But in your campaign, you make the rules... so whatever works for you.
-TRRW
also i was wondering, if only black robes can see it, does evreyone know about it?
Originally posted by Katt Nightstalker
i've alway's been confused by this. if theres a big black orb in the sky, wouldent evreybody notice the litle circle where the stars are blotted out?
also i was wondering, if only black robes can see it, does evreyone know about it?
The was of souls end in the event called the night of 2 moons .
So I can only guess that the common people dont know about nuitari moon or dont want to accept its exisistance because they have small imagination or something...(but I think the latter is redicouls what so hard to belive in an unseeing moon when a dragon in a size of a city threating you?!)
Originally posted by Katt Nightstalker
i've alway's been confused by this. if theres a big black orb in the sky, wouldent evreybody notice the litle circle where the stars are blotted out?
also i was wondering, if only black robes can see it, does evreyone know about it?
According to most sources, Joe Schmoe doesn't know a thrid moon (Nuitari) exsists. Some common people gain knoweldge or hear of it from by overhearing black robe wizards, adventures, and the of course the other WoHS know of it's there. If you were going to give it a DC check to know of the Black Moon, I'd have to say it's be somewhere between a 20 and 25 for the common man, 15-20 for someone adventuring with a talkative wizard, and a give for a wizard of any color. Btw as far as I can tell only Black Ribe wizards can see Nuitari, but then as TRRW said. it's your game.
Whereas normal people might notice a patch of sky with no stars, Black Robes see the full glory of Nuitari.
-TRRW
I think that's one of the reason Raist freaked out so much when he noticed the Tak was missing from the heavens in DoAT. He knew could see that not only was her constallation missing but so was her glory, which meant trouble for the world.
But remember that many people on Ansalon are not astronomy buffs. They're also not students of modern reason. The black hole in the sky may not, to their minds, be a "moon", nor might it have a name. To them it's just some celestial anomaly.
The general statement is that only those that worship Nuitari's power can see by it's light. That means the Black Robes. However, there has also been some indication that creatures heavily influenced by black magic, such as Draconians and certain undead, can also see the radiance of Nuitari.
Although I'd make a case for undead being able to see by Nuitari's light too, as is te case with the "light" from the Nightjewel
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Solinari and Lunitari are, for the most part, called by name, but I suspect that a lot of people don't realize that the moons are also representative of actual gods. That was especially true prior to the War of the Lance.
Nuitari, being essentially invisible except for blocking other stars and occasionally eclipsing the other moons, may not be identified as a moon and certainly may not be known by name.
The Wizards of High Sorcery are also a trifle prone to secrecy and I doubt that they discuss their connections with the moons all that openly. Remember that they are not clerics and do not have to proselytize. Additionally, I doubt that they want it to be widely known that their powers wax and wane with the phases of the moons. So many people may not draw the association between the three Orders and the three moons.
)Originally posted by Koranith
That's another question. Are the moons of Krynn roughly equitorial? If they are then everything works cool for Taladas and the other unknown lands of Krynn. If not though then there are going to be someplaces where the moons are never seen. While I don't see this being a for High SOrcery to work all over the planet, it does seem unlikely that those places where the moons are not seen, wouldn't know of the gods of magic unless they take a different form there.
It would seem that the moons are visible from both northern and southern hemispheres, as the triple moons are known and visible to the peoples of Taladas. So yes, they're probably equatorial.
Originally posted by Yona
Actually, Time of the Dragon has a different Moon tracking chart. The waxing and waning phases are longer, and the High and Low Sanction phases are shorter. Now, this probably isn’t as scientific as some would prefer, but it does make for some interesting ideas.
Well, that can be explained fairly easily:
They redid the moon tracking chart for 3rd edition.
The old 2nd edition moon tracking chart for Ansalon should be identical to the latest moon tracking chart we've got for Taladas (which is 2nd edition).Incidentally, I still have a 13 year old moon-tracking chart on my wall. I simply switched the red and black markers. Though, according to that chart the Night of the Eye occurs roughly every 3/4th year as I recall.
Nuitari can be played for all sorts of weirdness. I'd imagine mariners know about it, their livelihood depending on knowledge of the stars - Nuitari in High Sanction is probably bad luck to many superstitious sailors. Similarly, perhaps there are communities of commonoers who know more about the sky than others - good flavor material might be: "As you stroll through the village, you notice that none of the townspeople look up; their eyes seem transfixed on the ground, even when speaking to one another. It's almost as if they're afraid for their eyes to view the sky."
Originally posted by clarkvalentine
You know... *puts on Evil GM Hat* It would really freak a player out to tell them that they can see Nuitari. Especially if they weren't evil.
Nuitari can be played for all sorts of weirdness. I'd imagine mariners know about it, their livelihood depending on knowledge of the stars - Nuitari in High Sanction is probably bad luck to many superstitious sailors. Similarly, perhaps there are communities of commonoers who know more about the sky than others - good flavor material might be: "As you stroll through the village, you notice that none of the townspeople look up; their eyes seem transfixed on the ground, even when speaking to one another. It's almost as if they're afraid for their eyes to view the sky."
That I like. Gives it an almost Ravensloft feel to the situation. All you need now is some mist and useless random rolls for complete paranoia to set in.
Originally posted by Yona
In the night sky above you a single pale yellow moon shines. Players (in unison) I reach for my holy water
In DL, it's arguably even creepier because the PCs can't even see it (unless one is a black robe, of course, or perhaps cursed as I suggested above...) Maybe a village old wise sage has an ancient moon calendar, and warns his villagers "The Black Sun rises! Avert your eyes!" when the time comes (leaving the players to wonder "what in the world is he going on about?") Heck, maybe the calendar's even accurate.
Don’t get me started. Having three moons really screw up the smooth crossing over into Ravenloft.
Sure. Just do it after all three moons have set on the krynn side, and the one moon has set on the Ravenloft side.
Originally posted by Yona
Not exactly, the main change from 2nd Ed to 3rd was to switch the sizes between Lunitari and Nuitari, those had gotten mixed up. Taladas was specifically supposed to have a different chart. I’d post it if I could actually remember where I put my Time of the Dragon set.
Incidentally, I still have a 13 year old moon-tracking chart on my wall. I simply switched the red and black markers. Though, according to that chart the Night of the Eye occurs roughly every 3/4th year as I recall.
Yep, I checked it over and while the two charts have the exact same orbital periods (36, 28, and 8 days) the Taladas moon tracking chart does show shorter high and low sanctions. Perhaps this is due to their differing positions in the Taladan sky ... and Krynn's axial tilt ... and I dunno. ;)
Originally posted by iltharanos
Yep, I checked it over and while the two charts have the exact same orbital periods (36, 28, and 8 days) the Taladas moon tracking chart does show shorter high and low sanctions. Perhaps this is due to their differing positions in the Taladan sky ... and Krynn's axial tilt ... and I dunno. ;)
I think it was just supposed to try and narrow it down a little bit. It seemed to be trying to compare "Full Moon" and "New Moon" with "High Sanction" and "Low Sanction"...but the two are not the same. High Sanction is the phase and Full moon is the apex of that phase. There's really no need to shorten the High and Low Sanction phases...it doesn't make much sense from an astronomical stand point (or would that be astrological?).
Originally posted by iltharanos
Yep, I checked it over and while the two charts have the exact same orbital periods (36, 28, and 8 days) the Taladas moon tracking chart does show shorter high and low sanctions. Perhaps this is due to their differing positions in the Taladan sky ... and Krynn's axial tilt ... and I dunno. ;)
I think that was the idea. Not that it actually works that way (or Krynn's polar areas would be really intresting for mages), so I wonder what they'll do about Taladas' moon chart in the updated version.
Originally posted by Yona
I think that was the idea. Not that it actually works that way
Exactly!
The phase has absolutely nothing to do with its position in relation to a point on the surface of the planet; the phases are based solely on the moons' positions in relation to the the sun and the center of the planet.So location on the planet would not change phases, and I doubt they would make such a silly mistake if that was their intention. (at least I would hope they would research it a little bit before just arbitrarily decided that)
Originally posted by Brimstone
I think it was just supposed to try and narrow it down a little bit. It seemed to be trying to compare "Full Moon" and "New Moon" with "High Sanction" and "Low Sanction"...but the two are not the same. High Sanction is the phase and Full moon is the apex of that phase. There's really no need to shorten the High and Low Sanction phases...it doesn't make much sense from an astronomical stand point (or would that be astrological?).
Yeah, I'd imagine they'd use the same moon chart in whatever Taladas supplement gets released, just for simplicity's sake.
Astronomical is likely the most appropriate phrase. :D
Originally posted by Yona
Having three moons really screw up the smooth crossing over into Ravenloft.
Three? You guys have it easy. In Eberron we've gots twelve moons.
Originally posted by The White Sorcerer
Three? You guys have it easy. In Eberron we've gots twelve moons.
It's not how many you got...but how well you use them.
And the benefits of waxing or waning still effects in daytime, doesn't it?
Originally posted by RAIN of Waterdeep
Ok here is an other question.Are the three moons of magic only visible at nights or can you see them even on sunlight.If my memory doesn't fool me i read somehing that one can see them in daytime.
Just like you can see our own moon on a bright day. At least here in Finland it's visible every other day.
Only I think it would be quite impossible to spot Nuitari during the day without being a black robe.
Originally posted by RAIN of Waterdeep
And the benefits of waxing or waning still effects in daytime, doesn't it?
Why wouldn't it?
Originally posted by jonesy
Just like you can see our own moon on a bright day. At least here in Finland it's visible every other day.
Only I think it would be quite impossible to spot Nuitari during the day without being a black robe.
Why wouldn't it?
True you can see the moons during the day just as well as at night and the effects on spellcasting are the same for the evtire day, not just at night. Although if it's effects were only benefitial during the night, then most wizards would stay up all night doing their wizardly experiments, that just might explain why their always so cranky. Anyway...you still wouldn't be able to see Nuitari during the day. He just doesn't reflect sunlight like the rest do.
Originally posted by The White Sorcerer
They were all really confused when Raist talked about three moons.
I think Raistlin was lying to the companions when they asked him about it afterwards. He's a Wizard of High Sorcery...he knew very well that a third moon existed. I don't see any reason, though, why "uneducated" non-magic folk would know (or even care) that there was a third black moon up there.
Although, really...one would think the sailors would know. Anyway...I think the oceans are all pretty turbulent because of the three moons, one of which is flying around the planet once every three days. That can't be good for the oceans. Maybe that's why no one really knows much about other continents.
But since the sailors don't know...perhaps they just chalk the funky ebbs and flows of the tides to Zeboim being in a bad mood.
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
I think that they knew about the first two moons but they didnt know about the black moon.
Of course they knew about the silver moon and the red moon. They could see them.