sorry just wondering
i don't intend to **** people off with this question
Originally posted by Brimstone
Who knows...it's just another "minute" detail that War of Souls ignores.
That was one thing I noticed. They keep mentioning a bright red star in the WoS series, but the thing is...How could it be there if Tas hadn't died and he and Flint started the bad boy up again??? That and Reorx probably wouldn't have let a Kender within a parsec of his Forge. Another thing is a parsec a unit of distance, velocity, or time???? Never could figure that one out by watch the show.
nick
Originally posted by Cap'n Nick
hah! Han Solo did indeed use it correctly. A parsec is a distance measurement. The thing about making the kessel run in less than x parsecs is that the ship is fast enough to shave distance off by flying closer to celestial bodies without succumbing to their gravity wells. So, his ship is fast because it can make the run by flying closer than is normally considered safe to certain celestial bodies without the gravity destroying his ship. So there.
nick
What the hell are you talking about? Originally posted by person with the stuff
It's called 'denial'. ;)
Essentially he's saying that Dumbass, um, i mean Solo is using shortcuts by flowing close to stellar bodies (that a ship in hyperspace must normally steer well clear of to avoid being damaged or destroyed) and thus a journey that would normally be e.g. 5 parsecs of distance is instead e.g. 4 parsecs of distance due to those aforementioned shortcuts.
i.e. it's retconning! because the scriptwriters didn't realize a parsec was not a unit of time. Muhuhahaha.
Originally posted by Koranith
That was one thing I noticed. They keep mentioning a bright red star in the WoS series, but the thing is...How could it be there if Tas hadn't died and he and Flint started the bad boy up again??? That and Reorx probably wouldn't have let a Kender within a parsec of his Forge.
After the War of Souls, Tas had to (due to the promise he made to Fizban/Paladine that if he wanted to see Caramon's funeral, he had to promise to return to face Chaos) return to face his fate under the corns and bunyuns of Chaos. He jumped forward in time for the War of Souls, but then returned to the point he came from, which was right before getting squished.
Now the question I have is, when the chicken feathers appeared where Tas should have been a bloody smear, was that just a tool of foreshadowing, to let people know something else was going on, or what? If everything played out correctly, Tas would have stabbed Chaos' foot, went forward in time, then returned just in time to get squished. The outside observer should not have noticed anything amiss, like say a bunch of chicken feathers.
What do you guys think?
I could be wrong...it could be foreshadowing...but it really seems like they just left themselves a loophole to get back into the story (especially with Tas)
Originally posted by iltharanos
It's called 'denial'. ;)
Essentially he's saying that Dumbass, um, i mean Solo is using shortcuts by flowing close to stellar bodies (that a ship in hyperspace must normally steer well clear of to avoid being damaged or destroyed) and thus a journey that would normally be e.g. 5 parsecs of distance is instead e.g. 4 parsecs of distance due to those aforementioned shortcuts.
i.e. it's retconning! because the scriptwriters didn't realize a parsec was not a unit of time. Muhuhahaha.
Naw, it's called physics (where space and time are integrated).
However, waaaay off topic.
I agree with the above hypothesis. I don't think the WoS was yet thought up. I think T$R made some changes (including my personal most hated trilogy by Jean Rabe who wrote in passive tense during it) after the WoS trilogy that really screwed up Krynn in some ways.
It took Hickman and Weis to return to clean it up. WoS was their way of cleaning it up and returning Krynn to a more DL feel...IMO of course.
However, the end of DoSF was their way of leaving a way back in, a chink in the future one could say...
Originally posted by iltharanos
It's called 'denial'. ;)
Essentially he's saying that Dumbass, um, i mean Solo is using shortcuts by flowing close to stellar bodies (that a ship in hyperspace must normally steer well clear of to avoid being damaged or destroyed) and thus a journey that would normally be e.g. 5 parsecs of distance is instead e.g. 4 parsecs of distance due to those aforementioned shortcuts.
i.e. it's retconning! because the scriptwriters didn't realize a parsec was not a unit of time. Muhuhahaha.
And what does that have to do with Reorx and Kender?
Originally posted by person with the stuff
And what does that have to do with Reorx and Kender?
Easy. Just like Han's parsec comment and shooting of Greedo have been retconned, so has Flint and Tas' little scene at the end of Dragons of Summer Flame. Ahh, retconning ... no scene untouched, no backstory left behind.
Originally posted by iltharanos
Easy. Just like Han's parsec comment and shooting of Greedo have been retconned, so has Flint and Tas' little scene at the end of Dragons of Summer Flame. Ahh, retconning ... no scene untouched, no backstory left behind.
I thought the whole parsec thing was just a digression that went too far. The retconning part of it was a coincidence.
As for Flint and Tas, I don't think that was a retcon. Tas and friends are in the midst of the SoDF, fighting chaos (we'll call it point A in time) Tas stabs Chaos' foot and goes forward in time to the War of Souls (point B) in order to witness Caramon's funeral, he promised Fizban/Paladine, to return in order to face his destiny against Chaos. He returns to point A, and is squished. The more I think about it, the more I think that Fizban had a fondness for Tas, and didn't want his remains to be a gory paste, so he took his body at the last minute, and replaced it with chicken feathers. Whatever the reason, I don't know if I'd call it a retcon per se. Fizban and Tas were involved, so literally anything is/was possible. IIRC, I think Flint's body was taken by the gods as well, when he died at Godshome chasing after Berem, and was put to rest there.
Originally posted by mad sienctist
ok we know that at the end of dragons of summer flame that tas and flint meet up on the other side and that they start reorx forge and that makes the red star but do you think that our lil tas could have a way to make another planet?
sorry just wondering
i don't intend to **** people off with this question
I don't think Tas or even Flint would have a way to make another planet IMO. The red star wasn't created by them either. It was Reorx's forge, that was always there, their spirits just fired up the forge again in Reorx's absence. A cute way to let the reader know that the old friends found each other again after being apart for many years.
Originally posted by frostdawn
I thought the whole parsec thing was just a digression that went too far. The retconning part of it was a coincidence.
As for Flint and Tas, I don't think that was a retcon. Tas and friends are in the midst of the SoDF, fighting chaos (we'll call it point A in time) Tas stabs Chaos' foot and goes forward in time to the War of Souls (point B) in order to witness Caramon's funeral, he promised Fizban/Paladine, to return in order to face his destiny against Chaos. He returns to point A, and is squished. The more I think about it, the more I think that Fizban had a fondness for Tas, and didn't want his remains to be a gory paste, so he took his body at the last minute, and replaced it with chicken feathers. Whatever the reason, I don't know if I'd call it a retcon per se. Fizban and Tas were involved, so literally anything is/was possible. IIRC, I think Flint's body was taken by the gods as well, when he died at Godshome chasing after Berem, and was put to rest there.
The events you describe aren't the ones that are problematic, from a retcon point of view. The main problematic event/scene is the one where Tas (presumably post-squish) is meeting up with Flint and they sit by this lit forge and then it cuts to Krynn, where a newborn red star shows up in the evening sky (thus signalling that mortals are not alone in this new Fifth Age). The War of Souls does not seem to account for this one rather major event.
Originally posted by iltharanos
The events you describe aren't the ones that are problematic, from a retcon point of view. The main problematic event/scene is the one where Tas (presumably post-squish) is meeting up with Flint and they sit by this lit forge and then it cuts to Krynn, where a newborn red star shows up in the evening sky (thus signalling that mortals are not alone in this new Fifth Age). The War of Souls does not seem to account for this one rather major event.
Oops, my bad
I thought the red star was the red star of Reorx, which was always there (represented by his forge) Reorx was away fighting Chaos with the other gods, and was away from the forge as a result. When Krynn was moved, either the forge moved as well (unlikely), or the people could still see the forge, albeit in a slightly different location in the sky since their angle/perspecitive of it changed when the planet moved. This could give the misconception that it was a 'new' star but was really the same one that had always been there, just it's relative position in the night sky changed, leading people to believe it was a 'new' star. I dunno. To many things are often left to speculation or fan interpretation, just like my little ramble here. If the red star is truly a completely new formation, I clearly missed something. :P