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#1 theredrobedwizard Sep 13, 2004 21:09:35	Legion Mage The Legion of Steel has often been synonymous with the "newer" powers of the Fifth Age: Primal Sorcery and Mysticism. Now that the Gods have returned after the War of Souls, Wizards have been able to take up the banner of the Legion. The Mage's place in the Legion is that of the defender. They don't usually have the flash and explosive power of a combat focused Sorcerer, nor do they have the Divination focus that the Legion Sorcerer possesses. Their magic is that which keeps their allies safe. Most Legion Mages are Wizards, but a few Sorcerers and Bards know the requisite number of Abjurations necessary to join the ranks. Hit Die: d4 Requirements: Alignment: Any good. Base Saves: Will +6 Skills: Knowledge (Arcana) 7 Ranks, Spellcraft 7 Ranks, Knowledge (Local) 4 Ranks Feats: Spell Focus (Abjuration), Greater Spell Focus (Abjuration), and Skill Focus (Spellcraft) Spellcasting: Must be able to cast 3rd level Arcane spells. Must know 8 or more Abjuration spells. Special: Must possess either the Legion Knowledge class feature or the Arcane Focus (Abjuration) class feature. Class Skills: Concentration, Craft, Diplomacy, Decipher Script, Knowledge (all, taken seperately), Profession, and Spellcraft Skill points per level: 2 + Int Mod
#2 green_cloaked_sorcerer Sep 14, 2004 8:07:00	looks good TRRW. One thing though... is it really smart to have them advance in spell casting levels so fast? I mean I know its faster than Sorcerer's progression maybe Wizards too. Just kinda thought it seemed a little over powered given they get all your cool abilities too. I might be wrong but that was my thought. GCS
#3 zombiegleemax Sep 14, 2004 8:23:21	what is their relationship to High Sorcery?
#4 theredrobedwizard Sep 14, 2004 9:29:36	One thing though... is it really smart to have them advance in spell casting levels so fast? I mean I know its faster than Sorcerer's progression maybe Wizards too. Just kinda thought it seemed a little over powered given they get all your cool abilities too. The "+1 Level of existing Arcane Spellcasting Class" means that they gain spells as though they had also advanced a level as Wizard or Sorcerer (or Bard), not that they gain another spell level. So you've got a Wizard 5/White Robe 1/Legion Mage 3. He casts spells as though he was a 9th level Wizard. Hope that clears things up a bit. what is their relationship to High Sorcery? The Legion Mages are generally on even terms with the Wizards of High Sorcery. Many Legion Mages are actually WoHS as well, as evidenced by the "or the Arcane Focus (Abjuration) class feature"; which is from the WoHS PrC. Unless the Legion Mage hasn't taken the Test of High Sorcery, they aren't considered Renegades. They work kinda like the Solamnic Auxilliary Mage in that they work with the goals of both the Towers and the Legion in mind. Any other questions, comments, observations, or critisisms? -TRRW
#5 theblackrobedarchmage Sep 14, 2004 9:59:49	My input: At 5th level, along with Mastery of Abjuration, you might consider granting spell resistance 5, so as to show his ability to protect himself from magic.
#6 green_cloaked_sorcerer Sep 14, 2004 13:27:36	Hope that clears things up a bit. -TRRW Yes it does. Makes a lot more sense this way, thanks! My bad. GCS
#7 Nived Sep 14, 2004 13:45:54	I like it, I think if I were to impliment it in my campaign I'd haved WoHS Legionaires be few and far between... but I have to wonder thus. What would happen if a Straight White Robe, White Robed Solamnic Aux Mage, White Robed Legion Mage, Good Aligned Legion Sorcerer, a Good Aligned Academy Sorcerer, and a Good Aligned pure Sorcerer (to keep High to primal numbers even) were all in the same room.
#8 cam_banks Sep 14, 2004 13:52:13	What would happen if a Straight White Robe, White Robed Solamnic Aux Mage, White Robed Legion Mage, Good Aligned Legion Sorcerer, a Good Aligned Academy Sorcerer, and a Good Aligned pure Sorcerer (to keep High to primal numbers even) were all in the same room. An advertisment for Palantho, the bleach that makes whites whiter? Cheers, Cam
#9 zombiegleemax Sep 14, 2004 16:49:50	Why is there an alignment restriction of 'Any Good'? Shouldn't Neutrals, Red Robes and others, be a part of the Legion of Steel? That was always my understanding of the Legion in any case, that they were basically Neutral so as to avoid becoming useless when the overwhelming principals of Good got in the way. - Mike
#10 daedavias_dup Sep 14, 2004 17:20:17	Why is there an alignment restriction of 'Any Good'? Shouldn't Neutrals, Red Robes and others, be a part of the Legion of Steel? That was always my understanding of the Legion in any case, that they were basically Neutral so as to avoid becoming useless when the overwhelming principals of Good got in the way. - Mike Actually, that is not the case. All three Legion PrCs in the Age of Mortals Sourcebook have the restriction of any good as well. I believe that TRRW is keeping with that scheme, like he did with his Legion Knight PrC. My personal opinion is that the Steel Legionaire should have any good, not any non-evil anyway, but that is just me. BTW, TRRW (holy-abbreviations, Batman!), I get the impression that the Legion Mage becomes the ultimate Abjurer. Seriously, a White-robe with an Arcane Focus in Abjuration casts spells at three caster levels higher than a normal wizard. Am I the only one that finds that a little unbalancing? You might want to make it that they cast spells from a different school at minus one caster level in exchange for this.
#11 iltharanos Sep 14, 2004 17:20:52	Why is there an alignment restriction of 'Any Good'? Shouldn't Neutrals, Red Robes and others, be a part of the Legion of Steel? That was always my understanding of the Legion in any case, that they were basically Neutral so as to avoid becoming useless when the overwhelming principals of Good got in the way. - Mike The Legion isn't really a neutral organization in the same sense as the Red Robe wizards. While it does have its fair share of neutrally-aligned members, the members truly dedicated to upholding and fostering the principles of the Legion, to help the common folk of Krynn, is best espoused via a good alignment. This is consistent with the Age of Mortals Legion prestige classes we've seen (Legion Mystic, Legion Scout, Legion Sorcerer) where all such prestige classes have had an alignment requirement of good.
#12 zombiegleemax Sep 14, 2004 18:45:18	All right, fair enough. So maybe more NG than LG? Still seems weird to me, from the perspective of the novels in any case. I could swear the founder of the Legion rode a Blue dragon, of all things. I could see a Blue going Neutral, to please a friend, but outright good? Hardly... - Mike
#13 daedavias_dup Sep 14, 2004 18:49:17	All right, fair enough. So maybe more NG than LG? Still seems weird to me, from the perspective of the novels in any case. I could swear the founder of the Legion rode a Blue dragon, of all things. I could see a Blue going Neutral, to please a friend, but outright good? Hardly... - Mike You are in that they are more of a neutral good association than a lawful good, but members can still be neutral. I want to say that the current leader is LN. Also, Cobalt, the dragon of the founder, is a very special case when it comes to blue dragons.
#14 zombiegleemax Sep 15, 2004 10:35:05	Why wouldnt spell focus illusion also not be an important skill to have? If the legion is that secretive and it might also be a nice foil to the Knights of the Thorn's diviniation focus.