tower was blue.
The orb within the High Clerist's Tower had red mist swirling within it.
The orb within the High Clerist's Tower had red mist swirling within it
Seriously? Why the hell do I remember it being blue? I'm breaking out my copy of Winter Night as we speak
Originally posted by Khaibit_Ema_Neteru
Meanwhile, why was it able to summon Cyan, but not Skie? That's pretty simple actually. It called Cyan, but somehow, I don't think it really had to FORCE him to come. Something tells me that nobody had to twist Cyan's arm to get him to come and rule over an entire elven nation. Hell, I don't think he even needed to be asked twice. I mean, in later books, he tried to do it AGAIN, without anyone even having to tell him. That says to me that he was a willing subject.
However, Skie, a dragon of equivalent or greater power than Cyan (as skie WAS one of those otherworldly dragons, and blues do rank higher on the power spectrum than greens) was far more likely to resist the OBVIOUS DEATH-TRAP OF DRAGONLANCE-POKEY DOOM in the tower, than Cyan was to resist free, yielding territory with multiple opportunities for delicious mayhem. I don't see this as a plot hole at all on their part.
Gotta disagree with this. DRAGONS OF WINTER MIDNIGHT was very clear. CYAN BLOODBANE was one of the most powerfull dragons that had returned to Krynn, and that only the Great Red was bigger then Cyan. If The Great Red, whom is almost certainly the Ancient Red Dragon that is Takhisis consort in the Abyss, then Cyan Bloodbane is much more powerfull then Skie was.
I think it came down to the fact that Kitiara needed to survive the battle as did Skie. BUt it was very disappointing that the power that a Dragon Orb had to do what it did to the Silvanesti when utilized incorrectly had the power to do what it did; but when activated properly, had no abilllity to overcome Skie's bond with Kitiara was kinda sparse.
Also, it's Winter Night, not Winter Midnight.
Cheers,
Cam
Hyperbole aside, Skie could wipe the floor with Cyan Bloodbane.
True story. Skie was just not prone to flaunting his power, but as one of the dragons from the other world, he was inherently more powerful than equivalent krynnian dragons.
But even if you disagree, it still comes back to one thing: Cyan was WILLING to go to silvanesti and pervert the place. I'm sure this sounded like an INCREDIBLY GOOD IDEA to Cyan. It's like casting dominate on someone, then commanding them to eat their favorite flavor of ice cream. The dominate really wasn't necessary. In fact, they could make their will save, and assuming they knew it wasn't poisoned, they'd probably STILL eat the ice cream. You could've just informed the person that you HAD the ice cream, and that he was welcome to it; or informed Cyan that you HAD the en-tranced elven wizard-king, and that he was welcome to silvanost. It would've had the same effect.
Meanwhile, Skie, also a very powerful dragon, was considerably more reserved about FLYING HEADFIRST INTO AN OBVIOUS DEATHTRAP OF DRAGONLANCE-POKEY DOOM. That's not hard to see. That would've been reason enough for him to be able to overcome it, and the fact that he had an incredibly charismatic and commanding person on his back to snap him out of the momentary trance-ish-ness and say "Stupid dragon. No flying into the deathtrap of dragonlance-pokey doom. Bad dragon! VERY BAD DRAGON!" didn't hurt.
Stop trying to see plot tricks when they aren't there.
Also, I really, really enjoy saying "Dragonlance-Pokey Doom"
1) Cyan Bloodbane learned a lot of things from Galan Dracos as a youngster in the 3rd Dragon War.
2) Cyan Bloodbane was considered the largest dragon on all of Krynn next to the Big Red herself or something like that. That makes him the most powerfull of the Green's at a minimum.
3) Cyan Bloodbane had some sort of relationship with Raistlin.
All told, I suppose we will never know who would win between Cyan Bloodbane and Skie
Is there anything out there on what happened to Cyan Bloodbane?
And yes.....we do know for certain that Skie could wipe the floor with Cyan any old day....he was massive.....and one of the otherwordly dragons....who were larger than any Krynn dragons.
Hands down Skie would have won out......especially during the Fifth Age.
I suggest that you continue your reading beyond chronicles and legends....it will give you much more insight into a debate like this...it seems that you are just not armed with the info to make an accurate judgement on the matter. That isnt an insult btw...not at all....I just think you would do well to get more familiar with the material before making a statement that is incorrect.
Now....to get you directly to where you will learn oodles about the power of Khellendros (Skie)
Fifth Age Boxed Set- Explains that the great dragons (Skie included are much more powerful than Krynn dragons (i.e. Cyan)
Dragons of a New Age- Directly shows Skie's power and again gives the info about great dragons
The War of Souls- Herein lies the death of Cyan...and later the death of Skie....this is where you learn exactly how tough these guys are.
Mostly because it seriously disappointed me. For all that he did a lot better than others, I was really disappointed with his end. "No, sorry, we were jerking you around the entire time. You're a moron. Die now."
More disappointing, even, than Tanis. Because Skie didn't even have the excuse of "I didn't see the guy behind me"
Though, I suppose, looking at it from another direction, he did go down spitting his pure electrical hatred into the face of an avatar of a deity. That kindof makes me feel better, because it's really cool to say.
Skie was approached by Mina, who was acting as an emissary for Takhisis. She instructed him to abandon his foolish tasks and get back to work for her.....He refused by stylishly breathing his lightning breath upon the puny mortal Mina, who mrtally wounded him by seding it back at him, charged with divine power (spell from AoM which I cannot remember the name of). He had a vision of Kitiara, who coaxed him into one more battle.....
(insert conversation between Mirror and dying Skie here.
Malys showed up...Skie attacked her, wounding her....not seriously, but enough to have maken a stand and died battling......
Malys destroyed him, ripped him to shreds, tore him apart, and didnt stop mutilating him until long after he was dead.
Originally posted by DmJoeSolarte
2) Cyan Bloodbane was considered the largest dragon on all of Krynn next to the Big Red herself or something like that. That makes him the most powerfull of the Green's at a minimum.
Not quite, at the time of the War of the Lance, he was the largest dragon on Krynn except for another red dragon. He would have been puny compared to Malys.
But during the War of the Lance....who knows....I dont remember much size comparison between dragons.
Anyhow....Cyan wasn't assigned to Silvanesti.....he was disobeying the Dark Queen by continuing his torment of the elves...working counterproductively to what she needed. Which is why she destroyed him.
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
No...Skie was, at the end of both his and Cyan's lives...much larger than Cyan could ever hope to become....due to his alien dragon nature and his draconic vampirism. As an otherworldly dragon Skie was much larger......Hell, during the Fifth Age Cyan wasn't even the largest green dragon. That honor likely went to Beryl.
But during the War of the Lance....who knows....I dont remember much size comparison between dragons.
Anyhow....Cyan wasn't assigned to Silvanesti.....he was disobeying the Dark Queen by continuing his torment of the elves...working counterproductively to what she needed. Which is why she destroyed him.
Serena I think you took the left path, and DMJOE took the right path. (not saying neither is right just saying your talking about 2 different things)
Cyan Bloodbane would of been about the same size as Skie during the war of the Lance. Skie didn't grow big until he went into the Grey. If Cyan would of visited the Grey he too would of grown big. Being other world dragon or not.
Now lets get back on track here. When Lorac tried to use the Orb he failed. The Orb called Cyan Bloodbane to it. Once there the Orb gave Cyan the ability to warp Lorac's dreams which being an evil dragon that seem like an enjoyment for him.
When Laurana used the Orb she succeded, and the orb called all the dragons into flying into the High Clerist Tower. I think all dragons within so many miles, or feet have to make a will save, or be enthrald by the orb. But Skie rolled a natural 20 on the dice, and automaticly saved vs the Orb so he didn't have to fly into the High Clerist Tower. (problem solved)
Anvil of Time - Who knows, it could be any of the other orbs as well
High Clerist's Tower - Lost under piles of fallen stones
Silvanesti - Broken
Icewall - Broken
Zebulah's Refuge in sunken Istar - Still there as far as I know...
Anvil of Time - Who knows, it could be any of the other orbs as well
High Clerist's Tower - Lost under piles of fallen stones
Silvanesti - Broken
Icewall - Broken
Which one was in Zebulah's Refuge, did they ever say? Blue or Black?
By the way, whoever corrected me on the color of the High Clerist's tower orb, you were right. I feel silly now.
Originally posted by Dragontooth
[b]Serena I think you took the left path, and DMJOE took the right path. (not saying neither is right just saying your talking about 2 different things)
Cyan Bloodbane would of been about the same size as Skie during the war of the Lance. Skie didn't grow big until he went into the Grey. If Cyan would of visited the Grey he too would of grown big. Being other world dragon or not.
Incorrect. As the WoS series clearly states the "alien" dragons are naturally larger than Krynn's natural dragons, and they increase their power and become bloated in appearance by eating the dragons they kill. As Skie was an "alien" dragon he most likely was not affected as much by the drgon orbs as Krynn's natural dragons.
Zebulah's Refuge in sunken Istar - Still there as far as I know...
Anvil of Time - Who knows, it could be any of the other orbs as well
High Clerist's Tower - Lost under piles of fallen stones
Silvanesti - Broken
Icewall - Broken
So Istar had two dragon orbs before the Cataclysm? I only say this because Lorac either stole or was give one orb after he took the Test, and now there's also one in Zebulah's refuge? News to me. I know 5 orbs were orignally created and they captyred the souls or essence of dragons within them, but do the dragon orbs affect metallic dragons or only the chromatic variety???
Originally posted by Khaibit_Ema_Neteru
Which one was in Zebulah's Refuge, did they ever say? Blue or Black?
I don't think it ever stated what kind, most everyone here seems to be going off of the map of Zebulah's Refuge that listed the dragon orb in one of the air-pocket rooms.
By the way, whoever corrected me on the color of the High Clerist's tower orb, you were right. I feel silly now.
That was me! :D
Originally posted by Khaibit_Ema_Neteru
Which one was in Zebulah's Refuge, did they ever say? Blue or Black?
By the way, whoever corrected me on the color of the High Clerist's tower orb, you were right. I feel silly now.
Zebulah's Refuge - Blue
High Clerist Tower - Red
Silvanesti - Green
Icewall - White
That leaves:
Anvil of Time - Black
However, considering that the Anvil of Time is a giant Time Machine, that orb found in there could be any of the previously mentioned orbs especially considering that the orb is present in some ages but missing in others. Not to mention that Tracy neglected to mention the colour of the orb in the Anvil.
So I guess in theory there could be another orb out there that hasn't had it's story told yet...
Creating the Dragon Orbs in the first place was a rather Herculean task, requiring all three orders. However, it was definitely do-able.
Is that magic still possible? If so, it might be a REALLY good idea for the towers of High Sorcery to get to work on creating Orbs to replace the broken ones, and acquiring those which are still extant. It would give them a serious edge that they NEED if they're going to re-establish themselves as a world power.
Just a thought.
Originally posted by Dragontooth
Serena I think you took the left path, and DMJOE took the right path. (not saying neither is right just saying your talking about 2 different things)
Cyan Bloodbane would of been about the same size as Skie during the war of the Lance. Skie didn't grow big until he went into the Grey. If Cyan would of visited the Grey he too would of grown big. Being other world dragon or not.
Now lets get back on track here. When Lorac tried to use the Orb he failed. The Orb called Cyan Bloodbane to it. Once there the Orb gave Cyan the ability to warp Lorac's dreams which being an evil dragon that seem like an enjoyment for him.
When Laurana used the Orb she succeded, and the orb called all the dragons into flying into the High Clerist Tower. I think all dragons within so many miles, or feet have to make a will save, or be enthrald by the orb. But Skie rolled a natural 20 on the dice, and automaticly saved vs the Orb so he didn't have to fly into the High Clerist Tower. (problem solved)
Don't forget that it was specifically mentioned that if the dragon and rider had a "bond" then it would be difficult to control them. Kitiara and Sky had such a bond, as is a good reason why he resisted the "call".
Also, I tend to think that affecting land and trees and such would be a tad bit tougher than controlling a free willed, bonded with a human dragon. Both would take massive amounts of magic, but one has the benefit of resisting the affect.
Getting back to Cyan Bloodbane for a moment
Cyan was a green dragon and as such took great joy in twisting Lorac and the Silvenesti nation which might be why he chose to ignore his queens summons.
Cyan did heed Raistlin's call at the end of Dragons of Spring Dawning for 2 reasons 1st the elves where retaking back thier home, (2 and Raistlin's command of magic and possesion of the dragon orb plus Rastlin attitude matched Cyan's , I figure Cyan had found a rider worthy of following.
As for the orbs in a few later games i ran the orbs where out of the campain.
I can't wait for the new source books coming out hoping this time too be able to play DL not Run the game. sorry about bumping an old post.
I figure Cyan had found a rider worthy of following.
I'd say this definately is not the case, as it seemed to me that they were really trying to point out the fact that Cyan despised Raistlin at the end of DoSD. I think your first assumption was right in that it was Raistlin's command of magic and the dragonorb that kept Cyan in check.
I'd say this definately is not the case, as it seemed to me that they were really trying to point out the fact that Cyan despised Raistlin at the end of DoSD. I think your first assumption was right in that it was Raistlin's command of magic and the dragonorb that kept Cyan in check.
True. Most chromatic and metallic dragons are highly independent. The exceptions are generally Silver and Blue dragons. Greens are very independent not enjoying to being beholden or in servitude to anyone. Cyan did not like Raistlin anymore than Pyros liked Verminard. The only reason they served them was because they were compelled to. Pyros by Takhisis and Cyan by the dragonorb.