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#1 zombiegleemax Mar 19, 2005 16:50:01	Dragonlance borrowed from Star Wars. Raistlin is the master and Dalamar the apprentice. Where have I heard that before? And the eyes look similar...Look at Anakins eyes in episode 3 and darth maul's eyes in episode 1. The evil has taken over.... It is also safe to say that Raistlin was evil until he sacraficed himself for other people to live, ala darth vader...
#2 cam_banks Mar 19, 2005 17:04:13	Of course, the fact that Raistlin predates the Star Wars prequels by fifteen years shouldn't throw off your theory. Cheers, Cam
#3 ranger_reg Mar 19, 2005 17:50:36	Don't recall Maul having "hourglass" pupils for eyes.
#4 zombiegleemax Mar 19, 2005 19:42:13	Of course, the fact that Raistlin predates the Star Wars prequels by fifteen years shouldn't throw off your theory. Cheers, Cam They had the concept master and apprentice in episode 4, 5, and 6 That was before Dragonlance was ever thought of. The Sith are like Mages/Wizrds
#5 Dragonhelm Mar 19, 2005 19:58:01	They had the concept master and apprentice in episode 4, 5, and 6 That was before Dragonlance was ever thought of. The concept of master and apprentice has existed for centuries. Neither Dragonlance nor Star Wars invented it by any means.
#6 dragontooth Mar 21, 2005 0:06:52	They had the concept master and apprentice in episode 4, 5, and 6 That was before Dragonlance was ever thought of. The Sith are like Mages/Wizrds Dude you never heard of a Master Smith taking on an apprentice? Or a Master Electrictinist(spelling) taking on an Apprentice? Master and apprentice has been around for ages. Star Wars didn't invent that.
#7 valharic Mar 21, 2005 9:20:38	In most adventure/epic stories you will see many similarities. The literary devices used in these stories are very common. The fall of a hero, only to redeem oneself. The rite of passage story. The betrayal, and many others. Heck, DL has been compared to Lord of The Rings since it's incarnation. Star Wars borrows alot from religion and mythology as does, obviously, D&D. Read Issac Asimov's Foundation trilogy. Elements of the Star Wars story is very similar to that book. It's easy to say the A is similar to B because of, but not only limited, to those reasons.
#8 kalanth Mar 21, 2005 12:15:31	Dragonlance borrowed from Star Wars. Raistlin is the master and Dalamar the apprentice. Where have I heard that before? And the eyes look similar...Look at Anakins eyes in episode 3 and darth maul's eyes in episode 1. The evil has taken over.... It is also safe to say that Raistlin was evil until he sacraficed himself for other people to live, ala darth vader... Master and apprentice? Where have I heard that before? Oh, yeah, thats right, craftsmen, blacksmiths, printers, seemstress, and almost any other tradesman from the past all the way to present day. No, just because Raistlin taught Dalamar the ways of the Black Robes does not mean that it was inspired by Star Wars. It was just another take on an age old tradition that has been going on for thousands of years.
#9 zombiegleemax Mar 21, 2005 12:19:58	Joseph Cambell would argue (quite effectivly I might add) that almost all stories like these follow the same patterns cross-culturally and have since written history (see Illiad, Oddessy, Beowolf). Since Star Wars is this era's epitome, he goes through and illustates what he means. The book is painfully long so you might look him up on the net if you're interested.
#10 zombiegleemax Mar 21, 2005 12:53:05	Dragonlance borrowed from Star Wars. Raistlin is the master and Dalamar the apprentice. Where have I heard that before? And the eyes look similar...Look at Anakins eyes in episode 3 and darth maul's eyes in episode 1. The evil has taken over.... It is also safe to say that Raistlin was evil until he sacraficed himself for other people to live, ala darth vader... Someone this man please. Next someone will be claiming Eberron borrowed from Silence of the Lambs(i.e., The Warforged look just like Hannibal the cannibal.). ~~~
#11 Matthew_L._Martin Mar 21, 2005 17:54:04	Soth remains a Darth Vader homage/ripoff, though. Matthew L. Martin P. S. Hayden Christiansen for Raistlin! P. P. S. Sidious was more clever, cunning and manipulative than Raistlin or Takhisis ever dreamed of being.
#12 dragontooth Mar 22, 2005 12:48:19	Soth remains a Darth Vader homage/ripoff, though. Matthew L. Martin P. S. Hayden Christiansen for Raistlin! P. P. S. Sidious was more clever, cunning and manipulative than Raistlin or Takhisis ever dreamed of being. Soth and Vader are 2 very different villians. So you can't say Soth is a ripoff of Vader. The only thing you can say Soth is a ripoff of Vader is because everybody imagins Soth voice being done by James Earl Jones Sidious aka: Palpatine is one of the greatest villian ever created in fiction. The guy took over a whole Galaxy that is pretty impresive.
#13 zombiegleemax Mar 22, 2005 18:21:53	Sidious aka: Palpatine is one of the greatest villian ever created in fiction. The guy took over a whole Galaxy that is pretty impresive. Too bad Q can snap him out of existence
#14 zombiegleemax Mar 23, 2005 4:43:11
#15 dragontooth Mar 23, 2005 10:35:26	Too bad Q can snap him out of existence Are you talking Q from the Star Trek NG series? If so thats two different types of science fiction. And Palpatine is so strong in the force I don't think Q could be able to do that.
#16 frostdawn Mar 23, 2005 17:12:05	Holy crap, this train of thought has derailed something fierce. Call in the hazmat suits and the evening news. Oye :whatsthis
#17 jonesy Mar 24, 2005 7:04:34	Too bad Q can snap him out of existence Oh yeah? Well take that: :D
#18 nightdruid Mar 24, 2005 7:16:05	Oh yeah? Well take that: :D Everybody was kung-fu fight'n, their fists were fast as lighting...
#19 zombiegleemax Mar 24, 2005 8:30:36	Are you talking Q from the Star Trek NG series? If so thats two different types of science fiction. And Palpatine is so strong in the force I don't think Q could be able to do that. Of course he means Q from the James Bond movies, and I would have to agree! *cough* Dragonlance was certainly INFLUENCED by Star Wars, and especially Lord of the Rings. (If you look at Chronicles, there are lots of parallels.) But the Master/Apprentice concept goes back a bit further. I can see where people make the comparison to Vader and Soth. (Both are former knights who turned to evil and ended up in states of unlife, imprisoned in their armor.) But their stories are quite unique and set them apart from one another. On a personal note, I'm unsatisfied with the prequels explaining the origins of BOTH characters. This is a game forum, though. I'm sure soon we'll get the inevitable Soth vs. Vader speculation. I say speculate no longer! They are both available with d20 System stats. If you want to know, go for it and roll the dice. Jamie Chambers Sovereign Press, Inc.
#20 raistlinrox Mar 24, 2005 21:39:41	Good idea!!! But to make it fair, you would have to have them using the same systems (vitality/wound pts) but since Soth doesn't have a Con, how many wound points would he have?
#21 draggah Mar 25, 2005 0:06:54	What do lightsabers count as for purposes of damage resistance?!!?
#22 baron_the_curse Mar 25, 2005 22:21:27	I've been away a while so I'm surprise this thread has not been shut down yet. What did I missed?
#23 zombiegleemax Mar 25, 2005 23:08:06	To get back on topic, yes dragonlance borrowed from star wars some. It's inevitable. But star wars was actually based off an Akira Kurosawa movie (think about the similarities between jedi and samurai). All literature is based on other literature. No work is truly original. But as fair as vader and soth, I'd have to go witht he death knight. I mean it took a god to kill him. Vader was killed by force lightning.
#24 zombiegleemax Mar 28, 2005 11:50:22	Vader was killed by force lightning. No... Vader died when the death star exploded on him after he took off the helmet that kept him alive. Remember? "Let me look upon you with my own eyes".
#25 zombiegleemax Mar 28, 2005 16:03:57	True, but if not for taking the force lightning, Vader would have been able to leave the ship. It like a building catching on fire, but somebody shoots you so you cant move, and dying in the fire. You could say the fire killed you, but if it werent for the bullet you would have made it out alive.
#26 orodruin Mar 28, 2005 18:18:57	True, but if not for taking the force lightning, Vader would have been able to leave the ship. It like a building catching on fire, but somebody shoots you so you cant move, and dying in the fire. You could say the fire killed you, but if it werent for the bullet you would have made it out alive. Iirc, it was the force lightning that did it. It destroyed his life support system. When he asks Luke to help him take his helmet off, Luke responds with, "But you'll die", to which he replies, "Nothing can stop that now", so he was already dying before the helmet went off. And to stay on topic, Dragonlance didn't copy Star Wars. :P
#27 wizo_sith Mar 29, 2005 6:45:10	If everyone could in the future try and remember the [u]WotC Onle Code of Conduct[/u]'s prohibitions against spamming, that'd be great. This thread will be locked. Do not restart it.