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Legion of Steel Levels

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#1
zombiegleemax
Sep 05, 2004 13:08:39 It seems that there are only three levels of the Legion of Steel PrC in the DLCS. Is there any information out there that extends the leveling of this class? If so, where?
#2
zombiegleemax
Sep 05, 2004 13:14:50 Any and all information on this would be greatly and most appreciated.
#3
zombiegleemax
Sep 05, 2004 13:23:42
Any and all information on this would be greatly and most appreciated.

In the AoM sourcebook there are 3 additional PrCs that are more specialized branches of the Legion. Each requires at least 1 level of Steel Legionaire. They are;

Legion Mystic 5 levels
Legion Scout 5 levels
Legion Sorcerer 5 levels.

So if you take all three levels of Steel Legionaire and all 5 levels of the add-on PrCs your Legion of Steel character will have 8 levels of Legion Prc classes. Kind of a dorky way of doing it, but it works. Besides the Legion was never a mover or shaker organization like the KoS or KoN, therefore it has less PrC levels.
#4
zombiegleemax
Sep 05, 2004 15:48:42 So then they are more covert in what they do than the other orders of Knights?
#5
zombiegleemax
Sep 05, 2004 15:57:51
So then they are more covert in what they do than the other orders of Knights?

Yes Amaron...just as it says in the DLCS and just about any other information dealing with the LoS
#6
theblackrobedarchmage
Sep 05, 2004 21:09:42 Why be a Steel Legionaire? Neutral got you down? Pick a side, friend, Solamnic Nights or Nerakan ones. But neutral? I hate those neutrals... you never know which side they're on... they're so neutral.

Anyways, there's my blundering for now.

Oh yeah, uh, FIREBALL!!!!!!!!!! (999,999,999)
#7
iltharanos
Sep 05, 2004 23:14:43
Why be a Steel Legionaire? Neutral got you down? Pick a side, friend, Solamnic Nights or Nerakan ones. But neutral? I hate those neutrals... you never know which side they're on... they're so neutral.

Anyways, there's my blundering for now.

Oh yeah, uh, FIREBALL!!!!!!!!!! (999,999,999)

The Legion of Steel isn't really neutral. This is reflected by the fact that all three Legion prestige classes in AoM have "any good alignment" as one of the requirements.
#8
cam_banks
Sep 05, 2004 23:43:05 Not all prestige classes need to be 5 or 10 levels. The steel legionnaire, and the dragon highlord, are two examples of 3-level Dragonlance PrCs that are really just accents to the existing character. In other words, a steel legionnaire is known more for what he does when he joins the Legion and not what he is once he has joined, if that makes sense. It's not a class that defines a character.

Cheers,
Cam
#9
dragontooth
Sep 06, 2004 11:03:16
But neutral? I hate those neutrals... you never know which side they're on... they're so neutral.

Neutral is always on the side that benifit the Neutral the most.
#10
iltharanos
Sep 06, 2004 11:48:45
Not all prestige classes need to be 5 or 10 levels. Cheers,
Cam

Yah, like the weirdly 13-level Void Disciple class ...
#11
true_blue
Sep 06, 2004 12:37:56 I've used the Knights of Steel in my campaign alot, even though one of my players hates them with a passion. They actually do oddjobs for them every once in awhile.

But yea I never saw them as exactly neutral. I like to see thema s good, but not blinded good who have to run out and automatically attack evil to get things done. My example when I was explaining it to my player was that while a Knight of Solamnia will be out attacking an evil ogre, the Knights of Steel are in the town feeding refugees and helping police the area.

I havent had anyone take any of the Legionnaire's prestige classes, but I got rid of the whole "had to have one level in the steel legionnaire" requirement for Legion Mystic and Legion Sorceror. I just dont see it as needed or really makes sense. All it does is screw them out of a spellcasting level to get....favored enemy and legion knowledge? Bah. I liked the way the Solamnics were set up, but the Legion of Steel prestige classes didnt need this also.
#12
zombiegleemax
Sep 06, 2004 13:16:23 So are the kind of like the Harpers in Dragonlance?
#13
true_blue
Sep 06, 2004 13:24:17 I personally don't see them as like the Harpers. The Harpers don't ever show a lot of force and also I think they are more disorganized. Also, they keep themselves a lot of times hidden. They show their pins when they want to be identified, but most of them don't walk around showing off they are Harpers.

The Legion of Steel are a visual presence. You see them occupy certain areas, or help out to police. They may have some operatives that are incognito or spies, but not all of their members are like this. Also, i think of them as more organized. They are more of an organization, than a knighthood I think. But if they have a presence in a city, and the city gets attacked you could definately see them go out and fight, and work together. The Harpers sometime seem like if you put 10 of them together, they would trip over themselves because they arent used to working as a big team.
#14
brimstone
Sep 07, 2004 15:59:42
Yes Amaron...just as it says in the DLCS and just about any other information dealing with the LoS

I'm going to have to disagree with this statement. Just because the DLCS is very much lacking in its information/knowledge of the LoS.

The LoS does have a lot of covert operations and operatives. However, in this day and age, they work in the open. Their open operations are just as large (if perhaps not larger) than the Knights of Solamnia and the Knights of Nereka. Probably not larger...but I'd say just as large. In the last 10 years, I think they've really grown where as the other two organizations have just "maintained." (until War of Souls where KoN grew, and now post-WoS I think the KoS will grow)
#15
ferratus
Sep 07, 2004 16:27:53 I disagree that the Legion of Steel operates openly as often as they do covertly. Covertly, they operate in pretty much every nation on Krynn. Overtly they only function only in the Missing City and in Solace.

As for the difference between the Harpers and the Legion of Steel, it is a matter of method. The Harpers work by undermining the legitimacy of the oppressors and inspire local resistance through oratory, song, and education.

The Legion of Steel, despite its mushy fluffy bunny ideology is much more hawkish in nature. These guys are warriors and commandos first and foremost. When they move into an area it is to reconoiter, select targets, train allies and deal with the problem. In fact, stuff like "pre-emptive strikes" and "regime change" is pretty much the mission of the Legion of Steel.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Sep 05, 2004 13:08:39	It seems that there are only three levels of the Legion of Steel PrC in the DLCS. Is there any information out there that extends the leveling of this class? If so, where?
#2 zombiegleemax Sep 05, 2004 13:14:50	Any and all information on this would be greatly and most appreciated.
#3 zombiegleemax Sep 05, 2004 13:23:42	Any and all information on this would be greatly and most appreciated. In the AoM sourcebook there are 3 additional PrCs that are more specialized branches of the Legion. Each requires at least 1 level of Steel Legionaire. They are; Legion Mystic 5 levels Legion Scout 5 levels Legion Sorcerer 5 levels. So if you take all three levels of Steel Legionaire and all 5 levels of the add-on PrCs your Legion of Steel character will have 8 levels of Legion Prc classes. Kind of a dorky way of doing it, but it works. Besides the Legion was never a mover or shaker organization like the KoS or KoN, therefore it has less PrC levels.
#4 zombiegleemax Sep 05, 2004 15:48:42	So then they are more covert in what they do than the other orders of Knights?
#5 zombiegleemax Sep 05, 2004 15:57:51	So then they are more covert in what they do than the other orders of Knights? Yes Amaron...just as it says in the DLCS and just about any other information dealing with the LoS
#6 theblackrobedarchmage Sep 05, 2004 21:09:42	Why be a Steel Legionaire? Neutral got you down? Pick a side, friend, Solamnic Nights or Nerakan ones. But neutral? I hate those neutrals... you never know which side they're on... they're so neutral. Anyways, there's my blundering for now. Oh yeah, uh, FIREBALL!!!!!!!!!! (999,999,999)
#7 iltharanos Sep 05, 2004 23:14:43	Why be a Steel Legionaire? Neutral got you down? Pick a side, friend, Solamnic Nights or Nerakan ones. But neutral? I hate those neutrals... you never know which side they're on... they're so neutral. Anyways, there's my blundering for now. Oh yeah, uh, FIREBALL!!!!!!!!!! (999,999,999) The Legion of Steel isn't really neutral. This is reflected by the fact that all three Legion prestige classes in AoM have "any good alignment" as one of the requirements.
#8 cam_banks Sep 05, 2004 23:43:05	Not all prestige classes need to be 5 or 10 levels. The steel legionnaire, and the dragon highlord, are two examples of 3-level Dragonlance PrCs that are really just accents to the existing character. In other words, a steel legionnaire is known more for what he does when he joins the Legion and not what he is once he has joined, if that makes sense. It's not a class that defines a character. Cheers, Cam
#9 dragontooth Sep 06, 2004 11:03:16	But neutral? I hate those neutrals... you never know which side they're on... they're so neutral. Neutral is always on the side that benifit the Neutral the most.
#10 iltharanos Sep 06, 2004 11:48:45	Not all prestige classes need to be 5 or 10 levels. Cheers, Cam Yah, like the weirdly 13-level Void Disciple class ...
#11 true_blue Sep 06, 2004 12:37:56	I've used the Knights of Steel in my campaign alot, even though one of my players hates them with a passion. They actually do oddjobs for them every once in awhile. But yea I never saw them as exactly neutral. I like to see thema s good, but not blinded good who have to run out and automatically attack evil to get things done. My example when I was explaining it to my player was that while a Knight of Solamnia will be out attacking an evil ogre, the Knights of Steel are in the town feeding refugees and helping police the area. I havent had anyone take any of the Legionnaire's prestige classes, but I got rid of the whole "had to have one level in the steel legionnaire" requirement for Legion Mystic and Legion Sorceror. I just dont see it as needed or really makes sense. All it does is screw them out of a spellcasting level to get....favored enemy and legion knowledge? Bah. I liked the way the Solamnics were set up, but the Legion of Steel prestige classes didnt need this also.
#12 zombiegleemax Sep 06, 2004 13:16:23	So are the kind of like the Harpers in Dragonlance?
#13 true_blue Sep 06, 2004 13:24:17	I personally don't see them as like the Harpers. The Harpers don't ever show a lot of force and also I think they are more disorganized. Also, they keep themselves a lot of times hidden. They show their pins when they want to be identified, but most of them don't walk around showing off they are Harpers. The Legion of Steel are a visual presence. You see them occupy certain areas, or help out to police. They may have some operatives that are incognito or spies, but not all of their members are like this. Also, i think of them as more organized. They are more of an organization, than a knighthood I think. But if they have a presence in a city, and the city gets attacked you could definately see them go out and fight, and work together. The Harpers sometime seem like if you put 10 of them together, they would trip over themselves because they arent used to working as a big team.
#14 brimstone Sep 07, 2004 15:59:42	Yes Amaron...just as it says in the DLCS and just about any other information dealing with the LoS I'm going to have to disagree with this statement. Just because the DLCS is very much lacking in its information/knowledge of the LoS. The LoS does have a lot of covert operations and operatives. However, in this day and age, they work in the open. Their open operations are just as large (if perhaps not larger) than the Knights of Solamnia and the Knights of Nereka. Probably not larger...but I'd say just as large. In the last 10 years, I think they've really grown where as the other two organizations have just "maintained." (until War of Souls where KoN grew, and now post-WoS I think the KoS will grow)
#15 ferratus Sep 07, 2004 16:27:53	I disagree that the Legion of Steel operates openly as often as they do covertly. Covertly, they operate in pretty much every nation on Krynn. Overtly they only function only in the Missing City and in Solace. As for the difference between the Harpers and the Legion of Steel, it is a matter of method. The Harpers work by undermining the legitimacy of the oppressors and inspire local resistance through oratory, song, and education. The Legion of Steel, despite its mushy fluffy bunny ideology is much more hawkish in nature. These guys are warriors and commandos first and foremost. When they move into an area it is to reconoiter, select targets, train allies and deal with the problem. In fact, stuff like "pre-emptive strikes" and "regime change" is pretty much the mission of the Legion of Steel.