* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Two questions about proficiency gaining in 1st ed. Started at 10-15-07 02:08 AM by Senko Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=938882 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : Senko Date : 10-15-07 02:08 AM Thread Title : Two questions about proficiency gaining in 1st ed. I was just wondering about the proficiencies in 1st edition. First off where it says you get x/y as in a fighter gets 1 proficiency every 3 levels does this mean he gets 1 at 3rd level, 6th level, 9th level and so on or 1 at 4th level (1 + 3), 7th level, 10th level, 13th level and so on? Directions to a written bit of information on this would be appreciated. Secondly when dealing with multi-class characters do they get a proficency at every class to reach the required level or just the first one. For example would a fighter/mage/thief get a proficiency when thief class reached 4th level or when any class did i.e 1 proficiency for thief at 4 and then another for thief at 7 or 1 profiency for thief at 4, 1 when fighter reached level 4 and 1 when mage reached 4th level and then another 1 when thief reached 7th level and so on? Again directions to a hardcopy official ruling on this would be much appreciated. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Mojo_Rat Date : 10-15-07 05:26 PM Thread Title : Re: Two questions about proficiency gaining in 1st ed. My Dm does the proficiancies like this. in the case of fighter 1/3 you would get your first level proficiencies and then get the new ones at level 4 (so level 1 advancing 3 levels etc) So for fighters it works out to 1 4 7 10 etc. Aditionally for multiclassing you would get it when the individual classes obtained the needed levels. So a fighter/thief Starts with 6 weapon proficiencies and gets 1 more when the fighter hits 4 and another when his thief level hits... 5? Its been a while for the exact numbers. Anyhow the above is as I have always understood them to work within the rules but I have only had one 1st ed Dm for the last 20 or so years so i might be confusing his house rules . I believe they stayed the same into 2nd edition though. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : SamualT Barronsword Date : 10-15-07 05:45 PM Thread Title : Re: Two questions about proficiency gaining in 1st ed. I was just wondering about the proficiencies in 1st edition. First off where it says you get x/y as in a fighter gets 1 proficiency every 3 levels does this mean he gets 1 at 3rd level, 6th level, 9th level and so on or 1 at 4th level (1 + 3), 7th level, 10th level, 13th level and so on? Directions to a written bit of information on this would be appreciated. In first edition its the latter (although in 2nd edition its the first, but that's beside the point). In the 1E PHB, on the same page as the Weapon Proficiency Table (pg. 37), observe the heading Notes Regarding Weapon Proficiency Table:. Under this heading look at the paragraph which starts "Added Proficiency in Weapons...". Secondly when dealing with multi-class characters do they get a proficency at every class to reach the required level or just the first one. For example would a fighter/mage/thief get a proficiency when thief class reached 4th level or when any class did i.e 1 proficiency for thief at 4 and then another for thief at 7 or 1 profiency for thief at 4, 1 when fighter reached level 4 and 1 when mage reached 4th level and then another 1 when thief reached 7th level and so on? Again directions to a hardcopy official ruling on this would be much appreciated. I can't find a rule the 1st Edition PHB or DMG to cover this. The 2nd Edition PHB states a multiclass character "always uses the most favorable combat values and the best saving throws from his different classes" and that "if the optional proficiency system is used, the character starts with the largest number of proficiency slots of the different classes. Thereafter he gains a new proficiency slot at the fastest of the given rates." Since you are playing 1st Edition, which seems to be lacking any written rules specifying how its to be done, I'd say your free to come up with any way of doing it you wish. As long as you apply that rule conssistently, then that's fine, but if might recomend... The second edition rules are how most people I played with in 1st Edition rules did it anyway, even before 2nd edition came out. That is, you gave your character the most favorable benefit available from the different classes, but they only got the one (best) benefit, not all the benefits piled on top of one another. For instance a starting multi-classed fighter/mage/thief using the random determination method for starting money (pg. 35 of the PHB) would get to use the fighter's roll for starting money (5d4 x 10), since of the three classes, the fighter starts off with the most money. They wouldn't, however, get to roll for additional money for the thief or mage class. In the case of weapon proficiency distribution, what I would recomend is that you allow the fighter/mage/thief to start out with 4 weapons of proficiency (which the fighter gets and is best of the three classes) with a -2 penalty for using weapons the character is non proficient with (again, the penalty the fighter gets, which is least of the penalties the three classes gets). I would then recomend you allow the character to gain one additional weapon proficiency whenever the character reached 4th level as a fighter, or 5th level as a thief, or the 7th level as a mage, whichever occured first. I would then recomend you give one more weapon proficiency slot whenever the character reached 7th level as a fighter, or 9th level as a thief, or 13th level as a mage, whichever came first. And so on. Or, to make it simple, you could just say the character gets new weapon proficiencies under his fighter class, and only under his fighter class, since that class has the best rate of advancement. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : Senko Date : 10-15-07 11:29 PM Thread Title : Re: Two questions about proficiency gaining in 1st ed. Thanks for the help. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:22 AM.