(Personally, I've been trying to look for the Mariner class that was mentioned in the WotL book, hoping I wouldn't have to pick up AoM.)
So, if anyone could give me a listing, I'd be forever grateful.
Compiled Class List
Cheers,
Cam
I mean, if you were kind enough to reprint feats from AoM into WotL, why didn't you reprint the mariner class also?
No harsh criticism intended, but ... wouldn't it be better to put ALL base classes in the DLCS?
It would also be a good place to cut the deadwood. The Inquisitor prestige class comes to mind, as perhaps does the noble base class.
Definately we can get rid of dragonmetal, celestial ore and ironwood statistics. Dragonmetal can simply be mithril (and called mithril), we've decided dragonlance has an underdark so we don't need adamantium to come from the sky anymore, and ironwood (to be properly represented) should have the statistics of wood being as hard as metal, rather than simply being lighter wood.
Anywho, I liked some of the little changes. We've seen star metal in the books before, but not adamantine. Same with ironwood.
PS: I like the Inquisitor PrC. Yes, they're not Krynn specific, but hey, why put only classes that would work there and not anywhere else? ANd anyway, inquisitors are indeed mentioned in the books, quite often. I do wish that there would be some more published NPCs with Inquisitor levels (I think there's been one, maybe), same with Dragon Rider (you'd think this would be more common, but it's really not), Master Ambassador, and Righteous Zealot.
PS: I like the Inquisitor PrC. Yes, they're not Krynn specific, but hey, why put only classes that would work there and not anywhere else? ANd anyway, inquisitors are indeed mentioned in the books, quite often. I do wish that there would be some more published NPCs with Inquisitor levels (I think there's been one, maybe), same with Dragon Rider (you'd think this would be more common, but it's really not), Master Ambassador, and Righteous Zealot.
I make use of the DLCS prestige classes when I can. Spectre of Sorrows features major or prominent NPCs with levels in master ambassador and righteous zealot, to name a couple. Dragon rider suffers from the problem of balanced dragon cohorts, which is part of why most dragon-riding characters in the saga don't have levels in the class.
Cheers,
Cam
Any chance we might see the Mariner class reprinted in a future minotaur-themed book? Please, I'm trying to avoid purchasing AoM just for that.
You could pick up AoM for all the other things in it, too, you know!
Cheers,
Cam
Any chance we might see the Mariner class reprinted in a future minotaur-themed book? Please, I'm trying to avoid purchasing AoM just for that.
The closest thing to a minotaur-themed book will be the upcoming races handbook, which I believe is now scheduled for 2006. I really doubt the mariner would be reprinted for that.
We had talked some on the boards about the idea of a player's companion book which would take some of the additions to the setting beyond the DLCS (i.e. mariner and master base classes, updating the timeline, new player options, feat compilation, etc.) and put them in one book. Basically, a compilation of the basic gaming materials plus new info for the setting as an update, since the setting changes so much. I'm not sure if Sov. Press would go for that or not.
REG, I think there's a lot more in Age of Mortals that you would find useful than what you think. Half-kender work in any era, and the Tarmak are good for Chaos War era campaigns.
The Academy Sorcerer could be adapted as a PrC for the WoHS, perhaps as an elementalist style wizard or as a wizard trained at a wizard academy that has some different style of instruction. Citadel Mystic makes for a good specialty cleric of Mishakal. Nomad Shaman is a good choice for druids. Rogue knight works as-is in any era. The Solamnic Auxiliary Mage would work in the 4th age, probably after the War of the Lance. You could just say that the auxiliary was established earlier, or call the character an ally and not worry about the Solamnic Auxiliary membership. Spellfilch would work for clerics of roguish gods, or perhaps for a different style of WoHS. War Mage works in any era.
Really, only the kender nightstalker and Legion PrCs wouldn't work in a 4th age campaign right off, but I bet if someone were creative enough, they could find a way.
Plus there's spells, magic items (Device of Time Journeying!), and lots of good geographical info.
I wouldn't say the book is necessary for a 4th age fan, but it can be helpful.
You know, an article on using AoM in the 4th age would make for an interesting addition to the Nexus....
Citadel Mystic makes for a good specialty cleric of Mishakal.
Or any cleric of the Good pantheon, actually. The main draw though would be the bonus domain, which would make a cleric a little too powerful. The class is written for mystics, after all, and they only have one domain to start with.
Cheers,
Cam
You could pick up AoM for all the other things in it, too, you know!
Like?
Mind you, I left DL when it converted to SAGA. That's why I only cared for the 4th Age/War of the Lance period.
Like?
See my post above.
Mind you, I left DL when it converted to SAGA. That's why I only cared for the 4th Age/War of the Lance period.
And that's fine. There's plenty of DL fans who prefer the WotL era.
The best advice I can offer you is to take a good, hard look at Age of Mortals. Think about how you can adapt it to the War of the Lance period. If you can find worth in the book in that context, great! If not, then don't worry about it.
The best advice I can offer you is to take a good, hard look at Age of Mortals. Think about how you can adapt it to the War of the Lance period. If you can find worth in the book in that context, great! If not, then don't worry about it.
Sighs. It's Oriental Adventures all over again.
I'll mull over the decision to put down $40 US and hope it is worth paying for the useful material in that book.
Just promise me, the next time you do a new DLCS, put ALL of your core classes in there. I don't truly care where you put Age-specific prestige classes, but I want ALL your core classes specific to Dragonlance that are useful in almost all time periods (mainly 3rd, 4th, & 5th Ages) compiled into one main product. After all, you cannot really convince me the Mariner core class is specifically tied only to the 5th Age, and no Mariner existed before then (the Minotaur Marauder PrCs in WotL would contradict you).
Sighs. It's Oriental Adventures all over again.
I'll mull over the decision to put down $40 US and hope it is worth paying for the useful material in that book.
Just promise me, the next time you do a new DLCS, put ALL of your core classes in there. I don't truly care where you put Age-specific prestige classes, but I want ALL your core classes specific to Dragonlance that are useful in almost all time periods (mainly 3rd, 4th, & 5th Ages) compiled into one main product. After all, you cannot really convince me the Mariner core class is specifically tied only to the 5th Age, and no Mariner existed before then (the Minotaur Marauder PrCs in WotL would contradict you).
I remember how mad you were about that (I used to frequent the OA forum quite a bit)...
Anyway, I can see exactly where you are coming from. I would much rather have had the mariner in the DLCS, or even not exist at all (it really just is a rogue with a scant few abilities pertaining to seamanship). But I will agree with Cam and DH, AoM is useful for many other reasons. Like the other two stated, the prestige classes (except for like four of them), spells (which most, if not all, should have been reprinted in WotL like the feats did), feats, a some of the geographical data (with a large majority being useless, however
). Really only one of the characters was even around in the 4th Age, and that is Dalamar (my personal opinion is that Linsha Majere belongs in the AoM, and Dalamar belongs in the DLCS, but that is me).Anyway, you don't want to drop $40 for a book you will scarcely use, and I understand that fully. Honestly, I don't really see a solution to your plight. If I could send you the stats, I would.
Anyway, I can see exactly where you are coming from. I would much rather have had the mariner in the DLCS, or even not exist at all (it really just is a rogue with a scant few abilities pertaining to seamanship).
It's really supposed to be in the same sort of group of classes as the ranger and rogue, somewhere in between the two. I'd probably give the class fighter BAB progression and tweak it a little more, if I were to revise it. Keep in mind, also, that often these classes aren't all thought up at once. Nobody had the master in mind when the DLCS was written. I was asked to come up with a non-spellcasting bard for the War of the Lance era, and instead turned it into the class that made it into the WOTL sourcebook.
All things considered, though, with the noble, mystic, master and mariner, I think Dragonlance has all the base classes it could need. The absolute last possible option is a knight class (distinct from the fighter), though there are plenty of 3.5-ready cavalier and knight base class conversions around if that should be seen as necessary.
Cheers,
Cam