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#1
prophet_of_chaos
Sep 21, 2004 9:43:29 The Fiend Folio has played straight into my hands! Bwahahaaa! Oh yeah!

Ummm...does anyone else think it's weird that they were given stats? And what exactly is a "near-power"? How in the Nine Hells are they "near powers"?

AND while I'm on the subject, does anyone else think that the Slaadi and their lords show an increasing bent towards evil than true chaos?
#2
enoch_van_garret
Sep 21, 2004 10:14:03 If rank 20 dieties have stats now, there's no reason why the Slaad lords shouldn't.

How tough are they? I don't have access to Dragon Magazine where I am.
#3
zombiegleemax
Sep 21, 2004 16:18:51
AND while I'm on the subject, does anyone else think that the Slaadi and their lords show an increasing bent towards evil than true chaos?

It's all to do with the old 1E mentality: 'Law=good, chaos=evil! that's all there is to it!' [crosses arms and sulks, until someone brings him his dice to stroke and fondle]
#4
sildatorak
Sep 21, 2004 16:47:30 I do believe that that is even a pre-1e idea there, Faceless One. The only AD&D 1e book I have is the DMG, but it makes reference to Good & Evil and has magic items that are G-E alignment based (Robes of the Archmagi, Tome of Vile Darkness, and Book of Exalted Deeds, etc.).

The law vs. chaos goes back to OD&D if my int check is correct. (Ah…Knowledge: grognardery)
#5
zombiegleemax
Sep 21, 2004 17:38:16 I stand corrected.

Woohoo! I just found the whole list of smilies!
#6
gray_richardson
Sep 21, 2004 19:44:20 The law vs. chaos dichotomy goes back to Michael Moorcock's Eternal Champion series. The Elric novels were a seminal influence on Gary Gygax and other D&D originators. Moorcock wrote an eternal conflict between the Lords of Law and the Lords of Chaos. Neither good nor bad exactly the conflict was always about imposing order versus destroying order in favor of freedom and anarchy.

The chaos gods however definitely came off as pretty evil, even though doing evil was not their focus. They mostly appeared as how you would imagine demons.
#7
prophet_of_chaos
Sep 22, 2004 17:32:01 If someone killed the Slaad Lords would they get all their powers, or just the regular old experience and treasure?
#8
ripvanwormer
Sep 22, 2004 22:22:18
If someone killed the Slaad Lords would they get all their powers, or just the regular old experience and treasure?

The powers of the Lords of Chaos are unique. No one else can get them, not even them.

What they would get is UNIMAGINABLE CHAOS.
#9
zombiegleemax
Sep 23, 2004 3:04:16
The law vs. chaos dichotomy goes back to Michael Moorcock's Eternal Champion series. The Elric novels were a seminal influence on Gary Gygax and other D&D originators.

I think Poul Anderson's Three Hearts, Three Lions predates Moorcock's Eternal Champion series... And the conflict between Law and Chaos was already there. It's another main inspiration for D&D (the D&D troll comes frm there, as well as the gnome, the paladin with his mount, and a few spells).

http://www.geocities.com/rgfdfaq/sources.html

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 prophet_of_chaos Sep 21, 2004 9:43:29	The Fiend Folio has played straight into my hands! Bwahahaaa! Oh yeah! Ummm...does anyone else think it's weird that they were given stats? And what exactly is a "near-power"? How in the Nine Hells are they "near powers"? AND while I'm on the subject, does anyone else think that the Slaadi and their lords show an increasing bent towards evil than true chaos?
#2 enoch_van_garret Sep 21, 2004 10:14:03	If rank 20 dieties have stats now, there's no reason why the Slaad lords shouldn't. How tough are they? I don't have access to Dragon Magazine where I am.
#3 zombiegleemax Sep 21, 2004 16:18:51	AND while I'm on the subject, does anyone else think that the Slaadi and their lords show an increasing bent towards evil than true chaos? It's all to do with the old 1E mentality: 'Law=good, chaos=evil! that's all there is to it!' [crosses arms and sulks, until someone brings him his dice to stroke and fondle]
#4 sildatorak Sep 21, 2004 16:47:30	I do believe that that is even a pre-1e idea there, Faceless One. The only AD&D 1e book I have is the DMG, but it makes reference to Good & Evil and has magic items that are G-E alignment based (Robes of the Archmagi, Tome of Vile Darkness, and Book of Exalted Deeds, etc.). The law vs. chaos goes back to OD&D if my int check is correct. (Ah…Knowledge: grognardery)
#5 zombiegleemax Sep 21, 2004 17:38:16	I stand corrected. Woohoo! I just found the whole list of smilies!
#6 gray_richardson Sep 21, 2004 19:44:20	The law vs. chaos dichotomy goes back to Michael Moorcock's Eternal Champion series. The Elric novels were a seminal influence on Gary Gygax and other D&D originators. Moorcock wrote an eternal conflict between the Lords of Law and the Lords of Chaos. Neither good nor bad exactly the conflict was always about imposing order versus destroying order in favor of freedom and anarchy. The chaos gods however definitely came off as pretty evil, even though doing evil was not their focus. They mostly appeared as how you would imagine demons.
#7 prophet_of_chaos Sep 22, 2004 17:32:01	If someone killed the Slaad Lords would they get all their powers, or just the regular old experience and treasure?
#8 ripvanwormer Sep 22, 2004 22:22:18	If someone killed the Slaad Lords would they get all their powers, or just the regular old experience and treasure? The powers of the Lords of Chaos are unique. No one else can get them, not even them. What they would get is UNIMAGINABLE CHAOS.
#9 zombiegleemax Sep 23, 2004 3:04:16	The law vs. chaos dichotomy goes back to Michael Moorcock's Eternal Champion series. The Elric novels were a seminal influence on Gary Gygax and other D&D originators. I think Poul Anderson's Three Hearts, Three Lions predates Moorcock's Eternal Champion series... And the conflict between Law and Chaos was already there. It's another main inspiration for D&D (the D&D troll comes frm there, as well as the gnome, the paladin with his mount, and a few spells). http://www.geocities.com/rgfdfaq/sources.html