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#1
zombiegleemax
Oct 20, 2004 18:29:22 Uhm... I just wanted to praise everyone who worked on this project!!!!

I just got my grubby little hands on my copy today, and I've skimmed through it, excellent job!! I love everyone who worked on this project, everyone at SP,etc...
#2
iltharanos
Oct 20, 2004 18:33:13 :bounce: :pile:

I second the praise!
#3
daedavias_dup
Oct 20, 2004 21:16:36 I third this praise. Quite possibly the best d20 I own, or have seen. I may, eventually, stop running stuff in the AoM altogether now (after I finish the KoD, SoS, PoC AoM campaign), as I remember why I loved the 4th Age so much now. Running a Post-WotL or a Pre-Chaos War campaign would be extremely fun, as long as the Chaos War never occurs. Sorry to knock on the 5th Age, but too much stuff happened all at once and only a few of them were good things (Minotaur invasion, Flip-flop of Good and Evil controlled centers like Sanction and Palanthas, other gods coming into the playing field).
#4
iltharanos
Oct 21, 2004 18:40:20 Oh yeah, kudos to whoever did the Master Craftsman knacks (e.g. Weapon of distinction/renown/fame/glory/legend), it was a nice little homage to the old SAGA weapon rules.
#5
hayabusa
Oct 21, 2004 22:08:58 Answer me this question, for a person with very limited income, is it worth the $45 price tag?
#6
iltharanos
Oct 21, 2004 22:17:14
Answer me this question, for a person with very limited income, is it worth the $45 price tag?

If you're running a Dragonlance Campaign set during the War of the Lance era -> Yes, it's worth every cent. If you're running a campaign in any other era (e.g. War of the Souls), it's still useful, but probably not worth paying $45 for someone with a very limited income.
#7
cam_banks
Oct 21, 2004 22:46:43
Oh yeah, kudos to whoever did the Master Craftsman knacks (e.g. Weapon of distinction/renown/fame/glory/legend), it was a nice little homage to the old SAGA weapon rules.

It's always good to sneak a little homage in there somewhere in a place that it makes sense to do so.

Cheers,
Cam
#8
rooks
Oct 21, 2004 23:24:22
It's always good to sneak a little homage in there somewhere in a place that it makes sense to do so.

Cheers,
Cam

Ah. Lovely effort Cam. I'm proud.

Makes me think of all the times I sang 'Oh Christmas Tree', but took out the words Christmas Tree and inserted SAGA Rules. It's a yuletide hit with the family.

"Auntie, please tell Rooks to stop singing about the crappy card-based rules-"

"SHUT UP YOU LITTLE HEATHEN! I CAN HEAR THE SIN IN YOUR WORDS!"

Etc, etc. You get the point.

I'm just not pleased that no store around here carries the book yet so that I can peruse it. Too poor to purchase it right now, but a thrifty perusal would be so lovely.
#9
brimstone
Oct 22, 2004 9:33:14
"Auntie, please tell Rooks to stop singing about the crappy card-based rules-"

"SHUT UP YOU LITTLE HEATHEN! I CAN HEAR THE SIN IN YOUR WORDS!"

#10
daedavias_dup
Oct 22, 2004 11:38:51

I had the same reaction, I was just hoping I could hide it and play along. I wish I owned some SAGA, besides DL 15th.
#11
rooks
Oct 22, 2004 11:44:12 Oh what?

WHAT?!?!

Oh, I'm the freak! Right. Sure. I'm the looney just 'cause I carol the praises of SAGA and can hear the offensive sin in other people's words when they talk of it.

Yeah! Well fine!
#12
zombiegleemax
Oct 23, 2004 0:26:20 :D :D :D :D

Wow..

you know, the Saga Mailing list actually started springing up with new life recently. There was talk about the War of Souls and SAGA conversions of SP adventures.

Weldon
#13
zombiegleemax
Oct 24, 2004 10:06:25
:D :D :D :D

Wow..

you know, the Saga Mailing list actually started springing up with new life recently. There was talk about the War of Souls and SAGA conversions of SP adventures.

Weldon

The nice thing about SAGA is that, because it's less rules-intensive, is that it's far easier to convert D&D to SAGA than the other way around. I'd be interested in hearing how someone's SAGA-based run of Key of Destiny goes, for example.

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#14
Dragonhelm
Oct 24, 2004 10:25:16
:D :D :D :D

Wow..

you know, the Saga Mailing list actually started springing up with new life recently. There was talk about the War of Souls and SAGA conversions of SP adventures.

Weldon

There's a SAGA mailing list? Wow, I wasn't aware of that.

If anyone comes up with SAGA conversions of SP's adventures or other products, we would be happy to host them on the Nexus. Our focus may be 3rd edition, but we're more than happy to host SAGA and 1e/2e rules as well.
#15
brimstone
Oct 25, 2004 13:54:53
Oh, I'm the freak! Right. Sure. I'm the looney just 'cause I carol the praises of SAGA and can hear the offensive sin in other people's words when they talk of it.

Pretty much. :D

Hey...that reminds me...last week, Trampas sent me a sweet little link to this guy's website, Steve Kenson. He has done some home brewing on SAGA rules (I think most of it is mixing the Marvel SAGA with the Dragonlance SAGA). I like what he's done with it. It's too bad I didn't have these articles eight years ago.
#16
talinthas
Oct 25, 2004 14:08:40 Steve Kenson is awesome. i met him at gencon- he's the lead designer of Mutants and Masterminds. we had a great talk about SAGA.
#17
brimstone
Oct 25, 2004 14:17:36
we had a great talk about SAGA.

He certainly seems to be a fan.

I get nostalgic about SAGA sometimes...but d20 is great! And really...with the DCs and stuff and feats...it does have some similar qualities to SAGA. I do miss the magic system though...
#18
zombiegleemax
Oct 25, 2004 15:24:15
He certainly seems to be a fan.

I get nostalgic about SAGA sometimes...but d20 is great! And really...with the DCs and stuff and feats...it does have some similar qualities to SAGA. I do miss the magic system though...

I've heard that some people have used a variant of my Sovereign Stone spell construction system (from the Codex Mysterium) to re-create the "create spells on the fly" feel of the SAGA/Fifth Age products.

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#19
brimstone
Oct 25, 2004 15:36:27
I've heard that some people have used a variant of my Sovereign Stone spell construction system (from the Codex Mysterium) to re-create the "create spells on the fly" feel of the SAGA/Fifth Age products.

Back before Sovereign Press purchased the rights for for d20 DL, that was my prefered base method for representing 5th Age magic. A little bit of manipulation would have been required...but the basic idea, I thought, was a perfect match.
#20
wolffenjugend_dup
Oct 25, 2004 18:46:02 Does WotL have the same glossy paper as ToHS? I hope so, b/c it looks really good and, IMO, makes it a much more impressive product.
#21
Dragonhelm
Oct 25, 2004 19:16:30
Does WotL have the same glossy paper as ToHS? I hope so, b/c it looks really good and, IMO, makes it a much more impressive product.

Yep! It sure does!

It puts the "hoo" in "hoo-wah!" ;)
#22
daedavias_dup
Oct 25, 2004 19:25:05
Yep! It sure does!

It puts the "hoo" in "hoo-wah!" ;)

I don't know if it is just my copy, but I noticed the gloss is a LOT less apparent in the War of the Lance. This is a good thing, IMO, as high gloss paper makes reading in any sort of light impossible. Any video game buffs that have regular Game Boy Advances know the problems with this sort of thing.

And just because I can, Kudos to all involved with the War of the Lance. This book is amazing. It has rekindled the love I had for the 4th Age so much that after the Age of Mortals campaign, I will probably cease to campaign in the 5th Age. That is, unless they fix the situation with the elves and finish off all the Overlords, bring Paladine back into godhood, etc. :D
#23
zombiegleemax
Oct 25, 2004 20:40:17
Yep! It sure does!

It puts the "hoo" in "hoo-wah!" ;)

Er, actually Trampas, the paper stock used in War of the Lance is a stock much closer to Age of Mortals. The glossy stock was used for the Bestiary and Towers.

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#24
daedavias_dup
Oct 25, 2004 20:54:31
Er, actually Trampas, the paper stock used in War of the Lance is a stock much closer to Age of Mortals. The glossy stock was used for the Bestiary and Towers.

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.

*Compares copies of all his DL books* He speaks the truth (yeah, like he really needed verification...) I guess I don't have a special, eye-strain resistant copy of the War of the Lance. Apparently they all are. And I must say, the less glossy paper makes the books much more readable.

BTW, Jamie, is there any chance that we will see and fun extra goodies for the War of the Lance sourcebook? I wish there was some extra content like the Dragonlord stats that were made for the DLCS. Maybe some new feats or something (something that would also be nice for Towers, since there isn't a single new feat in the book).
#25
wolffenjugend_dup
Oct 25, 2004 22:11:47 Mmmm, web enhancements...

*drooling*
#26
daedavias_dup
Oct 25, 2004 22:34:08
Mmmm, web enhancements...

*drooling*

You know, because of this there is going to be some wacko that claims Jamie Chambers said there was going to be bonus web enhancements for the War of the Lance...
#27
Dragonhelm
Oct 25, 2004 23:33:07
Er, actually Trampas, the paper stock used in War of the Lance is a stock much closer to Age of Mortals. The glossy stock was used for the Bestiary and Towers.

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.

Ack, you're right. Got my books confused. :embarrass

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Oct 20, 2004 18:29:22	Uhm... I just wanted to praise everyone who worked on this project!!!! I just got my grubby little hands on my copy today, and I've skimmed through it, excellent job!! I love everyone who worked on this project, everyone at SP,etc...
#2 iltharanos Oct 20, 2004 18:33:13	:bounce: :pile: I second the praise!
#3 daedavias_dup Oct 20, 2004 21:16:36	I third this praise. Quite possibly the best d20 I own, or have seen. I may, eventually, stop running stuff in the AoM altogether now (after I finish the KoD, SoS, PoC AoM campaign), as I remember why I loved the 4th Age so much now. Running a Post-WotL or a Pre-Chaos War campaign would be extremely fun, as long as the Chaos War never occurs. Sorry to knock on the 5th Age, but too much stuff happened all at once and only a few of them were good things (Minotaur invasion, Flip-flop of Good and Evil controlled centers like Sanction and Palanthas, other gods coming into the playing field).
#4 iltharanos Oct 21, 2004 18:40:20	Oh yeah, kudos to whoever did the Master Craftsman knacks (e.g. Weapon of distinction/renown/fame/glory/legend), it was a nice little homage to the old SAGA weapon rules.
#5 hayabusa Oct 21, 2004 22:08:58	Answer me this question, for a person with very limited income, is it worth the $45 price tag?
#6 iltharanos Oct 21, 2004 22:17:14	Answer me this question, for a person with very limited income, is it worth the $45 price tag? If you're running a Dragonlance Campaign set during the War of the Lance era -> Yes, it's worth every cent. If you're running a campaign in any other era (e.g. War of the Souls), it's still useful, but probably not worth paying $45 for someone with a very limited income.
#7 cam_banks Oct 21, 2004 22:46:43	Oh yeah, kudos to whoever did the Master Craftsman knacks (e.g. Weapon of distinction/renown/fame/glory/legend), it was a nice little homage to the old SAGA weapon rules. It's always good to sneak a little homage in there somewhere in a place that it makes sense to do so. Cheers, Cam
#8 rooks Oct 21, 2004 23:24:22	It's always good to sneak a little homage in there somewhere in a place that it makes sense to do so. Cheers, Cam Ah. Lovely effort Cam. I'm proud. Makes me think of all the times I sang 'Oh Christmas Tree', but took out the words Christmas Tree and inserted SAGA Rules. It's a yuletide hit with the family. "Auntie, please tell Rooks to stop singing about the crappy card-based rules-" "SHUT UP YOU LITTLE HEATHEN! I CAN HEAR THE SIN IN YOUR WORDS!" Etc, etc. You get the point. I'm just not pleased that no store around here carries the book yet so that I can peruse it. Too poor to purchase it right now, but a thrifty perusal would be so lovely.
#9 brimstone Oct 22, 2004 9:33:14	"Auntie, please tell Rooks to stop singing about the crappy card-based rules-" "SHUT UP YOU LITTLE HEATHEN! I CAN HEAR THE SIN IN YOUR WORDS!"
#10 daedavias_dup Oct 22, 2004 11:38:51	I had the same reaction, I was just hoping I could hide it and play along. I wish I owned some SAGA, besides DL 15th.
#11 rooks Oct 22, 2004 11:44:12	Oh what? WHAT?!?! Oh, I'm the freak! Right. Sure. I'm the looney just 'cause I carol the praises of SAGA and can hear the offensive sin in other people's words when they talk of it. Yeah! Well fine!
#12 zombiegleemax Oct 23, 2004 0:26:20	:D :D :D :D Wow.. you know, the Saga Mailing list actually started springing up with new life recently. There was talk about the War of Souls and SAGA conversions of SP adventures. Weldon
#13 zombiegleemax Oct 24, 2004 10:06:25	:D :D :D :D Wow.. you know, the Saga Mailing list actually started springing up with new life recently. There was talk about the War of Souls and SAGA conversions of SP adventures. Weldon The nice thing about SAGA is that, because it's less rules-intensive, is that it's far easier to convert D&D to SAGA than the other way around. I'd be interested in hearing how someone's SAGA-based run of Key of Destiny goes, for example. Jamie Chambers Sovereign Press, Inc.
#14 Dragonhelm Oct 24, 2004 10:25:16	:D :D :D :D Wow.. you know, the Saga Mailing list actually started springing up with new life recently. There was talk about the War of Souls and SAGA conversions of SP adventures. Weldon There's a SAGA mailing list? Wow, I wasn't aware of that. If anyone comes up with SAGA conversions of SP's adventures or other products, we would be happy to host them on the Nexus. Our focus may be 3rd edition, but we're more than happy to host SAGA and 1e/2e rules as well.
#15 brimstone Oct 25, 2004 13:54:53	Oh, I'm the freak! Right. Sure. I'm the looney just 'cause I carol the praises of SAGA and can hear the offensive sin in other people's words when they talk of it. Pretty much. :D Hey...that reminds me...last week, Trampas sent me a sweet little link to this guy's website, Steve Kenson. He has done some home brewing on SAGA rules (I think most of it is mixing the Marvel SAGA with the Dragonlance SAGA). I like what he's done with it. It's too bad I didn't have these articles eight years ago.
#16 talinthas Oct 25, 2004 14:08:40	Steve Kenson is awesome. i met him at gencon- he's the lead designer of Mutants and Masterminds. we had a great talk about SAGA.
#17 brimstone Oct 25, 2004 14:17:36	we had a great talk about SAGA. He certainly seems to be a fan. I get nostalgic about SAGA sometimes...but d20 is great! And really...with the DCs and stuff and feats...it does have some similar qualities to SAGA. I do miss the magic system though...
#18 zombiegleemax Oct 25, 2004 15:24:15	He certainly seems to be a fan. I get nostalgic about SAGA sometimes...but d20 is great! And really...with the DCs and stuff and feats...it does have some similar qualities to SAGA. I do miss the magic system though... I've heard that some people have used a variant of my Sovereign Stone spell construction system (from the Codex Mysterium) to re-create the "create spells on the fly" feel of the SAGA/Fifth Age products. Jamie Chambers Sovereign Press, Inc.
#19 brimstone Oct 25, 2004 15:36:27	I've heard that some people have used a variant of my Sovereign Stone spell construction system (from the Codex Mysterium) to re-create the "create spells on the fly" feel of the SAGA/Fifth Age products. Back before Sovereign Press purchased the rights for for d20 DL, that was my prefered base method for representing 5th Age magic. A little bit of manipulation would have been required...but the basic idea, I thought, was a perfect match.
#20 wolffenjugend_dup Oct 25, 2004 18:46:02	Does WotL have the same glossy paper as ToHS? I hope so, b/c it looks really good and, IMO, makes it a much more impressive product.
#21 Dragonhelm Oct 25, 2004 19:16:30	Does WotL have the same glossy paper as ToHS? I hope so, b/c it looks really good and, IMO, makes it a much more impressive product. Yep! It sure does! It puts the "hoo" in "hoo-wah!" ;)
#22 daedavias_dup Oct 25, 2004 19:25:05	Yep! It sure does! It puts the "hoo" in "hoo-wah!" ;) I don't know if it is just my copy, but I noticed the gloss is a LOT less apparent in the War of the Lance. This is a good thing, IMO, as high gloss paper makes reading in any sort of light impossible. Any video game buffs that have regular Game Boy Advances know the problems with this sort of thing. And just because I can, Kudos to all involved with the War of the Lance. This book is amazing. It has rekindled the love I had for the 4th Age so much that after the Age of Mortals campaign, I will probably cease to campaign in the 5th Age. That is, unless they fix the situation with the elves and finish off all the Overlords, bring Paladine back into godhood, etc. :D
#23 zombiegleemax Oct 25, 2004 20:40:17	Yep! It sure does! It puts the "hoo" in "hoo-wah!" ;) Er, actually Trampas, the paper stock used in War of the Lance is a stock much closer to Age of Mortals. The glossy stock was used for the Bestiary and Towers. Jamie Chambers Sovereign Press, Inc.
#24 daedavias_dup Oct 25, 2004 20:54:31	Er, actually Trampas, the paper stock used in War of the Lance is a stock much closer to Age of Mortals. The glossy stock was used for the Bestiary and Towers. Jamie Chambers Sovereign Press, Inc. Compares copies of all his DL books He speaks the truth (yeah, like he really needed verification...) I guess I don't have a special, eye-strain resistant copy of the War of the Lance. Apparently they all are. And I must say, the less glossy paper makes the books much more readable. BTW, Jamie, is there any chance that we will see and fun extra goodies for the War of the Lance sourcebook? I wish there was some extra content like the Dragonlord stats that were made for the DLCS. Maybe some new feats or something (something that would also be nice for Towers, since there isn't a single new feat in the book).
#25 wolffenjugend_dup Oct 25, 2004 22:11:47	Mmmm, web enhancements... drooling
#26 daedavias_dup Oct 25, 2004 22:34:08	Mmmm, web enhancements... drooling You know, because of this there is going to be some wacko that claims Jamie Chambers said there was going to be bonus web enhancements for the War of the Lance...
#27 Dragonhelm Oct 25, 2004 23:33:07	Er, actually Trampas, the paper stock used in War of the Lance is a stock much closer to Age of Mortals. The glossy stock was used for the Bestiary and Towers. Jamie Chambers Sovereign Press, Inc. Ack, you're right. Got my books confused. :embarrass