The two biggest changes I know of are the elevation of Vecna to a deity and giving St. Cuthbert the Retribution title.
The section on "core" deities was useful but IMHO they made some rather poor choices when it comes to the attribution of the new domains. For instance, why would Vecna give access to Madness?
Moreover, I seriously dislike the spin WotC has put on St-Cuthbert and Wee Jas in 3E. The former was never about revenge, and the latter - back in 2E - couldn't stand undeads. Heck! Her clergy had to beg her favor just to be authorized to Command Undead!
The "Other deities" section can best be summarized as a quick update of some GH deities to 3E with really basic details. The most obvious blunder in that section is the fact that Zuoken was supposed to grant the Celerity domain while the ExpPsiH had clearly established that it was to Mind (which IMHO makes a lot more sense!). WotC's authors should really start to communicate to avoid this kind of mistake.
The rest of the book was mostly an updated version of DotF (and not a very good one at that).
.. the elevation of Vecna to a deity..
Vecna was already a deity back in 2E. A demi-god in Vecna Lives! and a lesser god by the end of Die Vecna Die!
The section on "core" deities was useful but IMHO they made some rather poor choices when it comes to the attribution of the new domains. For instance, why would Vecna give access to Madness?
Moreover, I seriously dislike the spin WotC has put on St-Cuthbert and Wee Jas in 3E. The former was never about revenge, and the latter - back in 2E - couldn't stand undeads. Heck! Her clergy had to beg her favor just to be authorized to Command Undead!
The "Other deities" section can best be summarized as a quick update of some GH deities to 3E with really basic details. The most obvious blunder in that section is the fact that Zuoken was supposed to grant the Celerity domain while the ExpPsiH had clearly established that it was to Mind (which IMHO makes a lot more sense!). WotC's authors should really start to communicate to avoid this kind of mistake.
Yes, I saw some odd things in there too. Why would Trithereon be given the Summoning domain? In fact, he's the only god to have the Summoning domain!
And there's definitely a screw-up with Hruggek. Knowledge, Law and Magic? Hello! Those are definitely not the correct domains. Looks like three domains were cut and pasted from the illithid deity's list. His correct domains should include Chaos and Evil. Probably War, too. And I think I'd probably give him Trickery.
Wait, did you say there's errata out for the Complete Divine already? Anybody got a link? Does it offer anything about Domain changes?
Yes, I saw some odd things in there too. Why would Trithereon be given the Summoning domain? In fact, he's the only god to have the Summoning domain!
Ah, that's because he was always nicknamed the Summoner. Fact is, his priests used to be able to cast the Summon Monster spell back in 2E. So, in this case, it makes sense.
Wait, did you say there's errata out for the Complete Divine already? Anybody got a link? Does it offer anything about Domain changes?
Sure, here it is:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20040125a
Alas, nothing about Domain changes
Ah, that's because he was always nicknamed the Summoner. Fact is, his priests used to be able to cast the Summon Monster spell back in 2E. So, in this case, it makes sense.
Huh.
I'm a 1E boy. Who in 2E decided Trithereon was called the Summoner? Sounds crazy and backwards to me--Trithereon was all about the freedom and liberty stuff, how does that lead to subjugating other creatures with summoning spells? "To preserve freedom, fight these innocent wandering creatures I have magically forced to come do my bidding!"
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20040125a
Thanks.
If you're a PC and you want a deity that's what you get to choose from, as long as the god isn't evil. For some reason, Wastri is disallowed because he is not politically correct, but other than that I don't recall any other restrictions.
Now I know all home games don't follow WotC to the letter or use all of their material, so each campaign might be different, but there it is if you want to use it.
I'm a 1E boy. Who in 2E decided Trithereon was called the Summoner? Sounds crazy and backwards to me--Trithereon was all about the freedom and liberty stuff, how does that lead to subjugating other creatures with summoning spells? "To preserve freedom, fight these innocent wandering creatures I have magically forced to come do my bidding!"
Actually, he was already nicknamed like that back in the old 1E World of Greyhawk boxed set. In it, he was presented as "Trithereon the Summoner", with his three faithful pets (Nemoud, Harrus, and Ca'rolk). So it's not like somebody suddenly decided to change him in 2E. As far as I can tell, he has always been "the Summoner"...
Any lack of "continuity" in this regard is de minimis, as prior depictions of WeeJas were obviously flawed and just as obviously reflected an "old boys club" propagandizing for Boccob.
As well, her apotheosis toward becoming Greyhawk's "Kali" continues in the Complete Divine.
GVD
Any lack of "continuity" in this regard is de minimis, as prior depictions of WeeJas were obviously flawed and just as obviously reflected an "old boys club" propagandizing for Boccob.
As well, her apotheosis toward becoming Greyhawk's "Kali" continues in the Complete Divine.
GVD
But isn't it a bit.. ah.. weird? I mean, even in the SB accessory, Wee Jas was presented as the goddess of magic first and foremost which gained Death in her portfolio only after the Twin Cataclysms. Previous articles depicted her as being concerned mainly by the peaceful rest of the Suel people in the afterlife and as strongly opposed to undead creation. And now, we seem to be heading in a new direction, with Wee Jas becoming the goddess of necromancy who isn't shy about provoking death if it doesn't come naturally.
It's quite a shift of focus.
That said, maybe the fact that her greatest body of worshippers (the SB) are evil is starting to influence her (a bit like the Pale seems to be shifting Pholtus from LG to LN).
Intriguing but disconcerting.
For those of us who play Living Greyhawk, this is the latest list we have to go by: http://www.living-greyhawk.com/Downloads/Living%20Greyhawk%20Deitires%201.3.pdf .
That's still the 2003 version. When will they update it to include the new domains from Complete Divine?
I've also seen Sean K. Reynolds' expanded domain list version.
http://www.seankreynolds.com/rpgfiles/we/greyhawkdeities.html
It includes domains from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Sourcebook, which I can obviously see not being allowed in the Living Greyhawk setting.
Actually, he was already nicknamed like that back in the old 1E World of Greyhawk boxed set. In it, he was presented as "Trithereon the Summoner", with his three faithful pets (Nemoud, Harrus, and Ca'rolk). So it's not like somebody suddenly decided to change him in 2E. As far as I can tell, he has always been "the Summoner"...
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I knew that. :embarrass This is what happens when I post while watching TV! [Heh, which I'm doing right now, too.])My question was supposed to be, "Who in 2E decided Trithereon's priests could summon monsters just because Trithereon himself was called the Summoner?"
Yes, he was called the Summoner, but only because he was known to summon his three companions to battle, not because his clerics could summon giant rats! I still think that extension is just plain silly.