* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Can a kensai... Started at 01-02-08 06:30 PM by Vrykolas2k Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=973252 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : Vrykolas2k Date : 01-02-08 06:30 PM Thread Title : Can a kensai... Use his "spare weapon slot" to specialize in his focused weapon? I've always said yes, but... never was sure if that was canon or nae, it's a scoche ambiguous. Also, being a fighter sub-class, could say a half-elf multi-class as a kensai/ magic-user? Again, I've always said yes, but that one isn't entirely clear either... Input is appreciated. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Handsome Stranger Date : 01-02-08 09:27 PM Thread Title : Re: Can a kensai... I've always taken a "strict constructionist" interpretation and said "no" and "no" figuring that if EGG meant "any fighter sub-class" he would have said so. Of course, I'm also pretty sure that EGG would say that as long as everybody is having fun, you're doing it right. Even if you are a heathen. :P -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : cjerowe Date : 01-08-08 11:11 AM Thread Title : Re: Can a kensai... While reading this, keep in mind this is only my interpretation of what the book says. Whether or not it is helpful in any way is up to you and your campaign needs. While the Kensai is a subclass of fighter, I would have to say no to the multiclass option. The multiclass options list specifically which subclasses can or cannot be paired and with what other classes. The half-elf specifically distinguishes between a fighter/cleric and a Ranger/cleric for example. Notice that a half-elf can be a fighter/magic-user but not a ranger/magic-user and a cleric/magic-user but not a druid/magic-user (at least in the 1st ed. PHB). As an explanation to this rule I would point out that the specialized training required by some of the subclasses keep them from multiclassing with other classes which require rigorous training (i.e. a magic-user). Just my opinion tho... As for the weapon specialization, an argument can be made either way. On the one hand, the Unearthed Arcana never stated that all fighter subclasses could specialize but all of the subclasses in the UA could. Each class stated specifically in their class description that they could specialize. Since the Kensai doesn't say that they can specialize, some might argue that they cannot while others would point to the fact that all previously created fighter 'sub-classes' could and allow it. It's a toss-up. IMO tho I would probably allow it since taking proficiency in another weapon is not exactly in a kensai's best interest (considering the restrictions or penalties associated with the use of a different weapon). Hope that helps... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : Vrykolas2k Date : 01-08-08 12:31 PM Thread Title : Re: Can a kensai... While reading this, keep in mind this is only my interpretation of what the book says. Whether or not it is helpful in any way is up to you and your campaign needs. While the Kensai is a subclass of fighter, I would have to say no to the multiclass option. The multiclass options list specifically which subclasses can or cannot be paired and with what other classes. The half-elf specifically distinguishes between a fighter/cleric and a Ranger/cleric for example. Notice that a half-elf can be a fighter/magic-user but not a ranger/magic-user and a cleric/magic-user but not a druid/magic-user (at least in the 1st ed. PHB). As an explanation to this rule I would point out that the specialized training required by some of the subclasses keep them from multiclassing with other classes which require rigorous training (i.e. a magic-user). Just my opinion tho... As for the weapon specialization, an argument can be made either way. On the one hand, the Unearthed Arcana never stated that all fighter subclasses could specialize but all of the subclasses in the UA could. Each class stated specifically in their class description that they could specialize. Since the Kensai doesn't say that they can specialize, some might argue that they cannot while others would point to the fact that all previously created fighter 'sub-classes' could and allow it. It's a toss-up. IMO tho I would probably allow it since taking proficiency in another weapon is not exactly in a kensai's best interest (considering the restrictions or penalties associated with the use of a different weapon). Hope that helps... Point the first, I see why it would be as you state. Point the second, that's pretty much why I allow them to specialize. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:22 AM.