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#1 cmrscorpio Aug 18, 2004 19:08:28	I just want to make sure my list of sorceror-monarchs who grant spells is complete and accurate. Hamanu, Lalali-Puy, Nibenay, and Andropinis grant spells to their templars, as stated by Athas.org. I'm assuming Dregoth does, too, since he is still around. Other templars don't get spells because their sorceror-kings got nixed and never came back to life or unlife. Is this right? Did I leave anybody out?
#2 nytcrawlr Aug 18, 2004 19:34:37	Not sure how Andropinis can since he is trapped in the Black still. You might be confusing the Paizo conversion with the athas.org one. hehe
#3 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Aug 18, 2004 20:40:09	Originally posted by cmrscorpio I just want to make sure my list of sorceror-monarchs who grant spells is complete and accurate. Hamanu, Lalali-Puy, Nibenay, and Andropinis grant spells to their templars, as stated by Athas.org. I'm assuming Dregoth does, too, since he is still around. Other templars don't get spells because their sorceror-kings got nixed and never came back to life or unlife. Is this right? Did I leave anybody out? As Nyt mentioned, it's kinda hard for Adropinis to grant spells while he's imprisoned. However, the Sorcerer-Kings that are still around are: Hamanu (of Urik) Nibenay (of, umm, Nibenay!) Lalai-puy (of Gulg) Dregoth (of New Giustenal) Daskinor (of Eldaaritch) Oronis (of Kurn, but he's kinda... well... not dragon-like, or doesn't assume the role of King)
#4 cmrscorpio Aug 18, 2004 20:59:00	thanks looks like i forgot about outside tyr region when i made my list. also, thanks for clarifying about Andropinis
#5 jon_oracle_of_athas Aug 19, 2004 7:32:18	Andropinis' templars become shadow wizards.
#6 Sysane Aug 19, 2004 7:37:03	Not sure how Andropinis can since he is trapped in the Black still. Would being trapped in the Black really stop him from granting his templars spells though? I could see it maybe hampering his ability to so but not completely shuting it down.
#7 zombiegleemax Aug 19, 2004 7:38:05	Originally posted by Jon, Oracle of Athas Andropinis' templars become shadow wizards. Really? Where was that mentioned? Just curious if there's an official source or if it's your interpretation. Was that in BTPP?
#8 Sysane Aug 19, 2004 7:40:43	Really? Where was that mentioned? Just curious if there's an official source or if it's your interpretation. Was that in BTPP? I know they say that Andro still maintains communication with his templars even while in the Black as stated in BtPP.
#9 jon_oracle_of_athas Aug 19, 2004 20:37:26	Secrets of the Deadlands if I'm not mistaken.
#10 jon_oracle_of_athas Aug 19, 2004 20:38:42	Which is why the vigilant observer will note that the shadow wizard prestige class does not have a "able to cast x level spells" as a requirement. ;)
#11 dracochapel Aug 20, 2004 1:28:25	Hmm, sounds like all my shadow wizard characters just realised those voices they heard telling them to kill were andropinis' This SOTD is as bad as Dregoth Ascending. No answers, just more questions. Id appreciate if you elaborated a bit. What is the deal with all the shadow wizards over the centuries? were they (unknowingly) following rajaat and andropinis is now stealing em away? Were they just tapping into the power without an intelligent controller and now they have discovered a bloke in there who talks back? Do only new andropinis templars become shadow wizards, or did all his old ones as well?
#12 jon_oracle_of_athas Aug 20, 2004 3:16:55	IIRC the text doesn't answer your questions, except question 4 for which the answer probably is 'both'.