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Jo'orsh & Sa'ram

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#1
zombiegleemax
Sep 05, 2004 5:30:56 Anyone know if the Champions knew that J&S were transformed into giants by the pristine tower?
#2
jaanos
Sep 05, 2004 7:18:50 If they didn't know, i'm fairly certain some of them would have suspected.
#3
zombiegleemax
Sep 05, 2004 8:27:26 I don't think they did. If they had known it might have helped them target the giant's islands in search of the Lens.
#4
zombiegleemax
Sep 05, 2004 22:41:30 Yeah, the whole concept bothers me. I find it odd that no one ever figured out that the giants had the dark lens before tithian and agis did. I just finished reading the obsidian oracle again and it just seemed too easy. The giants never even really kept it much of a secret. You would think J&S would have stressed the secrecy part of everything. I suppose that the SK's could have just wrote the giants off as a nusance creation of the pristine tower and left it at that..
#5
zombiegleemax
Sep 06, 2004 1:59:51 I guess the magic of J&S would have slowed them down a bit, as they could not have someone tell them of the location.
#6
murkaf
Sep 07, 2004 11:42:41 Does anyone else see a problem with Jo'orsh & Sa'ram being the first Giants created during the Cleansing Wars and Dregoth being already at war with the Giants when Raajat found him and offered him to become a Champion BEFORE the Cleansing Wars?
#7
zombiegleemax
Sep 07, 2004 13:54:36
Does anyone else see a problem with Jo'orsh & Sa'ram being the first Giants created during the Cleansing Wars and Dregoth being already at war with the Giants when Raajat found him and offered him to become a Champion BEFORE the Cleansing Wars?

I like to think that Dregoth killed off all the giants. Then, just after the fall of Kemalok, Sa'ram and Jo'orsh became two new breeds of giants. The only remaining giants of the past were the Thunder(?) Giants of the Last Sea. Hidden in the same way as the Lizardmen in Undertown.
#8
Sysane
Sep 07, 2004 15:29:38
I like to think that Dregoth killed off all the giants. Then, just after the fall of Kemalok, Sa'ram and Jo'orsh became two new breeds of giants. The only remaining giants of the past were the Thunder(?) Giants of the Last Sea. Hidden in the same way as the Lizardmen in Undertown.

Hmmmmm, I never considered that Dregoth may have actually finished off all of the giants and that the current giants are sort of a "new man" offshoot.
#9
zombiegleemax
Sep 07, 2004 15:33:37 Some may say that the official material states that Dregoth failed in his mission. It does. But it could be said that he did win originally, but failed after the birth of the new giants.
#10
Pennarin
Sep 07, 2004 15:39:48 Anyway, the first two giants were initially male dwarves, IIRC, so their fathering of the giant race is probably more based on giant myth than anything. :D

I'd say the dwarves did not actually turn into giants, but grew bigger (pretty much the same thing).

Oh and there is an "inconsistency" thread about the first giants.
#11
Sysane
Sep 07, 2004 15:48:16
Anyway, the first two giants were initially male dwarves, IIRC, so their fathering of the giant race is probably more based on giant myth than anything. :D

I'd say the dwarves did not actually turn into giants, but grew bigger (pretty much the same thing).

Oh and there is an "inconsistency" thread about the first giants.

In the campaign world of Kalamar the dwarves are actually cursed giants. Maybe in Athas giants (some anyway) are cursed dwarves? To be forever locked away from the embrace of the womb of the earth due to their size. Far fetched I know, but an intriguing thought IMO.
#12
zombiegleemax
Sep 07, 2004 15:54:47
Anyway, the first two giants were initially male dwarves, IIRC, so their fathering of the giant race is probably more based on giant myth than anything.

I have a fix for this aswell! As the two dwarves were changing they both died and became banshees that resembled the twisted forms in which they died. The bodies, no longer inhabited by the dwarves essences, became several giants of each racial type.
#13
dracochapel
Sep 08, 2004 2:22:24 I dont think the Champions knew J & S had become giants, or even what had become of the Dark Lens. They didnt know it was missing at least until after Borys recovered from his Dragon rage. The dwarves probably had died by this time and established the curse that the champions couldnt find the Dark Lens, and anyone who told them the location would die.
Hundreds of agents must have FOUND the giants who had the dark lens, since they kept trying to tell the SK's and would die. They wouldnt have died if they hadnt have known where the Dark Lens was. The giants had no reason to worry about the dark lens, it was only through trickery that let Tithian get it at all.

Through the cleansing wars lots of mysterious and twisted creatures had arisen, the SK's probably thought the beasthead giants were something created by one of them or to fight one of them. The other clan would have just been typical giants.
The SK's in general seem pretty disinterested in what was going on, they were quite happy with the status quo and their own little fiefdoms.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Sep 05, 2004 5:30:56	Anyone know if the Champions knew that J&S were transformed into giants by the pristine tower?
#2 jaanos Sep 05, 2004 7:18:50	If they didn't know, i'm fairly certain some of them would have suspected.
#3 zombiegleemax Sep 05, 2004 8:27:26	I don't think they did. If they had known it might have helped them target the giant's islands in search of the Lens.
#4 zombiegleemax Sep 05, 2004 22:41:30	Yeah, the whole concept bothers me. I find it odd that no one ever figured out that the giants had the dark lens before tithian and agis did. I just finished reading the obsidian oracle again and it just seemed too easy. The giants never even really kept it much of a secret. You would think J&S would have stressed the secrecy part of everything. I suppose that the SK's could have just wrote the giants off as a nusance creation of the pristine tower and left it at that..
#5 zombiegleemax Sep 06, 2004 1:59:51	I guess the magic of J&S would have slowed them down a bit, as they could not have someone tell them of the location.
#6 murkaf Sep 07, 2004 11:42:41	Does anyone else see a problem with Jo'orsh & Sa'ram being the first Giants created during the Cleansing Wars and Dregoth being already at war with the Giants when Raajat found him and offered him to become a Champion BEFORE the Cleansing Wars?
#7 zombiegleemax Sep 07, 2004 13:54:36	Does anyone else see a problem with Jo'orsh & Sa'ram being the first Giants created during the Cleansing Wars and Dregoth being already at war with the Giants when Raajat found him and offered him to become a Champion BEFORE the Cleansing Wars? I like to think that Dregoth killed off all the giants. Then, just after the fall of Kemalok, Sa'ram and Jo'orsh became two new breeds of giants. The only remaining giants of the past were the Thunder(?) Giants of the Last Sea. Hidden in the same way as the Lizardmen in Undertown.
#8 Sysane Sep 07, 2004 15:29:38	I like to think that Dregoth killed off all the giants. Then, just after the fall of Kemalok, Sa'ram and Jo'orsh became two new breeds of giants. The only remaining giants of the past were the Thunder(?) Giants of the Last Sea. Hidden in the same way as the Lizardmen in Undertown. Hmmmmm, I never considered that Dregoth may have actually finished off all of the giants and that the current giants are sort of a "new man" offshoot.
#9 zombiegleemax Sep 07, 2004 15:33:37	Some may say that the official material states that Dregoth failed in his mission. It does. But it could be said that he did win originally, but failed after the birth of the new giants.
#10 Pennarin Sep 07, 2004 15:39:48	Anyway, the first two giants were initially male dwarves, IIRC, so their fathering of the giant race is probably more based on giant myth than anything. :D I'd say the dwarves did not actually turn into giants, but grew bigger (pretty much the same thing). Oh and there is an "inconsistency" thread about the first giants.
#11 Sysane Sep 07, 2004 15:48:16	Anyway, the first two giants were initially male dwarves, IIRC, so their fathering of the giant race is probably more based on giant myth than anything. :D I'd say the dwarves did not actually turn into giants, but grew bigger (pretty much the same thing). Oh and there is an "inconsistency" thread about the first giants. In the campaign world of Kalamar the dwarves are actually cursed giants. Maybe in Athas giants (some anyway) are cursed dwarves? To be forever locked away from the embrace of the womb of the earth due to their size. Far fetched I know, but an intriguing thought IMO.
#12 zombiegleemax Sep 07, 2004 15:54:47	Anyway, the first two giants were initially male dwarves, IIRC, so their fathering of the giant race is probably more based on giant myth than anything. I have a fix for this aswell! As the two dwarves were changing they both died and became banshees that resembled the twisted forms in which they died. The bodies, no longer inhabited by the dwarves essences, became several giants of each racial type.
#13 dracochapel Sep 08, 2004 2:22:24	I dont think the Champions knew J & S had become giants, or even what had become of the Dark Lens. They didnt know it was missing at least until after Borys recovered from his Dragon rage. The dwarves probably had died by this time and established the curse that the champions couldnt find the Dark Lens, and anyone who told them the location would die. Hundreds of agents must have FOUND the giants who had the dark lens, since they kept trying to tell the SK's and would die. They wouldnt have died if they hadnt have known where the Dark Lens was. The giants had no reason to worry about the dark lens, it was only through trickery that let Tithian get it at all. Through the cleansing wars lots of mysterious and twisted creatures had arisen, the SK's probably thought the beasthead giants were something created by one of them or to fight one of them. The other clan would have just been typical giants. The SK's in general seem pretty disinterested in what was going on, they were quite happy with the status quo and their own little fiefdoms.