Minor problem with dwarves

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#1

zombiegleemax

Dec 09, 2004 20:33:46
OK, so I'm entering all the data from the DL books into my Excel Character Sheet/Generator and I run into a small problem/inconsistensy or whatever with the dwarves. Dwarves in the PHB gain a +1 to hit orcs and goblinoids. Orcs don't exsist in DL. I'm assuming they keep the +1 to hit goblinoids, but is there something that replaces orcs. Perhaps give them a +1 to hit and damage rolls vs goblinoids?

Also it looks like in the AoM Mountain dwarves darkvision increases to 90', but this is not listed in the DLCS. I haven't checked the WotL yet, I seem to have misplaced it somewhere, so I have no clue what it says. Just wondering if this is listed somewhere and if not if someone could point me in the right direction and slap me in the...well...just point me in the right direction.
#2

cam_banks

Dec 09, 2004 22:22:55
OK, so I'm entering all the data from the DL books into my Excel Character Sheet/Generator and I run into a small problem/inconsistensy or whatever with the dwarves. Dwarves in the PHB gain a +1 to hit orcs and goblinoids. Orcs don't exsist in DL. I'm assuming they keep the +1 to hit goblinoids, but is there something that replaces orcs. Perhaps give them a +1 to hit and damage rolls vs goblinoids?

They don't get anything to replace their bonus to attack rolls against orcs. It's OK, though - dwarves are already pretty tough.

Also it looks like in the AoM Mountain dwarves darkvision increases to 90', but this is not listed in the DLCS. I haven't checked the WotL yet, I seem to have misplaced it somewhere, so I have no clue what it says. Just wondering if this is listed somewhere and if not if someone could point me in the right direction and slap me in the...well...just point me in the right direction.

They don't - but Tarn does, as his mother is a dark dwarf.

Cheers,
Cam
#3

ferratus

Dec 09, 2004 22:40:11
I see absolutely no reason why Dwarves couldn't get the +1 vs. goblins (or perhaps Draconians) since they fufill exactly the same role in the campaign setting.
#4

Dragonhelm

Dec 09, 2004 23:46:20
Replace "orc" with "ogre" and you're good to go.
#5

cam_banks

Dec 10, 2004 0:06:15
Replace "orc" with "ogre" and you're good to go.

Of course, they already get a bonus in combat with ogres, in the form of a +4 dodge bonus to AC, and the -1 AC penalty ogres get for being Large sized to begin with.

I would allow the dwarf to choose a clan or family enmity beyond goblinoids at 1st level. They could choose from the list rangers use for favored enemies, and gain a +1 bonus on attack rolls against that creature of enmity. One clan might be in a constant struggle with minotaurs, another with aberrations. This would introduce a fair amount of variety, but you'd have to watch it for potential abuse.

Cheers,
Cam
#6

zombiegleemax

Dec 10, 2004 8:46:39
They don't get anything to replace their bonus to attack rolls against orcs. It's OK, though - dwarves are already pretty tough.



They don't - but Tarn does, as his mother is a dark dwarf.

Cheers,
Cam

OK it makes sense now why he's got 90' darvision. I was getting a bit confused. I'll just stick with what the A0M and WotL have for Dwarven Traits; just a +1 vs goblinoids. I was thinking I was missing something. I've only been up for the last 96 hours. Thanks!
#7

zombiegleemax

Dec 10, 2004 8:54:34
On a similar note, do noble draconians recieve darkvision 60' as do their evil counterparts and what are their base racial save and attack bonuses?

Nevermind the darkvision. I found it in the Noble Draconian Traits section under Dragon Traits.
#8

Sysane

Dec 10, 2004 9:06:50
The monster entry for Kapaks tags a +8 move silently bonus to them which they don't receive in the PC race write up in DLCS.

Thought I'd add that as well.
#9

Dragonhelm

Dec 10, 2004 9:18:54
Of course, they already get a bonus in combat with ogres, in the form of a +4 dodge bonus to AC, and the -1 AC penalty ogres get for being Large sized to begin with.

Whoops, forgot about that.

Serves me right for not cracking open the ol' PHB. ;)
#10

zombiegleemax

Dec 10, 2004 9:24:58
Is this in the errata? If it is could someone send me a link to it. I tried finding it myself, but in my vegetative state I was unable to.
#11

valharic

Dec 10, 2004 11:34:15
I see absolutely no reason why Dwarves couldn't get the +1 vs. goblins (or perhaps Draconians) since they fufill exactly the same role in the campaign setting.

Wouldn't work during WotL or Pre-WotL since the Draconinans weren't "out there" as common enemies of the dwarves. The bonuses are suppose to represent age old rivalries and experience between the 2 races. Possibly in the AoM.

Even though they get the bonuses against ogres already, I'd still give them the +1 against them.
#12

zombiegleemax

Dec 10, 2004 11:37:10
Hobgoblins fit the bill as far as I'm concerned when it comes down to a replacement for orcs. Of course they're still goblinoids so the bonus counts either way.

On another note if anyone wants to use draconians in any campaign based in the later part of the AoM they had better polish off some of Don Perrins work before using them like the lost sods turned out after the WotL. Since intrduced as a player character race there still is a lot of work that needs to be refined.