Original Giants/Drow prefab characters...

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#1

lincoln_hills

Sep 27, 2004 16:00:04
I find myself suddenly in need of an NPC drawn from the old Against the Giants/Vault of the Drow series. The pre-fab PCs from the back of those old modules would work handily: unfortunately, I find that the only ones whose names I can remember clearly are those with unbelievably moronic monikers. Anybody want to refresh my memory on the name, class, and race of some of those early adventurers?

Fellows you can skip include Flerd Trantle, Fonkin Hoddypeak, Faffle - and, of course, the incomparable Gleep Wurp the Eyebiter.
#2

zombiegleemax

Sep 27, 2004 16:21:42
Hooray for Gleep Wurp the Eyebiter. I had forgotten all about him!
#3

keolander

Sep 27, 2004 16:55:37
From memory.....

Frush O'Suggil - 14th lvl Fighter (I remember him cause he is the only character Ive seen published with a +5 shield)

Roaky Swerked - 9th lvl Cleric IIRC

Cloyer Bulse the Magsman - 13th lvl Thief

Beek Gwenders of Croodle - 9th lvl Ranger IIRC (either that or the 5/9 F/MU)

Redmod Dumple - 9th lvl Dwarven Fighter IIRC

Thats it for Giants

For Drow

Keek Breedbate of Nithe Gnome F/TH (cant remember the lvls)

Ycore Rixie - 7th lvl Grey Elf Cleric

Fnast Dringle - Wood Elven F/MU 5/11 IIRC

Philotomy Jurament - 9th lvl Paladin

Thats all I can remember of the names. I remember that there was another 2 Elven 5/11 F/MUs plus another 7th lvl Grey Elf Fighter. Then Fonkin and Beek from Giants.
#4

zombiegleemax

Sep 27, 2004 17:13:51
Wasnt Kayen Telva in this series or was he in the Slave Lords?
#5

Elendur

Sep 27, 2004 17:29:01
I've noticed all the old pre-gens had, um, odd names. Where did these names come from? Are they anagrams or what?

From D1-2
Fonkin Hoddypeak,
Beek Gwenders,
Fnast Dringle,
Keak Breedbate,
Darg Blonke,
Ycore Rixle,
Shab Heanling,
Fage the Kexy,
Philotomy Jurament
#6

faraer

Sep 27, 2004 18:23:18
Gary mostly put them together from archaic or dialect English words, many of which are found in the thieves' cant dictionary in The Canting Crew. Far from moronic, they're clever and wonderfully distinctive; moreover, they illustrate what (a subset of) World of Greyhawk names are like.
#7

grodog

Sep 27, 2004 21:28:36
Good info on the Giants/Drow folks appears in a thread on DF! at
http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6870&sid=070ce7b96bfaf19a482748e914048101

Kayen Telva was from the A-series.
#8

Mortepierre

Sep 28, 2004 3:13:07
The most stupid pre-gen PC's name must surely be "X the Mystic" (in Dwellers of the Forbidden City" )
#9

orodruin

Sep 28, 2004 4:48:48
Wasnt Kayen Telva in this series or was he in the Slave Lords?

He was in the Slave Lords series (A1-A4, iirc). the memories. "In the Dungeons of the Slave Lords" was the first AD&D module we ever got! Anyway, the other characters were:

Karraway (a male human cleric), Phanstern (male, human illusionist), Ogre (male, human fighter), Elwita (female, dwarf fighter, featured in all her bearded glory in one of the inside covers), Eljayess (male, half-elf fighter/cleric), Freda (female, human ranger), Dread Delgath (male, human magic-user), Blodgett (male, halfling thief) and of course, Kayen Telva (male, elf fighter/magic-user)

All things considered, at 9 members, it was a pretty large party.
#10

Elendur

Sep 28, 2004 10:33:41
Gary mostly put them together from archaic or dialect English words, many of which are found in the thieves' cant dictionary in The Canting Crew. Far from moronic, they're clever and wonderfully distinctive; moreover, they illustrate what (a subset of) World of Greyhawk names are like.

That is an interesting bit of history, but they still sound silly to me. There are plenty of Greyhawk names that don't sound like they're from Star Wars : Episode II. I'll just stick with them, and leave "Beak Gwenders" and company alone.
#11

zombiegleemax

Sep 28, 2004 10:34:36
Gary mostly put them together from archaic or dialect English words, many of which are found in the thieves' cant dictionary in The Canting Crew. Far from moronic, they're clever and wonderfully distinctive; moreover, they illustrate what (a subset of) World of Greyhawk names are like.

Though you'll understand if some people's milage varies on that one...
#12

faraer

Sep 28, 2004 14:13:35
I'll understand, but I think people who reject the whole fun, punning, wahoo, Zagygian side of the World of Greyhawk are missing out on one of its best elements.
#13

lincoln_hills

Sep 28, 2004 16:00:31
Fine, I withdraw the adjective 'moronic'. But still...

But still...

Fnast Dringle? Sounds like a sports drink. ;)
#14

Elendur

Sep 28, 2004 22:20:21
To be fair, the names that are actually in the modules and the Greyhawk setting are slightly less wonky. Most would agree that Mordenkainen is a cooler sounding name than Fonkin Hoddypeak.

Actually, I've just realized I've found all the gnome names I'll need for the rest of the campaign...
#15

ivid

Sep 29, 2004 8:53:52
Gary mostly put them together from archaic or dialect English words, many of which are found in the thieves' cant dictionary in The Canting Crew. Far from moronic, they're clever and wonderfully distinctive; moreover, they illustrate what (a subset of) World of Greyhawk names are like.

I beg you pardon, but I am currently studying Old English and Old Norse, and I speak a bunch of other European languages and I can assure you that the overwhelming majority of the names used in the Greyhawk (and in the Ravenloft) setting is less more than a loose combination of vowels and consonants.
If there is a OE or ON origin, Gary's indeed hidden it well...


But indeed, what about Greyhawkian names? Why are they so...
Ravnos Dawl?
(Ever tried to pronounce that?!)
#16

bluebomber4evr

Sep 29, 2004 14:28:30
I beg you pardon, but I am currently studying Old English and Old Norse, and I speak a bunch of other European languages and I can assure you that the overwhelming majority of the names used in the Greyhawk (and in the Ravenloft) setting is less more than a loose combination of vowels and consonants.
If there is a OE or ON origin, Gary's indeed hidden it well...


But indeed, what about Greyhawkian names? Why are they so...
Ravnos Dawl?
(Ever tried to pronounce that?!)

Nobody said anything about Old English. What he said was "archaic" English words, i.e. words that haven't been used in a long time, particularly those used by thieves' guilds in England circa 1600-1900 (well into the period of Modern English). Similar in many ways to the odd slang used by Planescape characters (i.e. "berk", "bubber", "bonebox", and so on). Many professional thieves invented their own slang words as a way to "talk shop" without drawing the attention of law enforcement. A thief might have said to another thief that he "kipped that dringle's fnast" to mean he had stolen someone's money, for example (note that those aren't the exact definitions of those words), but any policeman overhearing that wouldn't have known what he was talking about unless he had known the thieves' cant himself.
#17

faraer

Sep 29, 2004 16:50:48
Right. Gygax's character names are a mix of historical English and European names, slight variants on them, soundalikes, distorted names of his friends, strange words he found in history books and unabridged dictionaries, and completely made-up names.

It still vaguely amuses me that Planescape's 'berk' made it past the Code of Ethics.
#18

ivid

Sep 30, 2004 1:21:59
Maybe...
But, if we take a common example: That Mortepierre posted earlier, "Gwenk".

Where does it it come from? Gwendoline? Wenk? (Oldsaxon, if I'm not wrong for "waving your hands"?)

Rel Mord? Rel <-- Real? Mord (german word for murder?)

Seuloise? <-- Saw Louis?!

What I mean, and I don't want to hijack the thread for a philogical discussion, some of the names sound good, some ...not but cretainly there is no common structure in the languages of Greyhawk, as far as I know.
#19

Mortepierre

Sep 30, 2004 2:39:58
I did?!?

Care to remind me in what thread?
#20

ivid

Sep 30, 2004 3:21:46
I did?!?

Care to remind me in what thread?



I am currently searching, but I can assure you that you did...

*gets headache*

Wanted to quote it earlier, but did not find it.

*Terrible Headache*



I am a bit... lets call it WITHOUT A PLAN these days...
#21

faraer

Sep 30, 2004 11:25:36
Ivid, if you're thinking of Beek Gwenders, the meanings given in The Canting Crew are 'Beek: To bask in the warmth of a fire, the sun, etc.', and 'Gwenders: Chillblanes, goose-bumps and shivering.' The name is an in-joke, as well as chosen for its sound value (Beek Gwenders is a half-elf, 'Keak' is an elf in Artifact of Evil, suggesting the 'eek' sound is elven).
What I mean, and I don't want to hijack the thread for a philogical discussion, some of the names sound good, some ...not but cretainly there is no common structure in the languages of Greyhawk, as far as I know.

True, no Greyhawk authors have done much with constructed languages, such as explicitly working out the origin of place names in Old Oeridian. Ain't that kind of secondary world. Your first point there is a subjective matter of personal sensibility, of course.
#22

max_writer

Sep 30, 2004 11:26:39
It still vaguely amuses me that Planescape's 'berk' made it past the Code of Ethics.

Little help? Why wouldn't it? I've never heard of the word outside that game.
#23

faraer

Sep 30, 2004 11:28:13
It's a current British English word, derived from the cockney rhyming slang 'Berkshire hunt'...
#24

sgthulka

Oct 04, 2004 14:03:06
Please forgive my ignorance. Were the pre-gen characters created by Gygax? (or by the other authors of the mods in question?)

My understanding from Dwellers of the Forbidden City and Against the Slavelords is that the pre-gen characters are the first characters to have playtested the mods. If that's the case, you have to blame the original Player for "X the Mystic", not David Cook.

Of course, "X the Mystic" is probably my favorite pre-gen character name next to Ogre, so tastes vary.
#25

keolander

Oct 04, 2004 19:29:04
Of course, "X the Mystic" is probably my favorite pre-gen character name next to Ogre, so tastes vary.

Heh....well...those names are no worse than 'Erac's Cousin'....the dual-classed Mage/Fighter with no name. Of course, I think Ernie was a bit miffed that his character Erac had perished of starvation on some sub-level in Castle Greyhawk.
#26

lincoln_hills

Oct 05, 2004 14:24:11
I like the name 'Erac's Cousin'... mainly because I can picture everybody who meets him thinking, Wow! I don't know who Erac is, but he must be some guy if his entire family only identifies themselves by their blood relationship to him! I bet it gets confusing at their family reunions...