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#1
ivid
Nov 22, 2004 2:59:37 Greetings, inhabitants of Athas!

I found this somewhere on the web and could not believe my eyes!
Is there any truth in THIS?!

Thank you

Rafael

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From: Azrael (Calvin)
Subject: Re: Dark Sun is the Forgotten Realms
View: Complete Thread (16 articles)
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Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd
Date: 1993-08-29 19:43:39 PST

Interesting...actually, I once heard a rumor that Athas was the future of
Greyhawk, or Oerth. Oerth already has something almost identical to the Sea
of Silt (called the Sea of Dust) and, if you look at the maps of Greyhawk,
the spot between the Crystalmist Mountains and the Azure Sea looks
suspiciously like the Tyr Region of Athas, assuming that the Azure Sea
later became the Sea of Silt. Also, Oerth is the primary of its solar
system and therefore has a number of fairly large objects visible in its
sky that later could have been renamed Ral and Guthay.

Of course, the last novel of the Prism Pentad sort of makes this seem
unlikely, what with all their talk about the Blue Age and the Green Age and
the reign of the halflings. Of course, even that, the "past" of Athas,
could still have been the future of Oerth or Toril.

[...]
#2
zombiegleemax
Nov 22, 2004 5:28:11 I had that impression too. I always considered this possibility. However, there's no evidence to sustain it, and the halflings history and the Rebirth do not match with this. As I think that this will never be endorsed officially I was preparing myself to build a good theory to use it someday on the far future.
#3
nightdruid
Nov 22, 2004 6:44:37 I wouldn't put much stock in it. Honestly, I've seen claims that Athas is the future of virtually *every* major TSR world, including Oerth, Krynn, Toril, and even the birthright world, complete with claims that certain geographic features line up. Honestly, I've yet to see any such proof; ok, so the Crystalmists of GH have a diagonal direction...so what? The scale way wrong (Crystalmists go on for hundreds of miles; you could probably fit the whole Tyr region in there), and other features don't line up. Just shows that if you look hard enough, you could probably line up one or two features of the Tyr region with almost any world, even if everything else is wrong or you have to change the scale by a factor of 10 or so...
#4
greyorm
Nov 22, 2004 10:50:03
Oerth already has something almost identical to the Sea of Silt (called the Sea of Dust)

Except that it isn't "almost identical"...in fact, it isn't remotely identical. Notably, the Sea of Dust is ringed by seamless mountain chains on all sides, which the Silt of Sea isn't. But far more tellingly, the Sea of Dust is a big desert full of ruins, not a silt-filled basin.

So, I suppose, if you squint really hard, forget completely about geography, glance quickly at the map and then away, and are smoking a whole lot of crack, then Athas could be the future of Oerth.
#5
Sysane
Nov 22, 2004 11:01:21 Yeah, anyone who is worth their salt knows that Athas is the future of Mazteca, duh
#6
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Nov 22, 2004 14:24:58
Greetings, inhabitants of Athas!

I found this somewhere on the web and could not believe my eyes!
Is there any truth in THIS?!

Thank you

Rafael

Hahahaha...... Hahahahahahahaha..... Muahahahahahahaha...

Oh, sorry. Umm.... no.

(hehehehe....)
#7
Kamelion
Nov 22, 2004 14:34:54 Wel, you know, I am sure that I saw this one supplement in an old game store that I can't recall the name of that said that it was. Yeah, it did, and it proved the link between the space halflings and the dhowar from spelljammer, who were actually just rhulisti in penguin suits and gave stats for the fleet of moonjammers that orbit Athas, put there by Elimnkainen. What? Are you calling me a liar?
#8
nightdruid
Nov 22, 2004 14:42:54
#9
nytcrawlr
Nov 22, 2004 14:43:19
So, I suppose, if you squint really hard, forget completely about geography, glance quickly at the map and then away, and are smoking a whole lot of crack, then Athas could be the future of Oerth.

Heh, one of the reasons I took a break from reading the boards.

I couldn't handle the insanity anymore.

#10
nytcrawlr
Nov 22, 2004 14:44:14
Wel, you know, I am sure that I saw this one supplement in an old game store that I can't recall the name of that said that it was. Yeah, it did, and it proved the link between the space halflings and the dhowar from spelljammer, who were actually just rhulisti in penguin suits and gave stats for the fleet of moonjammers that orbit Athas, put there by Elimnkainen. What? Are you calling me a liar?

Thanks for that blast from the past Kam, heh. ;)
#11
jon_oracle_of_athas
Nov 22, 2004 15:56:14 Based off the accessory Kamelion references, I took the liberty to cancel Dregoth Ascending, and instead began writing a follow-up adventure to Black Spine, "Penguins of Flibble", which really has nothing to do with Athas, but is really neat. It's got mad penguins with anti-matter rifles... and ninjas!
#12
nightdruid
Nov 22, 2004 15:59:28
Based off the accessory Kamelion references, I took the liberty to cancel Dregoth Ascending, and instead began writing a follow-up adventure to Black Spine, "Penguins of Flibble", which really has nothing to do with Athas, but is really neat. It's got mad penguins with anti-matter rifles... and ninjas!

Does it have Giant Space Hamsters??? Its not truly an adventure unless it has lots of Giant Space Hamsters!! :D
#13
jon_oracle_of_athas
Nov 22, 2004 16:22:56 No, giant space hamsters would have Athasian connotations. We all know how the story goes in the accessory about the space halflings and their giant space hamsters in the Vampire/Dark Sun cross gaming system product I came across in that old forgotten warehouse TSR rumored to have been used in the early nineties.
#14
nightdruid
Nov 22, 2004 16:49:39
No, giant space hamsters would have Athasian connotations. We all know how the story goes in the accessory about the space halflings and their giant space hamsters in the Vampire/Dark Sun cross gaming system product I came across in that old forgotten warehouse TSR rumored to have been used in the early nineties.

Is that the same one that reveals that Rrhulisti were the love-children of tinker gnomes and kender and that sorcerer-kings were really giant space hamsters?
#15
nytcrawlr
Nov 22, 2004 16:56:06
and ninjas!

Make sure those are of the lesbian persuasion, can't have real ninja-like magic without that, mwuhahaha.
#16
zombiegleemax
Nov 23, 2004 11:17:43 This all suppose to mean that you're just kidding right?
Or, can I call 555-INSANITY ???
#17
jon_oracle_of_athas
Nov 23, 2004 14:34:11 No, we're deadly serious... as always when a thread mentions space hamsters.
#18
Pennarin
Nov 23, 2004 14:49:57 ...or dwelfs!
#19
jon_oracle_of_athas
Nov 23, 2004 14:53:55 That is SO not funny. You've gone too far, Pen. Repent!
#20
nytcrawlr
Nov 23, 2004 15:59:53 Yeah, leave the damn dwelfs out of it, or I will make them space hamster food!

#21
zombiegleemax
Nov 23, 2004 19:14:56 What the hell is a dwelf? A dwarven/elf?

:::shudder:::
#22
Pennarin
Nov 23, 2004 20:25:11 ...and the corruption spreads a little further.

/excellent
#23
nytcrawlr
Nov 23, 2004 20:42:52
What the hell is a dwelf? A dwarven/elf?

:::shudder:::

"If he could be turned he could become a powerful ally..."
#24
zombiegleemax
Nov 23, 2004 23:45:22 Its an elven dwarf. Get you facts straight.
#25
jon_oracle_of_athas
Nov 24, 2004 1:43:32
Its an elven dwarf. Get you facts straight.

:D Good one!

He hasn't even posted, yet Dawnstealer's legacy rises from the ashes. A pox upon the curse of the dead kanks!
#26
ivid
Nov 24, 2004 4:38:30

Thank you, o dwellers of the deserts!

I learned a lot here, from the benefits of consuming drugs for the design of roleplaying games, to the existance of offsprings of dwarven - elven affection.

:coolcthul

So, I'll wander the planes of Oerth again without the fear that one day it could look like... errh... *no no in some sense, as I recall from the earlier 90s - videogames, your world can really be a paradise!*

Seriously, thank you for having answered my question *unworthy of a high - level D&D addict, as I pretend to be*
#27
zombiegleemax
Nov 24, 2004 5:47:53
No, we're deadly serious... as always when a thread mentions space hamsters.

Hey! I would never guess that oracles have sense of humor....
Amazing.. all this utter absurds mentioned here and not a single lightning bolt.
#28
ivid
Nov 24, 2004 6:11:14 Although I don't know about the hamsters of Athas, in the Flanaess on Oerth there are constant rumours about a giant violet hamsters from Hepmonaland, a jungle region, that is venerated like a god and plans to conquer Aquaria, a vast continent west of Oerik.

My players searched and faced it twice, but no way, the beast was too strong...

#29
zombiegleemax
Nov 24, 2004 13:11:45
Its an elven dwarf. Get you facts straight.

Now that's pr0n I would pay to see!
#30
jon_oracle_of_athas
Nov 24, 2004 15:05:34
Hey! I would never guess that oracles have sense of humor....
Amazing.. all this utter absurds mentioned here and not a single lightning bolt.

Here, have a complimentary one! *ZAP*
#31
jon_oracle_of_athas
Dec 29, 2004 8:38:19
Based off the accessory Kamelion references, I took the liberty to cancel Dregoth Ascending, and instead began writing a follow-up adventure to Black Spine, "Penguins of Flibble", which really has nothing to do with Athas, but is really neat. It's got mad penguins with anti-matter rifles... and ninjas!

I got bored last night, so I wrote d20 Penguins of Flibble. :P
#32
zombiegleemax
Dec 29, 2004 11:55:18
I got bored last night, so I wrote d20 Penguins of Flibble. :P

Next time you get bored tell I'll send you some stuff I'm writting for DS so you can proofread it..., hope you don't get bored while reading it though.... :D
#33
jon_oracle_of_athas
Dec 29, 2004 16:10:34
Next time you get bored tell I'll send you some stuff I'm writting for DS so you can proofread it..., hope you don't get bored while reading it though....

Does it contain penguin ninjas, anti-matter rifles, chainsaw swords and the infamous "quack attack"? :P
#34
zombiegleemax
Dec 30, 2004 5:20:45
Does it contain penguin ninjas, anti-matter rifles, chainsaw swords and the infamous "quack attack"? :P

Well of course it does... but they remain hidden fearing a new Cleansing War, the only ones braves enough to show up are the Tari Meorty-whorshippers
#35
nightdruid
Dec 30, 2004 6:18:10
Does it contain penguin ninjas, anti-matter rifles, chainsaw swords and the infamous "quack attack"? :P

Heh, you do realize there is a race of penguins in SJ called Dohwar? And they do have their own, specialized form of elite nutjobs called Deathsqueelers (who ride flying pigs...). And since Dohwar are coorprate goons, they undoubtedly have access to all kinds of secret government weapons like anti-matter rifles and tin-foil hats of protection... :evillaugh
#36
jon_oracle_of_athas
Dec 30, 2004 8:00:28 Hab!

Hab = bah inverted

You're not getting a copy. :p

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 ivid Nov 22, 2004 2:59:37	Greetings, inhabitants of Athas! I found this somewhere on the web and could not believe my eyes! Is there any truth in THIS?! Thank you Rafael ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Azrael (Calvin) Subject: Re: Dark Sun is the Forgotten Realms View: Complete Thread (16 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Date: 1993-08-29 19:43:39 PST Interesting...actually, I once heard a rumor that Athas was the future of Greyhawk, or Oerth. Oerth already has something almost identical to the Sea of Silt (called the Sea of Dust) and, if you look at the maps of Greyhawk, the spot between the Crystalmist Mountains and the Azure Sea looks suspiciously like the Tyr Region of Athas, assuming that the Azure Sea later became the Sea of Silt. Also, Oerth is the primary of its solar system and therefore has a number of fairly large objects visible in its sky that later could have been renamed Ral and Guthay. Of course, the last novel of the Prism Pentad sort of makes this seem unlikely, what with all their talk about the Blue Age and the Green Age and the reign of the halflings. Of course, even that, the "past" of Athas, could still have been the future of Oerth or Toril. [...]
#2 zombiegleemax Nov 22, 2004 5:28:11	I had that impression too. I always considered this possibility. However, there's no evidence to sustain it, and the halflings history and the Rebirth do not match with this. As I think that this will never be endorsed officially I was preparing myself to build a good theory to use it someday on the far future.
#3 nightdruid Nov 22, 2004 6:44:37	I wouldn't put much stock in it. Honestly, I've seen claims that Athas is the future of virtually every major TSR world, including Oerth, Krynn, Toril, and even the birthright world, complete with claims that certain geographic features line up. Honestly, I've yet to see any such proof; ok, so the Crystalmists of GH have a diagonal direction...so what? The scale way wrong (Crystalmists go on for hundreds of miles; you could probably fit the whole Tyr region in there), and other features don't line up. Just shows that if you look hard enough, you could probably line up one or two features of the Tyr region with almost any world, even if everything else is wrong or you have to change the scale by a factor of 10 or so...
#4 greyorm Nov 22, 2004 10:50:03	Oerth already has something almost identical to the Sea of Silt (called the Sea of Dust) Except that it isn't "almost identical"...in fact, it isn't remotely identical. Notably, the Sea of Dust is ringed by seamless mountain chains on all sides, which the Silt of Sea isn't. But far more tellingly, the Sea of Dust is a big desert full of ruins, not a silt-filled basin. So, I suppose, if you squint really hard, forget completely about geography, glance quickly at the map and then away, and are smoking a whole lot of crack, then Athas could be the future of Oerth.
#5 Sysane Nov 22, 2004 11:01:21	Yeah, anyone who is worth their salt knows that Athas is the future of Mazteca, duh
#6 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Nov 22, 2004 14:24:58	Greetings, inhabitants of Athas! I found this somewhere on the web and could not believe my eyes! Is there any truth in THIS?! Thank you Rafael Hahahaha...... Hahahahahahahaha..... Muahahahahahahaha... Oh, sorry. Umm.... no. (hehehehe....)
#7 Kamelion Nov 22, 2004 14:34:54	Wel, you know, I am sure that I saw this one supplement in an old game store that I can't recall the name of that said that it was. Yeah, it did, and it proved the link between the space halflings and the dhowar from spelljammer, who were actually just rhulisti in penguin suits and gave stats for the fleet of moonjammers that orbit Athas, put there by Elimnkainen. What? Are you calling me a liar?
#8 nightdruid Nov 22, 2004 14:42:54
#9 nytcrawlr Nov 22, 2004 14:43:19	So, I suppose, if you squint really hard, forget completely about geography, glance quickly at the map and then away, and are smoking a whole lot of crack, then Athas could be the future of Oerth. Heh, one of the reasons I took a break from reading the boards. I couldn't handle the insanity anymore.
#10 nytcrawlr Nov 22, 2004 14:44:14	Wel, you know, I am sure that I saw this one supplement in an old game store that I can't recall the name of that said that it was. Yeah, it did, and it proved the link between the space halflings and the dhowar from spelljammer, who were actually just rhulisti in penguin suits and gave stats for the fleet of moonjammers that orbit Athas, put there by Elimnkainen. What? Are you calling me a liar? Thanks for that blast from the past Kam, heh. ;)
#11 jon_oracle_of_athas Nov 22, 2004 15:56:14	Based off the accessory Kamelion references, I took the liberty to cancel Dregoth Ascending, and instead began writing a follow-up adventure to Black Spine, "Penguins of Flibble", which really has nothing to do with Athas, but is really neat. It's got mad penguins with anti-matter rifles... and ninjas!
#12 nightdruid Nov 22, 2004 15:59:28	Based off the accessory Kamelion references, I took the liberty to cancel Dregoth Ascending, and instead began writing a follow-up adventure to Black Spine, "Penguins of Flibble", which really has nothing to do with Athas, but is really neat. It's got mad penguins with anti-matter rifles... and ninjas! Does it have Giant Space Hamsters??? Its not truly an adventure unless it has lots of Giant Space Hamsters!! :D
#13 jon_oracle_of_athas Nov 22, 2004 16:22:56	No, giant space hamsters would have Athasian connotations. We all know how the story goes in the accessory about the space halflings and their giant space hamsters in the Vampire/Dark Sun cross gaming system product I came across in that old forgotten warehouse TSR rumored to have been used in the early nineties.
#14 nightdruid Nov 22, 2004 16:49:39	No, giant space hamsters would have Athasian connotations. We all know how the story goes in the accessory about the space halflings and their giant space hamsters in the Vampire/Dark Sun cross gaming system product I came across in that old forgotten warehouse TSR rumored to have been used in the early nineties. Is that the same one that reveals that Rrhulisti were the love-children of tinker gnomes and kender and that sorcerer-kings were really giant space hamsters?
#15 nytcrawlr Nov 22, 2004 16:56:06	and ninjas! Make sure those are of the lesbian persuasion, can't have real ninja-like magic without that, mwuhahaha.
#16 zombiegleemax Nov 23, 2004 11:17:43	This all suppose to mean that you're just kidding right? Or, can I call 555-INSANITY ???
#17 jon_oracle_of_athas Nov 23, 2004 14:34:11	No, we're deadly serious... as always when a thread mentions space hamsters.
#18 Pennarin Nov 23, 2004 14:49:57	...or dwelfs!
#19 jon_oracle_of_athas Nov 23, 2004 14:53:55	That is SO not funny. You've gone too far, Pen. Repent!
#20 nytcrawlr Nov 23, 2004 15:59:53	Yeah, leave the damn dwelfs out of it, or I will make them space hamster food!
#21 zombiegleemax Nov 23, 2004 19:14:56	What the hell is a dwelf? A dwarven/elf? :::shudder:::
#22 Pennarin Nov 23, 2004 20:25:11	...and the corruption spreads a little further. /excellent
#23 nytcrawlr Nov 23, 2004 20:42:52	What the hell is a dwelf? A dwarven/elf? :::shudder::: "If he could be turned he could become a powerful ally..."
#24 zombiegleemax Nov 23, 2004 23:45:22	Its an elven dwarf. Get you facts straight.
#25 jon_oracle_of_athas Nov 24, 2004 1:43:32	Its an elven dwarf. Get you facts straight. :D Good one! He hasn't even posted, yet Dawnstealer's legacy rises from the ashes. A pox upon the curse of the dead kanks!
#26 ivid Nov 24, 2004 4:38:30	Thank you, o dwellers of the deserts! I learned a lot here, from the benefits of consuming drugs for the design of roleplaying games, to the existance of offsprings of dwarven - elven affection. :coolcthul So, I'll wander the planes of Oerth again without the fear that one day it could look like... errh... no no in some sense, as I recall from the earlier 90s - videogames, your world can really be a paradise! Seriously, thank you for having answered my question unworthy of a high - level D&D addict, as I pretend to be
#27 zombiegleemax Nov 24, 2004 5:47:53	No, we're deadly serious... as always when a thread mentions space hamsters. Hey! I would never guess that oracles have sense of humor.... Amazing.. all this utter absurds mentioned here and not a single lightning bolt.
#28 ivid Nov 24, 2004 6:11:14	Although I don't know about the hamsters of Athas, in the Flanaess on Oerth there are constant rumours about a giant violet hamsters from Hepmonaland, a jungle region, that is venerated like a god and plans to conquer Aquaria, a vast continent west of Oerik. My players searched and faced it twice, but no way, the beast was too strong...
#29 zombiegleemax Nov 24, 2004 13:11:45	Its an elven dwarf. Get you facts straight. Now that's pr0n I would pay to see!
#30 jon_oracle_of_athas Nov 24, 2004 15:05:34	Hey! I would never guess that oracles have sense of humor.... Amazing.. all this utter absurds mentioned here and not a single lightning bolt. Here, have a complimentary one! ZAP
#31 jon_oracle_of_athas Dec 29, 2004 8:38:19	Based off the accessory Kamelion references, I took the liberty to cancel Dregoth Ascending, and instead began writing a follow-up adventure to Black Spine, "Penguins of Flibble", which really has nothing to do with Athas, but is really neat. It's got mad penguins with anti-matter rifles... and ninjas! I got bored last night, so I wrote d20 Penguins of Flibble. :P
#32 zombiegleemax Dec 29, 2004 11:55:18	I got bored last night, so I wrote d20 Penguins of Flibble. :P Next time you get bored tell I'll send you some stuff I'm writting for DS so you can proofread it..., hope you don't get bored while reading it though.... :D
#33 jon_oracle_of_athas Dec 29, 2004 16:10:34	Next time you get bored tell I'll send you some stuff I'm writting for DS so you can proofread it..., hope you don't get bored while reading it though.... Does it contain penguin ninjas, anti-matter rifles, chainsaw swords and the infamous "quack attack"? :P
#34 zombiegleemax Dec 30, 2004 5:20:45	Does it contain penguin ninjas, anti-matter rifles, chainsaw swords and the infamous "quack attack"? :P Well of course it does... but they remain hidden fearing a new Cleansing War, the only ones braves enough to show up are the Tari Meorty-whorshippers
#35 nightdruid Dec 30, 2004 6:18:10	Does it contain penguin ninjas, anti-matter rifles, chainsaw swords and the infamous "quack attack"? :P Heh, you do realize there is a race of penguins in SJ called Dohwar? And they do have their own, specialized form of elite nutjobs called Deathsqueelers (who ride flying pigs...). And since Dohwar are coorprate goons, they undoubtedly have access to all kinds of secret government weapons like anti-matter rifles and tin-foil hats of protection... :evillaugh
#36 jon_oracle_of_athas Dec 30, 2004 8:00:28	Hab! Hab = bah inverted You're not getting a copy. :p