The cataclysm, Krynn, and the gods

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#1

zombiegleemax

Sep 07, 2004 20:50:01
When the Cataclysm occured and the gods left, did the gods pull away from Krynn or just Ansalon, where the infraction to occured? I could have sworn I saw something about Taladas, that the gods were still active there after the cataclysm, but I can't seem to find that anywhere now. I know the cataclysm affected all of Krynn and not just Ansalon. There's nothing specific in the WotL or the DLCS and I don't happen to have a copy of DLA or ToTL to check those. Sorry if this thread has been covered already, but the Search function is disabled at the moment.
#2

zombiegleemax

Sep 07, 2004 21:05:49
You raise some good questions. What if, on Taladas, the people's faith in the God's were absolute. Obviously, they never heard of the KingPriest. From what I can tell, Taladas is still pretty isolated and very sparesly populated. Still, if the people served the Gods and not the KingPreist, should they have not been saved?

Also, does Taladas have it's own Towers of High Sorcery?
#3

zombiegleemax

Sep 07, 2004 21:17:21
You raise some good questions. What if, on Taladas, the people's faith in the God's were absolute. Obviously, they never heard of the KingPriest. From what I can tell, Taladas is still pretty isolated and very sparesly populated. Still, if the people served the Gods and not the KingPreist, should they have not been saved?

Also, does Taladas have it's own Towers of High Sorcery?

Far as I know, they don't. No Towers and no Wizards of High Sorcery. It's kind of The Land the Gods Forgot About. 99.9% of all of Krynn's known written history is about Ansalon.
#4

quentingeorge

Sep 07, 2004 21:21:11
If you read the Taladas material, you'll find Taladas was punished for a separate reason.

The High King of the Irda declared that they were so good, powerful and wise, the Irda no longer needed the gods.

Bam.

The High King of the Irda stands at the foot of Igraine's mountain, and facing
away from the temple containing the Irdanaiath, proclaims that the Irda no longer
need the gods. In response, the gods send the Cataclysm as a test of the world's claim
to goodness. Anaiatha is torn asunder, and those Irda still loyal to the gods are carried
to a new Anaiatha.
While Ansalon is pounded by a series of disastrous meteor strikes, a single
massive blow rends Taladas. The Empire of Aurim is destroyed on the eve of its
greatness and the central plain is torn asunder. True clerics of the gods are taken to
the realms of their gods as Hiteh's Night begins.


There you go.

I could have sworn I saw something about Taladas, that the gods were still active there after the cataclysm, but I can't seem to find that anywhere now.

They left, but returned much earlier. Mishakal (Mislaxa in Taladas) returned around 21 AC.


Priests of Mislaxa regain their powers on Taladas. Mislaxa, unable to bear the
torment of the innocent of Taladas who suffer for the sins of Ansalon, secretly returns
her power to those of her priests who have remained faithful during Hiteh's Night.
Because her actions are in defiance of the other gods, Mislaxa is forced to charge her
followers with the greatest secrecy. Her priests go underground, hiding their existence
from all authorities. The Mystery Cult of Mislaxa is begun.
#5

iltharanos

Sep 07, 2004 21:28:26
If you read the Taladas material, you'll find Taladas was punished for a separate reason.

The High King of the Irda declared that they were so good, powerful and wise, the Irda no longer needed the gods.

Bam.

There you go.

Technically, the whole coincidental punishment of the High King of the Irda had nothing to do with Taladas. There is no discussion of the High King of the Irda with regard to the Taladas material, all that discussion is in the Otherlands accessory, which specifically deals with lands beyond Ansalon and Taladas. The punishment of the Irda resulted in their home island Anaiatha (which is not part of Taladas) being split in twain. Taladas and the High King of the Irda have no relationship insofar as the Cataclysm is concerned.

It should also be noted that Mishakal was the only God to "return" to Taladas. Even then, she did so in secret.
#6

quentingeorge

Sep 07, 2004 21:29:44
Well, I was basing it on the Taladas material from James O'Rance's site. I don't have the actual original Taladas boxed set.

The only other thing that comes to mind is when Old Aurim was under the control of the evil Eternal King, but that ended long before the actual cataclysm.
#7

zombiegleemax

Sep 07, 2004 21:30:13
If you read the Taladas material, you'll find Taladas was punished for a separate reason.

The High King of the Irda declared that they were so good, powerful and wise, the Irda no longer needed the gods.

Bam.

There you go.

They left, but returned much earlier. Mishakal (Mixlaxa in Taladas) returned around 8 AC.

OK, I didn't know about the High King of the Irda bit, but I knew that at least Mishakal had returned prior to WoTL era like on Ansalon. So we could assume or at least theorize that every land mass on Krynn was affected in some way by the cataclysm and that the gods did pull away from Krynn, but returned in time depending upon the severity.
#8

quentingeorge

Sep 07, 2004 21:33:58
It should also be noted that Mishakal was the only God to "return" to Taladas. Even then, she did so in secret.

Actually, both Hiteh (Hiddukel) and Erestem (Takhisis) return in the 200s.
#9

iltharanos

Sep 07, 2004 21:36:27
It should also be noted that Mishakal was the only God to "return" to Taladas. Even then, she did so in secret.

Actually, both Hiteh (Hiddukel) and Erestem (Takhisis) return in the 200s.

With regard to Takhisis, she also "returns" to Ansalon in the 200s.
#10

zombiegleemax

Sep 07, 2004 21:44:02
I guess we'll have to wait for Cam to fill in the blanks here when he wakes up for his 2am feeding, Jamie when he rouses himself, or Dragonhelm when he awakens the divine might of dragonlance.com
#11

cam_banks

Sep 07, 2004 22:25:48
I guess we'll have to wait for Cam to fill in the blanks here when he wakes up for his 2am feeding, Jamie when he rouses himself, or Dragonhelm when he awakens the divine might of dragonlance.com

Who, me? Answer a Taladas question? You're out of your mind.

Cheers,
Cam
#12

zombiegleemax

Sep 07, 2004 22:28:38
Who, me? Answer a Taladas question? You're out of your mind.

Cheers,
Cam

It was worth a shot. Go back to bed.
#13

cam_banks

Sep 07, 2004 22:35:56
It was worth a shot. Go back to bed.

I'm the parent of a two-year old. You think I actually get sleep?

Talinthas or Uziel would be your best resources for answering questions about previous Taladas material. Whether that material is changed or kept intact with its eventual release as a sourcebook is still unclear, but I'm expecting Chris Pierson to do a bang-up job on the new novels either way.

Cheers,
Cam
#14

zombiegleemax

Sep 08, 2004 2:49:11
I'm the parent of a two-year old. You think I actually get sleep?

Try a 4, 3, and 2 year old.....Ill get my sleep back when Im 60...
#15

zombiegleemax

Sep 08, 2004 15:40:41
Maybe the novels being written by Chris Pierson will answer, in detail, some of these questions since he is the writer of the Cataclysm, so to speak! It would be interesting to know how the 2nd Cataclysm affected Taladas as well.
#16

zombiegleemax

Sep 08, 2004 19:31:01
Maybe the novels being written by Chris Pierson will answer, in detail, some of these questions since he is the writer of the Cataclysm, so to speak! It would be interesting to know how the 2nd Cataclysm affected Taladas as well.

It would be nice to know how each cataclysm affected the entire world of Krynn, not just Taladas and Ansalon. Generally speaking of course. I don't need to have it scripted out though.
#17

Dragonhelm

Sep 08, 2004 20:37:50
I guess we'll have to wait for Cam to fill in the blanks here when he wakes up for his 2am feeding, Jamie when he rouses himself, or Dragonhelm when he awakens the divine might of dragonlance.com

The divine might of Dragonlance.com is taking a power nap. ;)

As Cam said, Tal or Uziel are the best bets with Taladas questions. I wish James O'Rance were around as well, but I believe he's involved with Arcana Unearthed some.

Taladas was shattered as badly, if not worse, than Ansalon during the Cataclysm. Indeed, the gods did remove themselves from the continent, although Mishakal did come back early, as she took pity on the continent for all the destruction it went through.

And no, there's no Towers of High Sorcery on Taladas.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm looking forward to the Taladas Chronicles.
#18

Mortepierre

Sep 09, 2004 9:30:35
Actually, come to think of it, Paladine was the first god to return to Ansalon given Crysania had access to her spells during the Dwarfgate War
#19

cam_banks

Sep 09, 2004 9:40:20
Actually, come to think of it, Paladine was the first god to return to Ansalon given Crysania had access to her spells during the Dwarfgate War

Well, she was a special case. It's not like he returned so much as he never really left, but it's true that she was the only true cleric in the early years after the Cataclysm.

Cheers,
Cam
#20

zombiegleemax

Sep 09, 2004 11:27:38
Maybe a better way to say it is that Crysania never left Paladine.